• Mangofunk@thelemmy.club
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    2 days ago

    Voting is an illusion of choice. At best, you’re voting for a personality. Who voted for these flock cameras? Who voted for this war with Iran? Who voted for citizens united? I can go on and on.

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      1 day ago

      There are differences, but your questions are valid nonetheless. The two parties are a Venn Diagram:

      We can vote on LGBTQ protections, DEI initiatives, abortion, separation of church & state, etc. because the two parties genuinely disagree on these issues.

      We can never vote on wars in the middle east, the ever-increasing Pentagon budget, the ever-increasing ICE budget, growing presidential powers, Congressional insider trading, protections for whistle blowers, lifting sanctions on Cuba, closing Guantanamo Bay, the surveillance state, drone strikes, corporate bail outs, the growing wealth gap, etc. Where both parties agree there is no democracy.

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      2 days ago

      No, you’re simply wrong. Voting changes many things. But it doesn’t fix everything. I mean, just look at Iran. Did Biden start that? No. But if Trump had won in 2020, you can bet he would have done the same thing four years earlier.

      Voting is about policy, unless you’re foolish and decide it’s about personality.Then really bad shit happens. And politicians have been corrupt for millennia. So what? You want a king instead? Lol. Go look at history and tell me how that worked out.

      Voting alone is insufficient. Do other things, too. Or don’t! It’s your life.

      • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        2 days ago

        I mean, just look at Iran. Did Biden start that?

        It’s real dumb to blame the long history of imperialism on one guy, but he didn’t do jack shit to stop it. He supported genocide and the MIC like every other politician.

      • balsoft@lemmy.ml
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        2 days ago

        The problem with this isn’t voting, it’s who you are allowed to vote for and which policies those people represent. Most US elections boil down to “90% hitler and covert fascism vs 100% hitler and overt fascism”. Sure, if I were forced to vote in such a situation I probably would vote for the 90% hitler just out of harm reduction, but also it’s important to acknowledge that the entire system which forces you to vote for 90% hitler must be destroyed.

        But if Trump had won in 2020, you can bet he would have done the same thing four years earlier.

        The question is rather, would Harris have started some kind of war in West Asia if she had won in 2024? I think the answer is yes, because both Trump and Harris answer to highly overlapping sets of capitalists and imperialists and war is highly profitable. The war would probably be carried out more professionally and effectively, but would that actually be a good thing?

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        2 days ago

        Nope, you are very wrong. Biden did a lot of drone attack as well. Voting keeps your attention away from actual problems. They are intentionally making voting results 50/50, so thay you think it may solve problems.