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Even if your best option is to vote for postponing the day leftists start getting hauled off to camps, you should still vote. Activism is harder when you’re in a mega prison.
Wait until he realizes the fascists and the Democrats are the same people, it’s a straight line.
The US is a corrupt settler colony with no redeeming values and must be destroyed. Reform is impossible. Death to America.
Come to the Turkey. There is hundreds of competitors except Republicians, Faschists and Democrats . Nobody knows what happening here in this country. Double excitement, triple adrenaline, endless pursuits, tempo never downs… One way in and no way out!
When you came back to America you will be a staunch patriot!
Sales pitch: An organization that, after one dies, donates one’s spine to the USA Democrat Party.
EDIT: not necessarily a charity. This is a sales pitch, after all :P
The assumption that the Democrats aren’t fascist is why the cycle remains unbroken
They’re all corrupt. Just ask the dead Palestinians
Vote with one hand, throw a brick with the other.
Become ambidextrous. Become ungovernable.
The only way forward is to liquidate the billionaires as a class.
Most people who read and write the comments here are frustrated because there is no known mechanism to have large scale change in the USA. Only minor victories that are easily lost to time.
Thanks for pointing that out, truly revolutionary.
Yup, no one here is burning down warehouses as far as I can tell
For me it was how the democratic establishment used all their energy on undermining the Bernie campaigns of 2016 and 2020. They litterally would rather have fascist president than seeing change.
Don’t forgot Zoran Mamdani, they would let Bloomberg split the vote and not endorse a mayoral candidate. They’d let a Trump republican win before an avowed socialist.
My GF at time was a true-blue Democrat who volunteered for her party during Bernie’s campaign, she was there for primaries. I told her there was NO WAY that the Ds would allow him to run for office.
After, she came home very upset, just devastated with what she had seen. She never told me what happened, she refused to talk to me about it. We were over shortly after
She stopped volunteering.
I encourage everyone to volunteer and see how things are done in local politics, it’s a real eye opener
the Ds would allow him to run for office.
Those "D"s are called primary voters.
Anyone who helped Trump win is not a Bernie supporter.
Those "D"s are called primary voters.
no
https://www.newsweek.com/clinton-robbed-sanders-dnc-brazile-699421
Ain’t no way the ruling elite can risk any peasants actually getting the idea of taxing billionaires and holding them accountable in other ways.
In the short term with a first past the post system, harm reduction in voting D is unfortunately the way to go, but let’s not kid ourselves and think they actually want real change.
Republicans cut taxes for billionaires, because we let them take over the government.
Such bullshit. Bernie ran campaigns and lost. Apparently that makes Biden a “fascist”.
Dude, Debbie Wasserman Shultz literally had to resign from the DNC chair position because of leaked emails where she was in correspondence with other DNC officials deriding the Sanders campaign and strategizing on how to undermine him and advanced Clinton’s campaign.
Not saying Biden was a fascist, but he was a worse candidate because he was carried up by billionaire money alone, and that gave us a worse position to win the 2020 election. Also known as risking the second term of fascist Trump.
The reason Bernie lost was because of a coordinated effort to undermine Bernie. He challenged the billionaire class with living wages, infrastructure spending and climate action. He was built on the grounds of donations avaraging 27 dollars, owned by people, not might.
He was up against 15ish bland super PAC funded candidates, also known as bootlickers. These bootlickers would eventually come together together with Obama and lick the boots of Biden right before super tuesday. Allowing establishment newspapers to spike up Biden at a pivotal moment.
I dont think you should defend a bankrupt nomination process, thats all.
Unfortunately what it really resolves to (and always has) is us, the people,
Tap for spoiler
Being forced to solve the problem
To quote Malcom X: “It’s the ballot, or the bullet.”
We gonna have to get mean of we want it to change. Looking at the comments, we are already there.
to be fair, lemmy is already left leaning
Doesn’t anyone get tired of this childish pontificating? It’s all just a bunch of blowhard keyboard warriors.
Malcolm X, by the way, did not advocate violence against rich people. Or even really all that much violence at all. His historical legacy has been hijacked by teenage edgelords.
He believed in self defense but also advocated staying within legal bounds.
Go read the full ballot or the bullet speach and see if you still agree with your post.
Is everyone lost in the sauce in these comments? The meme is about holding fascists accountable for things like authoritarian actions, not passing milquetoast policies to capitulate to their voting base when they don’t follow through on 90% of what their campaign promises were.
Talking Epstein action, state surveillance overreach, actual war crimes and unconstitutional breaches that are handwaved away or not addressed (usually strengthened or re-instituted during “progressive” times). This has been going on since the civil war, “Let’s move on and focus on the future, not hold people to standards or accountability (or the actual fucking law)”. I predict maybe 2-3 high profile cases during the next presidential term that will try to go after someone but will just be a drop in the bucket compared to what people are getting away with.
lot of “far left” on these types on this platforms, don’t go to the political pages unless you like echo chambers, i got banned from one for pointing out immigration and youth job statistics that removing illegals was helping with the lack of jobs and was accused of bigotry by otter or m-p. They didn’t ban me but I blocked the group, the fact theyre admins for the Canada lemmy make me wanna look elsewhere. Save your time, trying to get through to some people isn’t worth it.
Fortunately voting isn’t mutually exclusive to any other flavor of activism. So, unironically: yes, please do vote, as often and informed as you’re able to.
Light up some billionaire’s warehouse on the way home if you want, but voting is easier and safer than pretty much any offer method of driving some rapid reform, so start with voting, and take whatever other action you feel still needs to take place.
Lots of hate on voting lately… Why? Use every tool we’ve got.
Problem is in a lot of states voting does jack shit unless you’re on the side of the party the majority of your state votes for. In 2024, 70% of the registered voters voted and the conservatives won by a massive margin. Protests happen every once in a while here, but if you say anything at these to encourage other forms of political movement and you’re quickly shut off cause they’re afraid you’ll hurt the movement.
I mostly agree. I see nothing wrong with voting, though I understand the folks who didn’t vote in the last presidential election. I don’t think voting matters all that much outside of local elections but do what you will. It’s getting a lot of hate rn because it has felt very ineffective at preventing fascism and people are seeking alternatives.
What we need is labor movement power like work stoppages, but far more organizing is needed before we can do that effectively
Absolutely, convincing liberals of this necessity is imperative
Well, according to the logic present in this very thread, some people have tried organizing, but they haven’t single handedly stopped fascism, ergo organizing labor is useless, just like voting. There’s nothing we can do that doesn’t require a large amount of people to organize and invest time, effort and money. Of all the options, voting is (because of laws) still the cheapest, most legal, least likely to get you fired option. And we can’t even manage that.
I’m sorry but jumping to ‘organizing is useless’ makes absolutely no sense.
Why do you think you even have a weekend or benefits in the first place? The gains made by the militant labor organizing in the last century.
If organizing was useless, governments wouldn’t spend all the immense time and money to break, weaken, and dissolve unions. They do so because they recognize the real threat organizing has.
I’m not saying organizing is the one thing we need. There is no singular thing. A united front is needed. Every avenue both inside and outside the system. Co-opting the Dem party to be a party for the people, outside organizations like DSA to keep politicians accountable, labor organizing to wield our collective power to ensure our demands are met, voting, coalition building, mutual aid, International organizing, ect.
This is a class war, we have no luxury of choosing a single angle of attack.
I share that frustration, but discouraging voters from showing up isn’t going to help anything: focus your anger at the actual fascists, not the ballot box.
Actually achieving some meaningful reform is a complex project that requires every tool in the box. If you run into a stripped screw, don’t get mad at the screwdriver for not working, but instead reach for your other tools to use alongside the driver. Might need to grab it with a vicegrip (like a general strike) or whack it with a hammer (like a molotov cocktail), but don’t just discard the screwdriver - the screws aren’t all stripped, and the project is a lot bigger than just the one striped screw. If the next screw is also stripped, by all means light up another, uh, hammer… but the screwdriver is the easiest and most effective option for the parts of the project that aren’t already fubar.
So… advocating for alternatives when they’re called for: absolutely necessary! Throwing the screwdriver away: unnecessary and critical error.
Unfortunately voting requires electoralist action, which takes a lot of effort and motivation from those doing it (literally year-long amount of man-hours) which absolutely is mutually exclusive with actually useful things
literally year-long amount of man-hours
What are you talking about?
The thousands of work hours spent canvassing, phone calling, fund raising etc rtc
No, we’re just talking about actually voting here. Don’t add a bunch of stuff. You don’t need to canvas to vote. And in the context of the thing written, what action do you think people bitching in this thread are genuinely going to take? How many walmart firebombers are among all the terminally online leftists here?
Propaganda. It’s easier to deactivate the opposition than to convert it.
It’s quick and easy to blame a specific party or whatever boogeyman du jour you want. It’s much harder to do the work and takes a lot longer to actually actively participate in supporting stronger leaders and building a better future.
I can’t and won’t comment on OP’s specific motivations, but the thing I consistently see with messages like this – no viable solutions and no practical alternatives. Just fluff and fantasy, misinformation, and over simplification, amongst other problematic issues.
Voting is basically the lowest hurdle to participate and influence political outcomes (in the USA) and yet voter turnout is shockingly low. Of course that’s going to be a big message from any party that wants to be part of the process. What this graphic specifically is doing is making it seems like that’s the ONLY messaging coming from the Democratic party. It’s the same ole song and dance as the fascists, misinformation.
Then, seeing how abyssal voter turn out is in the country, participation rates in all the other political activities is only a tiny little fraction of that. You want change? You want power? You’ll have to participate and you’ll have to persuade others, many others, to participate. You need to organize, and you need to have a plan.
Let’s say you believe the shtick that Dems “do nothing to fight back”, what things did you do to counter that? I’m sure here in the anonymity of the Lemmy, we all donated lots of money to other parties and candidates, knocked on doors and made calls on their behalf, helped support new and upcoming leaders (or stepped up ourselves) and convinced them to run for local offices so that they were in a great position to move up the chain to ever more important and influential positions, and we called our leaders from locals all the way up to federal level and let them know what issues we find important. But outside of the minuscule population on Lemmy, the US population as a whole did not. And memes laser focused on further disenfranchising people from the process definitely won’t change a thing there. In fact, that’s part of why we’re here to begin with.
Oh, but InvalidName2, YoU DiDn’t oFfEr aNy pRaCtIcAl sOlUtIoNs eItHeR, yOu’rE JuSt aS BaD.
I did, but if you didn’t pay attention, you’re not a serious person. I’d rather spend my effort donating lots of money the best candidates I can find, knocking on doors and making calls on their behalf, helping support campaigns of new and upcoming leaders, and talking to my elected officials from locals all the way up to federal level and let them know what issues I find important, and numerous other activities that align with my political goals. AND I’m also helping other people get involved where they can, supporting local organizations to amplify that support, and so on.
