It must surely be imminent. He’s not in the best health if the reports about him eating mcdonalds all the time are true. He’s 79 which isn’t that old but I dont see many fat, stressed 90 year olds on a mcdonalds diet.
Say he had a heart attack next week… then what? Presumably Vance would take over as actual president, but I can’t imagine anyone being as bad as him. Would the maga movement continue with a different cult leader? Do you think things would meaningfully change?
Trump is the disposable useful idiot to be the fall guy if the fascist coup fails. Everyone will pretend to sober up with their “it wasn’t us, it was him and we tried to fight it from the inside, but he was just too powerful.” story. These lines are well rehearsed.
The fascist party is still fully present and accounted for, and are learning to exercise their newfound powers with alarming speed. Trump dying fixes nothing. They lose a figurehead, and the idiot fallguy. Their plans don’t stop. If anything they accelerate and intensify because their big escape clause just disapeared and the cost of failure goes up.
Trump dying fixes nothing.
Well, it could potentially fracture their party between different figures vying to be the next Trump. That’s the only thing it could fix.
The fascists will still be there, you’re absolutely right. However, do not undercut the cult of personality. People not under the spell, can’t/won’t see it but all of this is built off his “charisma”. Their momentum will absolutely falter when he’s no longer around.
Once it happens, we cannot allow for elected members to talk about “coming together” and “moving forward”. These ghouls must be held accountable.
The individual you’re replying to may be sincere, but a shill trying to demoralize us would say the exact same thing. If a scary message doesn’t end in a call to action, it’s not helpful.
Lol. I answered op’s question. Here’s your CTA. Go fix your shit or die trying.
I personally know more than a couple trumpers who are now fully cultists and will eat whatever right wing media feeds them. As long as there are consistent right wing propagandists, there will be the cult of maga. They will continue on supporting fascism and hurting others.
Agreed, perhaps I’m just not as hopeful in the damage the cult suffers in this circumstance. It would have been damaging in an election. Things are moving fast now and still accelerating. There might not be another election, then losing Dear Leader doesn’t mean much. Fascists use fear and violence to control opposing groups in populations, not democratic consent to legitimize themselves.
The plans won’t stop, but the cult of personality definitely will
At this point, it should be clear to everyone that Trump is a symptom, he is not the disease.
Agreed, but that doesn’t mean I won’t celebrate it.
But then the death squads will come after you if you do.
the cope is strong, would be a lot funnier seeing everyone finally being forced to come to terms with reality if i wasnt stuck in the US when it goes down
It’s a bit of both. He is uniquely good at allowing people to feel like their narcissism is righteous. He’s the best at it since Hitler. JD’s no neo-hitler.
That’s true, but if you pop this particular pustule it’s not clear how long it would take for another to emerge - perhaps hears or decades. In which time there’s a chance you could at least partially address the underlying health issues.
Vance (and Peter Theil by proxy) become president.
It’d probably be best if Pete Thiel just died also. That would be pretty cool.
Just make it “all billionaires”, just to be sure.
Isn’t he allegedly drinking the blood of virgin boys or something to try to defeat death?
we’ll have a theilocracy
It’s extremely rare for a cult to survive the death of its leader.
The only one I know of is Scientology.Vance would become POTUS, but he won’t be able to keep MAGA united. Remember, Rump is miraculously keeping both pro Israel Zionists and anti-Semitic Neo-Nazis together on the same team. As well as others who would be natural enemies. MAGA will collapse. Vance’ll almost certainly loose in '28.
This is my take.
Trump’s death won’t change the shitty people who have elected and continue to support him, but those people will no longer have a focal point.
Among all his shitty traits, he does have the uncanny ability to engender support from shitty people in a way that no one else can emulate.
Vance will be POTUS. He will reverse course on Trump’s dumbassery… withdraw from Iran, hose down Hormuz, water down the tariffs et cetera. He will try to win support from the great unwashed and the oligarchy but will ultimately fail.
I think Vance’s response depends greatly on if he takes direction from his handlers in Heritage Foundation or if he gains an ego and believes he’s the new cult leader. They learned their lesson with Pence who, with the obligatory “fuck Mike Pence”, still wasn’t invested enough to commit treason.
Vance just doesn’t have the twisted charisma Trump has to be the cult guy. Heritage knows it, but they knew he had a shelf-life and only needed to get in and secure their position. The Third Reich didn’t survive Hitler but he wouldn’t let go (and they couldn’t get rid of him) until it was too late. The Soviet Union survived the death of Stalin because nobody after him tried to recreate his larger than life image, they maintained the control that was established under his reign.
If Vance does what he’s told he doesn’t need to be Trump, and if the regime continues to disregard democracy, the courts, and even declining public opinion among conservatives that rode the wave but are now leopard fodder, they don’t need another Trump, just an institution to defend. These fuckers are embedded and will be difficult to remove.
I think Scientology outlasted Hubbard because the basis of the cult is to constantly collect blackmail on the members through assessments which makes it hard to leave without your dirty secrets getting released and every person in your life cutting you off.
When did David Miscavige die? /s
Anyone heard from his wife in the last decade or so?
Heard she was road tripping with Jimmy Hoffa and D.B. Cooper.
Every religion currently operating is a cult that survived the death of its leader.
A handful maybe.
Most grew organically from collections of myths, stories, and traditions.Greek, Nordic, Egyptian, Hindi, Jewish, Wicca, Vodou, Zoroastrian, even Christian, each started as loose regional folktales. They took shape and coalesced over generations.
I’m throwing a big friggin party
I’m going to be so drunk
The maga movement does not seem to do well without Trump.
I heard something very fascinating on pod save America this morning: the Maga cultists don’t follow Trump because they worship Trump the person, they follow Trump because they believe the same things that Trump believes. If some other leader spewed the exact same things, they would follow that person, too. that’s not JD Vance. That’s not anyone right now. Everyone in the Trump administration is very much after their own interests and only kiss Trump‘s ass because they’re afraid of the consequences if they don’t.
Really, this is a huge problem for the Republican Party, as, post-Trump, all of the Maga cultists would probably break away from the Republican Party and possibly dissolve into a disorganized slurry of right wing crazy. This would leave the Republican Party massively weekend as a result, and most of the independents that voted for Trump in the last election would likely defect to the Democrats.
Trump has built a “broad tent” with support from a lot of different demographics.
I suppose I agree that MAGA cultists support him because they believe the same things. I think it’s more apt to describe it as Trump gives them permission to indulge their shitty beliefs, but I guess that’s the same.
Yeah, I think that’s the same thing, but coming at it from a different direction
No, things would not change. Republicans would still control the Supreme Court. Over the last couple of years they learned that they can get away with anything: breaking any laws they want, straight out stealing money, building concentration camps, sending gestapo to murder people… They will not stop doing this only because Trump is dead.
Who exactly will take over after Trump is impossible to tell. Watch The Death of Stalin by Iannucci. This is exactly what will happen. A lot of infighting and backstabbing until new king of MAGA is crowned.
Watch The Death of Stalin by Iannucci
i have been watching this every year with hope
One of the interesting things to consider is the timing. He’s been bleeding popularity the whole time but death has a way of buffing up your reputation. If enough people turn against him before he dies, he becomes broadly a villain. If he dies tomorrow, there’s still a huge number of people who will think of him as a martyred saint.
I admit that I’ve never truly understood martyrdom, but I think it’s notable that Trump would get thrown under a thousand busses.
He’s objectively directly responsible for a whole lot of bad stuff. Right now no one wants to blame him for anything because he’s a petulant toddler happy to wield the worlds largest economy and armed forces against you if he feels your grovelling is insufficient.
However, as soon as he’s gone I imagine that dynamic will change dramatically. What’s the benefit of sucking up to someone who can no longer shit in your cornflakes?
Instead the opposite is true - his successors will be heavily motivated to blame everything on Trump.
The rest of the world will have a party to celebrate.
Yes. Even if it is useless, but they will for sure.
Vance would accuse Democrats of assassination and impletement martial law and arrest Democrats
It doesn’t matter even if it’s a heart attack
He needs to end in a humiliating self inflicted way. Falling off the stairs or something.
The Portuguese way look suitable: his chair breaks and he hits his head
I actually got a book that disputes that narrative, arguing that it was likely something even more embarrassing like him falling inside his bathroom, due to the fact that apparently the killer chair was never found, that there are conflicting stories, and weirdly inconsistent testimonies Edit: went to see the Wikipedia article, they do have this dispute mentioned. Fun
I prefer the chair story, it yields better memes
That was fascinating, thanks for sharing.
For legal reasons: I want to be clear I do not wish death upon anyone…
But I do wonder what it would look like if a politician choked on a burger and died…
Like imagine how absurd it would be if it happened on live tv
For moral reasons, I want to be clear. I DO wish death upon trump.
I’m not going to be the guy that causes it, but I will happily celebrate that day HARD!
The next day, 30% of Americans would be convinced woke trans people poisoned him by injecting the burger with estrogen.
if it happened on live tv
Nah, the beeper people are quick enough not to let this be seen.
I came across a catchy turn of phrase recently that I think would be perfect here. I’m hoping that, in the midst of one of his big public speeches, he shits himself inside-out. That would be the perfect end for his story.
He needs to pull a hey man nice shot. On live t.v.
That is known as an R. Budd Dwyer.
How about falling into a volcano? Or better yet, post a sign that says “Danger! Volcano ahead!” to which he intentionally disregards, and jumps in!
Americans will find a new rapist murderer.
Parties. Celebration. But things won’t really improve in the short term. Medium term, maybe the cult fractures, but fascism is much bigger than this one fuckhead.
Still, parties.
Fascism usually doesn’t recover from a leader loss for years.
Historical examples: Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet.
What is likely to happen? Lots of people pissing on his grave.
The streets will flood with piss wherever they dump his bloated corpse.
Don’t forget to eat lots of asparagus!
I forgot about this. You have given me a valuable piece of advice that I will carry with me to Trump’s grave.
Vance is smarter than Trump, less driven by his own impulses, and more directly under the control of Thiel
He doesn’t have the cult of personality Trump does, but if/when you’ve rigged the elections so you’ll always win, what does that matter?
Vance makes NO decisions on his own, he is ENTIRELY owned by Peter Theil. If Vance becomes president, Peter Theil is in charge.
