Just based on how often I notice someone mispronounce a word without realizing it (or have done so myself and realized it later). Statistically I’m probably still doing it with some word.
Welcome to the world of Irish names!
We got:
- Dearbhla (Derv-la, f)
- caoilfhionn (kee-lin, f)
- Meadhbh (Maeve, f)
- Saoirse (seer-shuh, f)
- Seoirse (shor-shuh, m)
- Caoimhín (kee-veen, m)
- Sadhbh (sive, f)
And many more!
We should re-do Romanization. Start over, sound it out, have a big Anglosphere conference to decide on what letters make what noise and stick to it.
Many of the slavic romanizations have largely centralised on strict roman phonetics. There are still exceptions, but many of them can be sounded out with a bit of learning.
Yeah. English doesn’t use the “bh” and “dh” digraphs the same way we use “th”, but Irish does. One you learn that, that’s like 80-90% of the confusion.
My Irish cousin-in-law recently had a daughter and named her Blathnaid. I was very surprised to learn it is pronounced Bla-nid
Hope do you pronounce Siobhan?
Shuh-vawn
My American accent pronounces it “Shove-on”.
There’s meant to be a fada over the a (á), so it’s definitely meant to be a longer vowel sound.
Take the name Sean for example. Spelled like that it’s actually pronounced shan, and means old. The name that we all pronounce as Shawn is actually spelled Seán
The name that we all pronounce as Shawn is actually spelled Seán
And, fun fact, is the Irish version of the Hebrew name Yohanan (יוֹחָנָן) from which we get John and Jean and Jehan and Johan and Shane and Juan and many other variants!
Everybody’s named John. All the way back. There is only one name, just lots of different spellings and pronunciations.
Mine was “daschund”. I always thought that was a separate breed from a “doxen”.
Even after being educated on how the word is actually pronounced, I still purposefully pronounce it literally “daschund”. Fuck 'em - should’ve spelled it better.
Daschund is pronounced like “daak’ snd” in case anyone else didn’t realize this. My mind is blown.
Daschund is pronounced like “daak’ snd” in case anyone else didn’t realize this. My mind is blown.
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It is spelled Dachshund (Dachs-Hund, German, lit. Badger-Dog, as the breed was created to hunt foxes and badgers in their burrows)
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It is pronounced Dax Hunt (good example by a native german speaker: https://youtu.be/6aveG0N6Jtc?si=mzCsfrVA95VJZggG )
Funnily enough though, in Germany they’re mostly called Dackel, not Dachshund!
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So swaive vs suave or deboner vs debonair? Maybe 'fisticated vs sophisticated? You could be a swaive, deboner, 'fisticated urbane 'burban urbanite.
Personally, I blame the French for the short comings of the English language, just because I randomly can.
“shortcomings”
Not exactly related to the question, but as a non-native English speaker, whenever I read something related to weights in imperial, e.g., 150 lbs, my mind reads it as 150 lubes.
I know it’s pounds, if I would read it out loud, I would say pounds cause I’m not a weirdo (well…). But still, my internal monologue has lbs = lubes
I feel you. My inner voice reads this as “libs”.
Elbs
Right? I’m a native English speaker (Aussie, so…loosely native English speaker) and my first exposure to “Lbs” was for the weight of Pokemon in the physical red Pokédex handbook, so I always just said they weighed “X labs”, still don’t immediately correct it in my head 25+ years later.
I love your brain
If anyone is wondering why this is abbreviation for it, it is because the full name for pound weight in latin is libra poundo. We use the libra part for the abbrievation into lbs but pounds for the actual common name.
I love your brain
I was the same except I said it as “ibs” was quite a while I was thinking that when I was younger. My internal monologue still says it this way anytime I read it even though I know now
I had a roommate in college that pronounced “epitome” like “epi-tohm.” He also pronounced “tome” like “toom.” Drove me nuts.
My buddy would always talk about the skill toom’s used to unlock the “ruin” (rune) skills.
Barely Sociable did this and got a chuckle out of me, great that he owned it in a later video, though.
Brian Regan, the epi-tome of hyper-bowl. What a great show. Thanks for the in-aardvark-ent reminder
One of my friends once called me pedantic, and I got to correct his pronunciation of it - he stressed the first syllable. One of the high points of my life.
Someone is peDANTic, but they themselves are a PEdant. Probably why they made that mistake
But did they say Ped-ant or PEE-dant?
Like how we can reCORD some music and release a a REcord
Or make some COMpost by putting those scraps in the comPOST
I still put scraps into the COMpost, but only the comPOSTable scraps.
I had a similar thing with the word contrarian!
For me it isn’t “some” word it is “many, many” words.
charcuterie (shar-KOO-terr-ee) (TIL)
potable (POH-tah-bull)
prerogative (preh-ROG-ah-tiv) – wait, wat? Damn. I say it (pur-OHG-ah-tiv)
preternatural (pree-ter-NAT-chur-al)
remuneration (reh-myoo-ner-AY-shun) – I’m not admitting how I say it lol
surprise - let’s just say I spelled it suprise for ages. sigh
victual (vittle) - wait, that’s how you spell it??
Indefatigable (IN-dih-FA-tih-gə-bl) not in-dee-fa-TEEG-able
Primer: \PRIMM-er\ – small book / short informative piece of writing. (Brits can use long-i for both the paint undercoat and the book).
Mischievous: \MISS-chuh-vuss\ though mis-CHEE-vee-us is a non standard alternate pronunciation.
Interlocutor: \in tuhr LOCK you tore. I had no idea how to pronounce this so I never said it.
I think some “mispronunciations” are down to regional pronunciation. Like, I say miniature as MIN-ih-chure by habit though I’m well aware of how it’s spelled and “should” be pronounced. I swear that’s how I heard it growing up.
Maybe it isn’t regional and it is just me. That would explain some things lol.
And uh, yeah I have a bunch more, some I know but am forgetting at the moment. Undoubtedly I mispronounce many more while having no idea. What must people think of me? Lol
Look, I was on board until you started throwing out made up words like preternatural, victual, and indefatigable, then I knew you were pulling my leg.
In war we’re tough and able [steps on cat]
Quite indefatigable
Between our quests we sequin vests and impersonate Clark Gable
Clearly pronounced in-de-fa-tee-gable
But many times, they’re given rhymes that are quite un-sing-able.
I’m American and have never heard “prim-er” I’ve always heard “prime-er”.
I say miniture when it’s an adjective like a smallish thing, but mini-a-ture when I’m using it as a noun, like the pieces used in tabletop gaming.
Looks like you’re mainly struggling with words of french origin, which is fair, the language is fucked up.
/prəˈrɒgətɪv/ Huh. I guess usually when a schwa and a rhotic is involved, my dialect drops it. I pronounce it /prˈrɒgətɪv/ which could be romanized to pur-ROH-guh-tiv. But there’s no actual separation between the u and the r there.
Interesting. I find the combination of rhotic - schwa - rhotic rather awkward. That could explain why it is commonly mispronounced.
The only time I have actually heard someone use indefatigable is in the Monty python, where they intentionally pronounce it wrong
TIL it’s “prerogative”…
I once spoke with a Southerner about favorite books. They recommended a series they called “The Will of Time”.
Only later I found out they were talking about The Wheel of Time.
I started at a company that had a lot of people from India. I have no problem with anybody from anywhere but It takes me a little while to become familiar with accents. That little fuzzy search option in my brain that listens to one thing and realizes what they’re trying to say is woefully undersized.
It’s my third or fourth day on the job I’m nice and early and my boss’s boss strolls in. I’m the only one there.
Suresh: I need you to check on the Catalina office. Me internal: I roughly heard of Catalina but I don’t know anything about it I don’t even know where it is, maybe it’s a city in Spain or something. They do have some international offices maybe I’m missing something. Me: Catalina? Suresh: Catalina, I need to know the status of Catalina. Me Internal: s***, that didn’t help. Furiously googles, no, that’s not any help either. Can I ask the CTO to spell something, would that be a career-ending move on day three? Should I ask him what country it’s in, should I say I don’t have the information for that office obviously I’m a working human being I could look them up and call them if I knew. Suresh reading my confusion: Catalina, Catalina, about 6 hours from here… Norte Catalina. Me: ohh so sorry, no problem, I will find the contact information for our North Carolina office check on them and let you know.
I pronounced puddle as poodle up into my thirtys. Maybe I didn’t use it too often so it wasn’t noticed. My second wife did. Absolutely scundered!
Worcestershire
I believe it’s pronounced “wstr”
Close, that’s Worcester. Worcestershire is “wstrshr”!
Wuss-ter
Wuss-ter-sheer
The whole word is silent
sauce?
That one isn’t silent
Wash your sister sauce
And nearby Leominster
And Cirencester
Sern Stir?
It’s pronounced “siren sester”.
“-cester” is usually pronounced “stir”, I’d assume then “Sir In Stir” if I got the first part wrong
It’s English. The only rule is that actually in some cases the rules are different.
There’s a Worcester in Massachusetts, local pronunciation rhymes with sister (which is in turn said like “sista”)
It’s pronounced ‘gif’
The German girl Ginger gave George gross gelatin.
/ʒaɪf/
Giblet
Jiraffe
Ghoti
I remember this one! They’re was another one as well which I’ve sadly forgotten. I believe I tried to make a couple up myself once upon a time.
Ha I don’t even know what that is so I will never say it.
GH is pronounced F like in “enough”.
O is pronounced E like on “women”.
TI is pronounced SH like in “action”.
Therefore, ghoti is pronounced fish.
You CAN pronounce it fish, but you can also just simply not pronounce it.
GH is pronounced _ like in high.
O is pronounced _ like in jeopardy.
T is pronounced _ like in potpourri.
I is pronounced _ like in receive.
Therefore, ghoti is completely silent.
T is pronounced _ like in potpourri.
Kind of a cop-out, since that’s a straight-up French loanword. “Soften” would be better. Or “often,” if not for the fact that it’s so commonly mispronounced.
True! I just remembered that there was a way to make the whole word silent but didn’t remember the T bit so I looked it up. This was the first example. Soften is much better!
Fun fact: every letter except V can be pronounced silently.
That’s interesting! How about Q?
Lacquer. (Which I believe is the only word in English with a silent Q. Proper nouns don’t count.)
Do you mean stuff like acquire? There are a good bunch of ‘cq’ words.
Açaí
But isn’t that the right way to pronounce it?
Insurmountainable - Michael Scott
I would say you’re actually witnessing the very real phenomenon of language-drift. Languages evolve for a billion reasons, but there’s no right or wrong state of language.
That’s why we distinguish between language, dialect, idiolect, sociolect. Each bearer of language is also a producer of language. Their version is just theirs, in whatever many ways that makes that version unique.
(Check linguistics to better understand this process of language-drifting )
