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I know how to handle firearms and I’m somewhat able to hit a target. But oh my god do I not want to use any, for anything.
ideally, you won’t have to. Just living within a gun positive culture is pretty preventative of the bad things that could be directly done to you. otherwise, make a range buddy?
Just living within a gun positive culture is pretty preventative of the bad things that could be directly done to you.
Ha. I know this is the wrong community to laugh at this, but honestly it’s hilarious.
It takes more than just being “Yeah guns!” to avoid violence between people. It takes a society where people don’t take each other for granted.
Fear is a terrible demotivator for people looking to cause damage. At best they’ll be looking for ways to cause damage before you’d notice, before you’d ever be able to pull a gun.
I’ll play devil’s advocate here a bit, but living in a culture where guns are a constant does put limits on a lot of activity. It’s also 100% true to say that people looking to cause damage will do so regardless of repercussions and often in spite of them. In most ways I agree that gun reduction overall has a greater reduction in harm than gun availability. That said, when living in a society where anyone and everyone can have a gun it definitely impacts some of the decisions you make.
I see youtube videos about people freaking out in traffic and getting out of their car to fight and my first thought is that they have no idea if the driver has a gun. The danger of gun culture for most people in that culture isn’t a random shooting at a school or mall, even if that’s what gets the news. The real danger of gun culture is getting into a minor argument or misunderstanding and someone shoots you for little to no reason. It doesn’t matter if they are going to go to jail for wrongful manslaughter or murder if you’re already dead.
When you live in gun crazy society it for sure cranks down a certain amount of behavior amongst normal people. The problem inherent to this is that there are stupid people with guns who for some reason don’t think other people have them and engage in confrontations as if that’s the case.
It takes more than just being “Yeah guns!” to avoid violence between people. It takes a society where people don’t take each other for granted.
I usually really hate quote texting people but I just want to point how real this is. Yes, you’re correct. It needs both. Valuing both is what makes us leftist gun owners.
As for the rest, I think the other guy who replied to you explained it way better than I can.
I’m in Germany, I’ll only need to use one if Vlad decides to come over.
that’s a good problem to have. it seems you guys have built your society right without all the insanity we’re dealing with in the US right now. take care of yourselves and eachother 👍
Just living within a gun positive culture
Ah, yes. I’ve heard that Vibes-Based gun ownership is 50% more effective than Regular gun ownership.
your entire existence is predicated by vibes and pretending it’s not shows just how unengaged with society you are. if you’d like to educate yourself, the entire history of the Black Panther movement is right there. there are places in America right now that ICE will not raid because of the viBeS indicating that they will be shot if they try.
I know I can’t force you to use your brain but I’m sincerely inviting you to at least check yourself for a pulse.
your entire existence is predicated by vibes
Take that, materialists.
I know I can’t force you to use your brain
🙄
okay that was rude of me. I should have just let it be. have a good rest of your night
I’m 100% on board with you, but do you have you be so rude in your response to the weevil? They’re a genuinely interesting, generally nice person, at least in my experience.
Better to have and not use than need and not have.
Can’t do it, my brain is bad
It takes a lot to realize that and exercise that restraint. You’re a good egg. With that being said, a paintball gun would have a low chance of self-harm, but they make coyote urine balls that smell terrible on impact. Just saying.
And pepper balls, and jawbreakers.
I’ll just point out that showing up to a hypothetical gun battle with only paint (or even pepper balls) is a bad idea. Cops and other criminals will undoubtedly act as if you’re holding a firearm anyway, even though you aren’t, and their guns can do unto you while you can’t do unto them. Tread wisely.
Surprised this group hasn’t been mentioned. I have known, and been friends with, several members.
Yup, I’m a lifelong filthy anti-gun liberal.
Can’t be anymore.
It’s time to get armed. Wish it wasn’t, but the writing is on the wall. If Americans want to go on blowing each other’s heads off and having endless school shootings, well, that’s better than living under fascism, which is here, now.
Gonna be a lot harder for them to do what they want if we’re all packing.
Are there any resources for getting started?
I don’t like reddit anymore, but there’s /r/liberalgunowners. I’d suggest taking a safety course, then renting (edit: multiple firearms) at the range, and then buying what you think you need/ like.
Edit: Guy bellow me is also right.
Edit edit: I forgot about this part. You should prepare yourself to spend the amount of money needed to buy an older, used car. It depends on the state, but that was my experience. Around 4k with EVERYTHING involved.
$4k?? No fuckin way lol. You can buy a glock or even an AR for under $500 right now. 500 rounds of 9mm for the glock is $150 or 1000 rounds of .556 is $450. $50 for a couple hours at the range with a friend that can show you the ropes.
Seconded on the safety course. Ask all your questions then, too.
It’s worth mentioning that you should try out a few options before going with the first gun you try. My spread went down by half in a day just by finding the one that fit my hand right.
And lastly, stay in practice. Like anything, if you don’t do it for a while, your skill will plummet. The last thing you want do is try to remember the fundamentals in a life or death situation.
I suggest you watch these 3 videos in sequence and in full (assuming you have the attention-span for it):
guns part 1 (technicalities)
guns part 2 (failed laws)
guns part 3 (possible solutions)
especially if you’re non-US.Knew it was Beau before I even clicked on it. Great little video series he did back then!
“Only 3 kinds of people in the world: pro-gun, anti-gun and those who actually know how firearms work.”
I miss that man. His wife is doing a great job though.
She doesn’t do it for me the way Beau did! She’s not bad, she just has a different way of delivering things that I don’t enjoy as much.
She’s clearly reading a script, whereas he seemed to be talking without one.
This is one of the more surprising reversals in leftist opinion over the last ten years.
It’s always been the case that if you go left far enough you get your guns back.
I absolutely believe that giving guns to everybody is a really dumb idea. But if I was living in the present day US, I’d start stocking up on guns and ammo and practice shooting.
If it comes to the point when you need to use a gun to defend yourself, you’ve already lost. None of the existential threats to a person in US, existing or future, can be solved by shooting at it. You can make a lot of things whole lot worse by introducing armed conflict to it, but nothing can be made better by it. If I was a conspiratorial type, I would say that making the left gun-happy is a psyop by fascists, because there is very little things is as dangerous to a healthy society as the ubiquity of guns, and fasch can’t thrive in a healthy society.
If it comes to the point when you need to use a gun to defend yourself, you’ve already lost.
Did you miss the bit where people are being ICEd?
They’ve already lost.And shooting at ICE will make things substantially, distopially worse. It will either bring the true fascist regime of which this one is a pale shadow, or a civil war, and a civil war is basically an end of at least two generations, even if “good guys” win. However bad a life of a regular person is in the US right now, and it is bad for a lot of people, I can absolutely assure you, it’s nothing compared to life of a person in a country where civil war is happening. Or full blown authoritarianism for that matter.
This country is already lost.
Not a single person in a position of power is willing to dethrone the oligarchs, it will only be done through violence.
Either these are the tools that will change things, or the tools that will tak out as many of the enemy as possible before they kill you.
I mean, it’s not exactly a new opinion. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers should be frustrated, by force if necessary
it’s just quite shocking to me as a Canadian. But I can see the logic behind it.
There is none. It’s just people who would never do anything in real life acting tough on the internet.
^ Prime example right there.
I’m yet to hear someone defend themselves successfully with a semi-automatic against ICE.
Eh… I’m sticking with blades, Molotovs if I need to go there
While you were at the range, I was studying the blade.
Yeah armed resistance is working out great in Gaza, right?
Most times armed resistance movements are just about giving power to violent leaders. And those violent leaders of resistance movements go on to become oppressors if they ever gain power.
Everyone is in some way part of a minority. So should everyone have a firearm?
Yeah
Hell yeah
Genuine question, how exactly do you picture this playing out? Let’s say you are a homosexual married person in the US, and the right for gay marriage is overturned. Now what? How is a gun going to help you? When someone tells you “actually you’re not married anymore” just shoot them? What is the plan here?
You’re sincerely confused? It’s clear you have no background in anything military or perhaps even psychology. It’s power-projection. You’ve become so conditioned to believe that power-projection is only used as a tool of oppression that you’re overlooking the fact that it’s better to point guns than it is to face guns, and it’s certainly worse to face guns without one to point back. Would you rather cede power to those who desire it than support empowering those who would wield it to protect your right to exists? You want to exist in an ideal world? Be willing to fight for it – the ones who wish to oppress others are certainly willing to use violence to achieve their means. Once you’ve claimed victory over violent oppression, then you can set the guns aside and build a society around the flimsy concept of a disarmed society. Guns are still tools and have uses outside of violence, but that’s outside the scope of the point I’m making.
PSA: WHEN YOUR LIFE IS THREATENED BY MASKED THUGS, PLEASE DO NOT RESIST. JUST DO WHAT THEY SAY AND QUIETLY DISAPPEAR. DO NOT MAKE THE FASCISTS KNOW FEAR. REMAIN HARMLESS.
I DO NOT WISH TO SEE ANYTHING THAT THREATENS MY COMFORT OR PRIVILEGE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION ON THIS MATTER.
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*paid for by the military industrial complex – commercial consumer division
It is physically painful to watch the American Consumer sold on yet one more retail panacea for a structural social problem.
“Oh, fascist government has you worried? Consider Amazon-brand AR-15s! Walmart is fully stocked with punji sticks and shovels! I think I can get a claymore mine off Temu (shop like a paranoid billionaire)!”
Jokes on you, Amazon sold their AR-15 division to Ruger last month, and Walmart only has 80% punji sticks (gotta sharpen them yourself) but they do have shovels yes. And you can indeed get a claymore on Temu.
(Sidenote, 100% I’m buying one of those claymores for my desk, thanks for making me search it for the lolz.)
You can just 3d print them. It doesn’t have to be retail. Also btw, this attitude is what got us into this position.
America has more guns than people.
Yeah so you can probably save by buying a used one too.
Capitalists will sell us the ropes etc etc. Consuming guns is absolutely not “the answer”, but being armed, willing and able definitely is.
being armed,
willingorganized and able definitely isShow me the left-wing militia and I’ll be a bit more excited about left-wing gun ownership.
But ten-thousand monkeys with AR-15s does not a leftist movement make.
Organizing a left wing militia is a fast track to the grave. Under our current conditions, we can have leftist organizing, and we can have armed leftists, but explicitly organizing a leftist paramilitary force is going to be very difficult. Even orgs like the SRA are very cautious to not be perceived as such. That doesn’t mean there isn’t value in training leftists in basic firearms proficiency.
Organizing a left wing militia is a fast track to the grave.
Then there’s no point in owning a gun. You don’t have comrades. You aren’t operating under any kind of command structure. You don’t have a support network behind you. You don’t even know who to point your damned gun at.
That doesn’t mean there isn’t value in training leftists in basic firearms proficiency.
Training them through what organ? We just ruled out any kind of leftist armed organizing.
If that’s how you see it, that’s how you see it. I mentioned the SRA-- they are an “organ” that is training leftists in basic firearms proficiency. They aren’t going to give any “tactical” training under any official banner though. Leftists can get that training just like anyone else, by paying some CHUD if they want to. There are also a lot of anarchists out there who organize (less formally) firearms trainings. I know because I have participated in some. My attitude is that if ever a time should come where you find yourself needing to hold a gun, it will be a lot better if it isn’t your first time.
I don’t think you’re supposed to eat them
Finally, some DEI
Nope, I’m a lifelong anti-gun authoritarian.
Good people will hesitate to shoot, an armed society just puts the worst group in charge because they don’t care about killing.
Did you just call yourself an authoritarian?
Yeah, opposite a liberal. I was satirizing the other comment.
Then you are giving a complete monopoly of force to the Government, who are the ones in charge and don’t care about killing. You surrender all ability to protect yourself for the hope that those in power both want to and are able to protect you.
The Black Panther Party would “politely” disagree with you. While armed to the teeth.
Tw’ain’t no white racists trying to pick on black people when the Panthers were around.
Edit: Oh yeah, and J. Edgar Hoover labelled this group as a national security threat, so it has that going for it as well.
Your edit seems to contradict your comment, the most violent group did get rid of them
And do you suppose that their extermination was hastened or hindered by the fact that members were armed?
Hastened, Al Sharpton is still running around as an example of non-armed activism.
