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Banning Joost Klein was when I dropped eurovision already, what a ****show. They ban an artist for nothing, but they don’t ban Israel… Okay… ???
eurovision needs to go away. its just naked nationalism, and supporting war crimes should be a stake in its heart. Israel is not even close to being in Europe.
When we were watching it on BBC there was clearly something going on, but everything you heard was cheers. There were patches when it was very quiet and it just sounded different. When it ended Graham Norton said “I don’t know what you’re hearing at home but the reaction in the hall is very mixed”.
The BBC loves editing footage.
I mean, it’s the EBU/Switzerland’s broadcast isn’t it? Not that the BBC doesn’t do its fair share of nonsense.
I dunno, and I don’t think it would stop the BBC fucking with it, but I don’t know what I’m on about at the best of times.
Good on him for making that comment
Random claps in the Israeli song was hella out of place.
Also, the crowd chanting “Austria” was not edited on the official stream.
They had to mute the booing but they “win” televote. Mossad have been busy tonight.
They were the head sponsor with ‘morrocan’ oil, which is a Israeli company.
Also, “voting” in Eurovision is nothing more than maxing out a credit card. A vote doesn’t represent a person but the amount of money they are willing to spend on their “non political” song festival.
Israel was also buying advertisements for people to vote for Israel despite it being illegal to do so.
Wow, that just makes the most recent Doctor Who episode all the more poignant
As a non-whovian , could you summarize it?
Some song contest (Eurovision) had gotten so big it was a galactic event. The sponsoring company had invaded one of the planets, stolen their resources (a honey flavored flower) to make a what I think was a cereal, then set fire to the planet to destroy the farms so no one else could get access to the resource.
The singing competition then banned residents of the planet from entering the competition so they didn’t have a galactic stage to speak about the sponsors shitty actions.
So it has nothing to do with an occupying invader burning down centuries-old olive trees in between bombing breaks. /s
Username checks out. Guy knows his space produce.
Thnx!
Sounds like Doctor Who had some very direct inspiration.
It doesn’t need any organisation; there are plenty of right wing apologists and zealots who are motivated enough to vote. People can’t really vote “against” Israel so it’d be very easy to distort the vote if even a minority of people are focused enough to vote for one country. Israel’s song wasn’t terrible but it was pretty bland ballad and the televote result was patently ludicrous. But also none of the other songs were that great this year which would make it even easier for a concerted effort to win the televote.
Extreme example in the other direction is when Ukraine won in 2022. The song wasn’t particularly good but Europe coalesced around voting for Ukraine. Even the Jury voting that year was distorted in Ukraine’s favour. It didn’t need any organisation.
Yup. Generally big fans of eurovision spread out their votes between their a couple of their favorite songs. Normal viewers give maybe one vote only. Zealots put the max 20 votes on israel from the moment the voting is opened and don’t even look at the show.
Last year, you could not hear boos when Israel entered, but you heard some between the time the Greek flag (which is the same colours) was seen and Greece was announced, which seemed telling.
This is last year. There are claims that they did it again this year.
Not claims, they confirmed it themselves.
Europe is just America 5 years behind
I disagree. They’re more educated in Europe on average. That’s the key ingredient to our vulnerability in the US.
The Weimar Republic was the most educated place in the world before WWII. Education certainly can help but its not a panacea.
This is by design. Carlin
Damn he was right. I miss him.
He is the primary reason why I keep listening to comedians of all kinds regardless of criticism.
I clearly recall my fairly conservative father sneering at a Carlin interview in the late 80s, and twenty-odd years later watching a clip reel and marveling at how many things he said that were borne out.
He’s a big reason why I can’t be mad at comedians - even if I disagree with them - because there is truth in comedy that you sometimes cannot hear amidst the noise of conventional wisdom or cultural trends.
There are few absolutes, so I hold my truths lightly and question them often
Yeah. I mean the US was founded by religious extremists who fled Europe, so of course it’s the same.
Religious extremists that knew religion has no place in government.
I believe @Dojan was referencing the Puritans, not the founding fathers.
the US was founded by religious extremists
I’ll disagree
“In God We Trust” - the United States motto, written on its currency.
You won’t find that shit in Euro notes.
You’ve been had my friend, given the run around, fed a line of bullshit, treated like a patsy.
To be fair, that didn’t become the motto until the 1950s, and (I had to Google this) it wasn’t on any currency until almost a hundred years after the revolution. The founding fathers, for all their flaws, were pretty adamant about keeping the church separate from the state, most of them being either deists, naturalists, or atheists.
Guess it all got subverted in the meanwhile with Religion and Politics becoming increasingly mixed.
Europe, on the other hand, has being going in the opposite direction of that, especially since the mid XX century.
The point being that it’s not Europe that mixes Politics with Religion anymore (well, mainly, there is still some of that shit in some places), it’s the US.
That it goes against the spirit with which the American Founding Fathers founded the country should add insult to injury to any American who thinks State should be separate from Church.
Society doesn’t only improve.
There’s advances and setbacks.
As a Finn I’m very worried about this complacency about authoritarianism. We Finns don’t have “In God We Trust” on our money, no, but it might as well say “In Bureaucracy We Trust”.
I genuinely respect those first amendment auditors. Like a third I see are prolly a bit too douchey, but that’s their right.
What’s the quote again?
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.
— G. Michael Hopf, Those Who Remain (The New World #7)
I think exactly the same and I live in Portugal, pretty much the opposite side of Europe.
There’s a roughly 100 years cycle (I call it a super-cycle) in human societies and there are lots of writtings and sayings that very much match it (so for example there’s also one about wealth in families and how the first generation builds it, the second consolidates it and the third spends it) and we’ve been entering the shit part of that cycle for over a decade.
I was working in Investment Banking in the 2008 Crash, in the only large Investment Bank that went bankrupt in it - Lehman Brothers - no less, and what I saw happen first hand, my subsequent attempt at making sense of all of that (not the personal experience, but the whole worldwide Economic Crash) and how the various Governments reacted (mainly who they chose to save and who they chose to make pay for it) was a massive wake up call for me.
I really, really hope this time around we don’t end up with Fascism and War all over the place.
Heard you guys in Finland pivoted leftwards in the the last elections, so you might be ahead of the trend and avoid the worst of this shit (though Russia next door is probably worrisome).
Here we just had elections yesterday, the Fascists just got 22.5% of the votes and the rightwing won almost 60% of the votes, so my fear that this country is fucked hasn’t been assuaged.
