Stepping back to an objective human suffering standpoint, the Trump admin is dismantling environmental protections that would soften the coming climate-collapse holocaust. We’ve whiplashed back 80+ years and lost decades of institutional knowledge; even physical infrastructure in NASA’s case.
This is an issue that objectively has only progressed through D efforts and been defended even through R administrations. Millions of people will needlessly die, particularly those oppressed in the global south, from the actions of this admin. But Genocide Joe was an unpalatable humanitarian choice?
There’s no rationality to their stance, they just base their politics on visceral emotional reactions. It’s the exact same blind moral purity as pro-birthers and they deserve the same derision.
“Neither was good, so I refuse to participate and willfully allow the worst to happen. Now I get to feel morally superior to those who took action against the worst because the alternative was flawed.” Fuck all the way off you absolute asshat. What was and is happening in Gaza is a fucking atrocity. And your lack of vote not only didn’t fix a goddamned thing, if anything, it only made it worse and also allowed a myriad of other atrocities happening now and more soon to come. You are a joke and a moron.
I have no illusions that American politicians of all parties have actively or complicity committed terrible crimes against other nations. In no way shape or form do I support any of it. But I also live in this country in an area that would never vote me into office of any kind, and so short of a massive paradigm shift or revolution, the most influence I can have on the future of this country is by voting and encouraging others to do the same. And like it or not, sometimes that means voting for the lesser of two evils. If that makes me evil too in your mind, then you can go fuck yourself. I’m doing the best I can. And anyone that can’t also do that bare minimum can fuck themselves too.
It’s a great analogy because I had no say in either case.
The choice was of either Tump or Biden/Biden 2.0 (Kamala) in the last two elections. Choosing to vote for nether is just not participating in the election and giving up your ability to influence the outcome. If only one were to support Isreal’s genocide, voting for them makes you complicit in that. If both support Isreal’s genocide, then there IS NO CHOICE THERE.
Are you under the delusion that Trump would have Isreal do anything different? That he won’t do shit exactly like that himself if he decides it would benefit him to do so? That he won’t empower more despots and dictators, arm them, back them, and lead to more mass death of innocents. I mean worse FOR EVERYONE, dick.
Political issues refer to matters that are of public concern and involve conflicting viewpoints within a society, often requiring governmental action or public policy to address them
Trying to pretend it’s something sacrosanct and beyond politics is what makes a single issue voter.
Ah yes the genocide in gaza legal murder of babies is an “issue”. A slight inconvenience really
That’s you.
If you actually cared about the lives of people in the middle east you should be just as outraged over Trump unilaterally bombing a sovereign state, direct military action that wouldn’t have happened with the Democratic candidates.
Or, as I pointed out, the deliberate climate destruction that will literally boil more people alive with wet bulb events.
Damn why so mad, my candidate didn’t bomb those people when given the exact same chance. Or are we back to campaigning against hypotheticals instead of reality?
Ok, here I am demanding it. Now what? Continue to be lambasted by the left for also making the only sane decision in a two box election? How am I going to demand anything now when ICE/National Guard are enforcing curfews to suppress any political gatherings? Come on, tell me what magic wand to wave. You’ve clearly got the answers
Projected climate collapse deaths by 2050: 14.5 million, about 250k per year.
Gaza deaths to date: in the range of 80k-100k, hard ceiling of ~2 million.
What could be more sacrosanct than the one and only habitable planet we’ll ever get? Certainly not a piece of paper?
I live in a first world country with solid resource access, I can tell you for sure I won’t affected as much as the people being cooked to death in India. Why should I care about them?
It’s revealing that you weigh one favorite group of starving victims against the millions of others. Just because one is direct human cruelty and the other is direct and malicious social murder?
Don’t tell me you care about both equally, because that’s clearly not the vote you want to cast.
Yup. We had a chance to maybe turn the bus but no, we’re going right off the cliff, gunning the engine no less, thanks to people who would rather cling to a single issue instead of mitigate harm across the wider spectrum.
B: genocide in Gaza + maybe Ukraine + maybe losing democracy + rolling back environmental protections + enabling the best friend of a known pedophile child trafficker… Etc
C. B, but with a side of smug self satisfying moral high ground
Nah man, plenty of other people all over the world are harmed way more by the Trump administration. Take your head out of the sand if you’re going to pretend to actually give a shit about anything
Damn, in my hypothetical fantasy land Harris solved the crisis and fostered a perfect two state solution. I guess we’ll never know how it would play out now because we elected a fascist. “Couldn’t be worse” right?
It’s almost like the “deal” we’re weighing is way fucking bigger than one issue. I’m sure next election will have a plethora of progressive candidates and some nice friendly brown-shirt poll watchers cheering us on (we sure taught the dems a lesson right 😎 (don’t worry Gaza, help is on the way, just a slight detour through CECOT))
So is being rounded up in unmarked vans for even speaking out about the genocide that your president is still enabling. Protesting the blue candidate didn’t just not change anything, it actively made everything worse
God bless single issue voters.
Stepping back to an objective human suffering standpoint, the Trump admin is dismantling environmental protections that would soften the coming climate-collapse holocaust. We’ve whiplashed back 80+ years and lost decades of institutional knowledge; even physical infrastructure in NASA’s case.
This is an issue that objectively has only progressed through D efforts and been defended even through R administrations. Millions of people will needlessly die, particularly those oppressed in the global south, from the actions of this admin. But Genocide Joe was an unpalatable humanitarian choice?
There’s no rationality to their stance, they just base their politics on visceral emotional reactions. It’s the exact same blind moral purity as pro-birthers and they deserve the same derision.
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“Neither was good, so I refuse to participate and willfully allow the worst to happen. Now I get to feel morally superior to those who took action against the worst because the alternative was flawed.” Fuck all the way off you absolute asshat. What was and is happening in Gaza is a fucking atrocity. And your lack of vote not only didn’t fix a goddamned thing, if anything, it only made it worse and also allowed a myriad of other atrocities happening now and more soon to come. You are a joke and a moron.
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I have no illusions that American politicians of all parties have actively or complicity committed terrible crimes against other nations. In no way shape or form do I support any of it. But I also live in this country in an area that would never vote me into office of any kind, and so short of a massive paradigm shift or revolution, the most influence I can have on the future of this country is by voting and encouraging others to do the same. And like it or not, sometimes that means voting for the lesser of two evils. If that makes me evil too in your mind, then you can go fuck yourself. I’m doing the best I can. And anyone that can’t also do that bare minimum can fuck themselves too.
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“You claim to hate genocide, and yet you voted for Biden/Trump.”
“You claim to hate capitalism, and yet you own a smartphone”
Same energy and level of thought, dude.
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It’s a great analogy because I had no say in either case.
The choice was of either Tump or Biden/Biden 2.0 (Kamala) in the last two elections. Choosing to vote for nether is just not participating in the election and giving up your ability to influence the outcome. If only one were to support Isreal’s genocide, voting for them makes you complicit in that. If both support Isreal’s genocide, then there IS NO CHOICE THERE.
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Are you under the delusion that Trump would have Isreal do anything different? That he won’t do shit exactly like that himself if he decides it would benefit him to do so? That he won’t empower more despots and dictators, arm them, back them, and lead to more mass death of innocents. I mean worse FOR EVERYONE, dick.
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Right on cue. And yes it’s a political issue, it pretty snugly fits the common definition.
Trying to pretend it’s something sacrosanct and beyond politics is what makes a single issue voter.
That’s you.
If you actually cared about the lives of people in the middle east you should be just as outraged over Trump unilaterally bombing a sovereign state, direct military action that wouldn’t have happened with the Democratic candidates.
Or, as I pointed out, the deliberate climate destruction that will literally boil more people alive with wet bulb events.
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Damn why so mad, my candidate didn’t bomb those people when given the exact same chance. Or are we back to campaigning against hypotheticals instead of reality?
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Okie dokie, still didn’t bomb Iran
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Ok, here I am demanding it. Now what? Continue to be lambasted by the left for also making the only sane decision in a two box election? How am I going to demand anything now when ICE/National Guard are enforcing curfews to suppress any political gatherings? Come on, tell me what magic wand to wave. You’ve clearly got the answers
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Projected climate collapse deaths by 2050: 14.5 million, about 250k per year.
Gaza deaths to date: in the range of 80k-100k, hard ceiling of ~2 million.
What could be more sacrosanct than the one and only habitable planet we’ll ever get? Certainly not a piece of paper?
I live in a first world country with solid resource access, I can tell you for sure I won’t affected as much as the people being cooked to death in India. Why should I care about them?
It’s revealing that you weigh one favorite group of starving victims against the millions of others. Just because one is direct human cruelty and the other is direct and malicious social murder?
Don’t tell me you care about both equally, because that’s clearly not the vote you want to cast.
Yup. We had a chance to maybe turn the bus but no, we’re going right off the cliff, gunning the engine no less, thanks to people who would rather cling to a single issue instead of mitigate harm across the wider spectrum.
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Voting options were not:
A. Genocide
B. No genocide
They were: A. Genocide in Gaza
B: genocide in Gaza + maybe Ukraine + maybe losing democracy + rolling back environmental protections + enabling the best friend of a known pedophile child trafficker… Etc
C. B, but with a side of smug self satisfying moral high ground
You are not more moral for choosing C.
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Oh really? Which candidate on the ballot in 2024 who had that platform? None? Well I guess I’ll opt for the one that’s at least 1 for 2.
The conversation was always about harm reduction, but keep imagining that one policy is the only thing that matters.
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Nah man, plenty of other people all over the world are harmed way more by the Trump administration. Take your head out of the sand if you’re going to pretend to actually give a shit about anything
You can’t be a pedant and also be bad at it. You just sound like an idiot.
Oh wait, you think somehow that allowing the Trump regime to take power was the optimal play. Let me correct myself. You are an idiot.
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Damn, in my hypothetical fantasy land Harris solved the crisis and fostered a perfect two state solution. I guess we’ll never know how it would play out now because we elected a fascist. “Couldn’t be worse” right?
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It’s almost like the “deal” we’re weighing is way fucking bigger than one issue. I’m sure next election will have a plethora of progressive candidates and some nice friendly brown-shirt poll watchers cheering us on (we sure taught the dems a lesson right 😎 (don’t worry Gaza, help is on the way, just a slight detour through CECOT))
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So is being rounded up in unmarked vans for even speaking out about the genocide that your president is still enabling. Protesting the blue candidate didn’t just not change anything, it actively made everything worse
Is that too complex of a thought for you?
lol.
“Tell me again how voting for genocide was unavoidable?”
You need me to explain how the American election system works?
Why don’t you grow up?