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Maybe he has a personal interest in this?
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The amendment would also reduce the designation of incest by contact to a Class D felony for some cases “unless it is committed with a person who is less than twelve years of age,” in which case it is Class C.
uhhhhhhhhhhh…. that age cutoff seems low
Not if the child he has his eye set on is just above it. :-(
She’s 10, laws take time to enact…
These people are horrid.
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Hey Nick Wilson, tell us you fuck your cousin without telling us you fuck your cousin.
The amendment would also reduce the designation of incest by contact to a Class D felony for some cases “unless it is committed with a person who is less than twelve years of age,” in which case it is Class C.
his 13 year-old cousin, it seems
Less than 12 … so basically she’s 12.
No, she will be 12 just before the law takes effect.
I mean… Who hasn’t had a hot cousin when you go to those really big family reunions…
Most people just legislate to try to rape em.
Glad they are tackling the important issues in Kentucky. I’m sure every Kentuckyan has their ability to fuck their first cousin high on the list of problems they wish their government would address.
“At 17 you can marry your first cousin but you can’t have hormones that your doctor is happy to prescribe”-Kentucky
Actually I’m surprised that’s the youngest I could make that joke. They recently raised the minimum marriage age to 17 with parental consent which like took you long enough but still good job
It’s Kentucky, what else matters? lol
It’s stupidity guarantees it will be passed.
Christ on a bike I thought this was The Onion.
It should be, it should be for fucks sake, but this apparently is the timeline where it is not:-(.
I feel bad for them. Material is scant, what with Trump and Republicans fucking up reality.
Same. It would be a struggle to write a fake headline about the republican party.
So… the same party that wants to stop same sex couples from having sex is upset that the government is telling them whom they can’t have sex with? Golly.
So I do not endorse this guy or any GOP member in any way. But if you read the article he says dropping the first cousin from the list was an error of omission and not intentional, and he is re-filing the bill to include it. The intent of the bill was to expand the classification of incest beyond just intercourse to include any type of sexual contact. Which seems like its actually progressive, just not clickbait worthy.
I wouldn’t call that “progressive” but it’s not exactly libertarian freedom either. The actual law seems weirder than trying to deregulate cousin incest.
Not that I really feel strongly about it but I don’t see the state interest in specifically banning cousin blowjobs. Seems like one of those things that should be in the dustbin of overtightened sexual restrictions like sodomy laws.
I’ve seen some compelling arguments for decriminalizing incest. Basically rape is already illegal [citation needed], the genetic risk is pretty small for the average person, and ultimately regulating what weird stuff consenting adults might choose to do in the bedroom is generally not a good thing. There is of course the problem of social/power dynamics and how that might play into consent but that’s another issue not exclusive to incest.
By progressive I mean a step in the right direction for shit place like KY. Source: am from KY
you could argue that accidentally making cousin fucking legal, like accidentally making weed legal in minnesota (was that minnesota? I think so) is part of an ongoing issue where republicans don’t actually know what the laws they’re implementing do.
Jokes aside.
Felony by definition means it’s punishable by at least one year in prison.
So specifically, why are we incarcerating consenting adults for having sex?
From a moral point, don’t do that. From a legal point, stay out of the bedroom.
I’ll also add context of this is a very Western belief. Natives of America prevented inbreeding by not marrying within the clan. Your first cousins could be in a different clan and therefore open for marriage.
You say consenting adults, the bill says one of them can be as young as 13 years…
Yes, and I’ll counter that argument by suggesting we ban having sex with children regardless of if the molester is related.
Right? It’s only like 1.7 to 2.8% more of a chance of a birth defect. That’s nothing. That’s gambling odds easy. Every day.
It largely depends on how prevalent it is socially.
In societies where first cousin reproduction isn’t common, the increased risk of birth defects is about the same as a pregnancy where the mother is in her 40s.
In societies where it is common, the rates can go up sharply though when it compounds across generations.
Good point. Who cares about the lower rates, honestly? Its not like we’re the ones that have to live with the defect lol, keep blasting homies
I think the issue is twofold: if you allow a groomer (a real one, not a drag queen) to be around a child for their entire life, there will be an effect on what the child wants as an adult; and people have a lot of opportunities to blackmail family members.
Those things make it difficult to determine if the two consenting adults are both truly consenting. It’s the same logic behind banning polygamy- it’s very easy for people to become trapped in it because their entire social universe supports it, so if you say no, you’re excommunicated. There’s therefore no real way to know if you consented.
It’s the same reason cops can’t have sex with people they are holding under arrest. Oh wait…
Because of course that’s the top priority for Kentucky Republicans right now 🙄
I rock climb in Kentucky sometimes. It looks like a war zone. Maybe they should fix the astounding levels of poverty, instead of ensuring that it’s legal to bang your family.
Red River Gorge enjoyer?
Once in a while I grab a slice at Miguel’s and occasionally stick the dyno on June Bug
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Inbreeding breeds dumber people, who are more likely to end up in poverty.
That would make the population an ideal Republican electorate.
They are enacting these laws to personally benefit.
The whole family benefits!
That’s the look of a man the fucked his first cousin.
I like the way they think
Eh. I discovered that a married couple I know are first cousins, and have two very normal kids, so I looked into it.
From a genetics stand point, the risk of inbred related health risks are pretty negligible. I think it basically doubled the risk, on very small chances to begin with.
Yeah, it’s still kind of weird and rude to talk about.
As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, the age portion of this law is the creepy part. It was my own bias that made the first cousins part weird. As others mentioned, it was pretty common for our tribal ancestors.
It’s pretty common still in multiple countries and in some migrant subcultures living in other countries. The consequences over multiple generations are not pretty.
An article with examples: https://www.dw.com/en/pakistan-cousin-marriages-create-high-risk-of-genetic-disorders/a-60687452
Imo it’s still a bad idea to allow it. Even between first cousins of a family without a history of inbreeding, doubling the chance of genetic disorders is not nothing. Scale it up to many people doing it and it becomes a heavy burden on healthcare systems. And in countries with socialized healthcare, it’s not really fair that everyone has to contribute more to healthcare because some people want to defy genetics. Imo again.
OK. You’re talking about a culture that specifically encourages incest over many generations. Yes, that’s problematic.
My point is that the social stigma of 1st cousins marrying far exceeds its actual danger in a more isolated case by case basis. Which is really what we’re talking about here.
Also, your argument about Healthcare reeks of eugenics. Should someone with a known family history of <insert genetic disease> be allowed to reproduce? Or reproduce with someone else with similar genetic risks?
To put it another way, should my insurance fees / taxes subsidize your high risk of colon cancer?
Yeah, it sounds like an awful stance, doesn’t it?
Your children are the victims and should not be punished because you wanted to fuck your cousin, it’s you that should be paying extra taxes to offset the cost to society of your choices.
You’re spot on. The average risk of some genetic issue occurring in a standard pregnancy is about 3%, and the average risk between 3rd degree relatives, such as first cousins, is about 6%. I used to be a genetic counselor, and I’d seen a few first cousin cases, and even a case of double-first cousins, which was a higher risk, but still not as high as the much more run-of-the-mill scenario of a couple both being carriers of any given recessive genetic condition. People freak out about it because of the jokes about inbred families, but the much bigger issue with it is the power dynamic, especially concerning age. When you hear incest, you shouldn’t be worried about kids with 6 toes, you should be worried about rape.
I met a guy who was married to his cousin and I had to google it too and found out the same thing. A lot of states allow marriage, and not just southern states as the stereotype would suggest. Here’s the states that allow it: Alabama, California, Colorado, Connecticut, the District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New Mexico, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, and Vermont.
Maybe things that are ok in a small tribal village shouldn’t necessarily be in a larger interconnected modern civilization
“Discovered” and no source to your claims… I don’t think so, Rudy.
I looked it up over 5 years ago. It was extremely easy to find information. I encourage you to educate yourself on the matter too.
“I hate how everyone always stereotypes and makes fun of us southern states so much, it’s not fair.”
Then they go do shit like this.
to be ““fair”” i’m pretty sure most (first world) countries actually don’t restrict sex between first cousins. or same-sex incest for that matter. could be misremembering though
what is extremely sickening about it is the age the bill wants which makes it not at all comparable to most other countries (well except like France until recently maybe)
i mean it’s still pretty incestuous so trying to separate it from other forms of incest as if it’s so much different doesn’t make much sense
edit: here’s a map
lmao i like italy’s stance. “yea bro u can fuck ur dad if the news doesn’t find out”
siblings
dad
I think I see a pattern here…
I love that it’s blue.
^ This right here is why Lemmy > Reddit 😂
How is this important enough to occupy the time of our politicians?
I mean…look at that guy. It probably occupies all of his time. They intentionally picked that photo for this exact reason, I’m sure.
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He just looks like some guy. Not sure why so many people are commenting on his appearance, its childish and unnecessary.
What actually occupies that guys time, is the process of re-filing the bill to rectify the accidental omission of cousins.
It’s jangling keys. So long as there are enough headlines about cousins banging, we won’t have enough time left over to get upset about corruption, fascism, etc.
It’s not.
It’s probably a distraction. To what end, I don’t know.
