Apparently there’s an issue with some instances banning users for criticizing authoritarian governments. Is lemmy.world a safe place to criticize governments?
Well let’s find out: Free Ukraine! Fuck Russia. Fuck China!
Are you still with us now?
I think Winnie the Pooh got him.
Mao Zedong is objectively one of the worst people in all of human history, and his influence held China back for decades, and continues to harm it to this day.
You know, I agree that he shouldn’t have collaborated with America’s foreign policy following the sino-soviet split, but I don’t think that even puts him as a major candidate in the running.
Edit: He also really should have given the sparrow thing a test run, and there are other criticisms to make, but these are still lesser than the original one. There was bad theory and bad practice in the Cultural Revolution, but overwhelmingly its biggest problem was endangering the revolution that Mao led to establish the PRC in the first place, something for which he deserves credit on account of poverty reduction, drastic increase in life expectancy, land-redistribution, etc. Oh yeah, and the whole “opposing Japanese and British colonialism” thing, since the KMT rolled over for that, but hopefully that goes without saying.
It seems like you’ve left out the part where multiple tens of millions of people died as a result of his policies.
i mean lemmy.world server is in germany, but the guy who runs it is dutch so probably has a pretty open policy with freedom of speech i would imagine. And i mean real freedom of speech not the dog whistle for being a dick/racist/phobe
As one of the Admins of Lemmy.World we’re pretty open but if you’re a dick and unnecessarily a troll we’ll kick ya.
Does that mean that you find everything in this thread that hasn’t yet been removed to fall within those bounds? (excluding very new stuff that you might not have gotten to)
My thought process is that if you’re overtly rude and crude and lump one type of people into one group indiscriminately that’s not free speech. Also this is not the US government or run by the US government. So Free Speech doesn’t necessarily apply.
I’m the first one to say that an uncritical and crassly-applied “free speech” ideology is deleterious, but it’s the First Amendment that doesn’t apply, not the concept of Free Speech itself. Under the Constitution, you are free not to apply the concept of Free Speech yourself since the First Amendment doesn’t apply to your moderation, but that does not answer the question of whether you should or not.
Of course, my answer is that some speech is worth protecting and some is not and questions of natural rights have nothing to do with that, so the chauvinistic redditors posting social credit score memes that were tired years ago and thoroughly debunked don’t need a platform, but that’s just my take on the matter.
Oh yeah, and the “orc” meme is clearly racist, but that’s why I worded my original question the way I did.
Thank you for your time and have a good day.
I still feel like I need a new term for this. Yet another word co-opted by idiots.
you continue to use freedom of speech and dont give them the satisfaction of coopting it
Doesn’t Germany have laws against certain hate speech? Would those laws apply to lemmy.world and it’s hosted content?
[IANAL] In Germany only specific types of hate speech are criminal. These are:
- Use of Nazi symbols and slogans for other than artistic or educational purposes (things like the Swastika, the SS logo, or the Nazi salute, but not more modern versions like the “white power” guesture and similar)
- Direct calls for violence against groups or individuals
- Denying that the Holocaust happened or trivializing it’s extend
Other forms of hate speech might be cause for civil suits or may oblige the platform provider to remove your speech, but do not rise to a criminal offence.
Again: I am not a lawyer.
why was this removed?
Lots of racism in this thread
All governments should be able to be criticized if we’re going to be honest about having genuinely open discussions.
You can actually use https://lemmymap.feddit.de/ to get an idea of how free a particular lemmy instance is thanks to the option to show blocks. Lemmy.world seems to be the only large instance that has not been blocked by or blocked any other instances
I like China :)
Indeed, many Chinese people are very nice. Interesting language, culture, and cuisine.
But fuck the CCP.
I love China, and have a generally positive opinion about their government. I’d say 70% positive and the other 30% is because I hate oppression and censorship.
Edit: Deng was the GOAT
I have friends from China who are very good humans.
Very normal thing to say.
I just hope people do not spam it to farm karma like on reddit.
It’s already too late for that. Without assessing why it happened on Reddit and how it should be stopped, there is no reason to believe it would not be reproduced here. It was not assessed, let alone stopped, and thereby has been reproduced.
I mean what was lemmy supposed to do? It already removed karma. People just like approval and attention
I was always under the assumption it was some weird alt right thing where they just pretend criticism of China gets censored.
It’s funny how anticommunists and rightists seem to overlap so much, even when the anticommunist claims to be progressive.
Fuck the CCP.
Slightly tangential question, is lemmy.ml a Marxist/Leninist instance? I had seen some users insinuate that but I have no fucking clue if they were just saying shit.
No, it’s run by the devs but there’s no preferential treatment for communists, anarchists, or liberals.
Thanks. I had a feeling someone was talking out of their ass, but I didn’t have a way to confirm.
A lot of those insinuations come from neoliberals who are mad that neoliberalism isn’t given privileged treatment there like it is on Reddit.
Lemmy.World and Lemmy. Ml are two different places. Lemmy ML was created as a safehaven for people from subreddits that were banned like ChapoTrapHouse. Lemmy. World is designed to be the general Lemmy Community. Lemmy. Ml was the biggest until the reddit issues but I am pretty sure Lemmy World is after overtaking them. Lemmy.ML is trying to steer traffic here because they know that their community wasn’t going to be palatable to the vast majority of people. There’s a wide variety here so it’s very hard to pinpoint where this place’s userbase stands politically.
Lemmy. ML and Lemmy.world are different places and it’s for the best if we just leave each be and have our own communities in peace.
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Probably not,
.mlis free (provided by the same registrar as.tk) on a year-by-year basis and was much more popular around the time lemmy started.could also be Markup Language
Keep it in the politics subs.
But I hope there is less censorship, it was a shame that lemmy.ml removed this well-sourced comment (and banned the user) -
Wow, that’s insane. How is the discourse going to be going forward if high effort replies like that one get removed and gets the user banned
You couldn’t have cherry-picked a more inflammatory comment to defend. Truly such a shame that people who misrepresent data for the sake of their anti-trans stances have their obvious rage-bait posts removed.
How is writing a high-effort long comment explaining one’s viewpoints, with sources to back up the opinion-- ragebait? Ragebait is low-effort content that only seeks to troll.
misrepresent data
You gotta admit, that it’s way too much effort to troll?
He could’ve said something simple, and it would’ve received the same reaction.
It’s difficult for people to have discussions on the internet that involve disagreement without it becoming uncivilized. I don’t think being critical of the CCP is a particularly divisive viewpoint everywhere outside of China. I can’t imagine the conversation devolving to such a state that it has to be completely banned from being discussed.
What do you suppose Cubans think of China?
banning users for criticizing authoritarian governments
Please stop trying to smear other instances and their operators with these lies, leave the behavior that contributed to ruining Reddit there or just go back if you insist on doing it.
They were banned for orientalism which breaks rule 1 of the instance as explained here, there’s plenty of criticism of China on lemmy.ml that you can find on c/politics and c/worldnews
