I want to preface this by saying that I do vote in every election, and I think everyone should exercise their right to vote.

That being said, both parties are bad. We’re in a class war, and the Democrats are just as beholden/part of the oligarchy as the Republicans are.

The Republicans are definitely worse than the Democrats. There’s no question there, but what we really need is a fucking revolution.

both sides are pretty bad, but you still gotta get on the bus

Your frequent reminder from the local queer, leftist furry that if “voting didn’t work,” Republicans and billionaires wouldn’t spend billions of dollars on voter suppression and propaganda telling you that your vote doesn’t matter.

Do your part, waste billionaire money by voting anyway, by any means necessary~

“Both sides are bad” are designed to encourage people to join or form alternative movements. Not voting is a possible, but not necessary, collateral side effect. The strenghtening of alternative movements is the only way out of this bipartisan nightmare, even if today it seems unreachable.

It’s two-fold.

The overton window has shifted so far that we’re getting warmongering from the democrats.

‘Half’ of the congressional left are sleeper agents for the right.

The DNC keeps pushing right and refuses to do anything to keep us from sliding into authoritarianism. Appeasing the right, Siding with Israel.

But not voting left is the same as voting right, that IS how the right wins.

And voting left is just giving them a blank check to keep sliding that window further right.

Neither party is going to let a third party in.

Appeasing the left is making them worse.

The rub, people think if they keep not-voting or voting independent, the DNC will give in and start moving stuff left. They won’t. They don’t truly want to win.

It’s like fucking Brewsters millions out here, but “None of the Above” won’t fucking help either.

I think, mostly, we can agree that the agenda of the “left” is the lesser of two evils, but the evils are getting so bad that we need desperately to do something to move the window back left a little.

If you guarantee your vote to someone, they will lose any incentive to act for your benefit. It’s really that simple. And if genocide is not a bridge too far for you, God help you, because obviously there’s no limit to what you’ll put up with.

Dear Americans, voting for Democrats will get you nowhere, too. I know this is hard, but you will have to start a revolution or vote for a third party in an unprecedented coordinated effort.

Dump the f’n Electoral College!!!

The fact that you think there’s two sides is the problem.

You gotta keep voting the lesser of two evils for the main elections, while voting for the best alternatives you can find locally.

If you don’t vote then you don’t get to complain until the next election.

You refused to have a say and now you have to live with the consequences. No bitching.

And you should do that in all elections. Small and big.

“Literally the only way”? They tried violent treason and have refused to swear in duly elected reps that are not of their party. If you think they’ll leave when their term is up just because you voted someone else in… the major players aren’t going anywhere. These aren’t the kind of people that gain power and then let it go. Don’t not vote, but don’t believe that’s how we’re getting out of this mess.

That doesn’t negate the fact that both parties are, in fact, bad.

I like how people here are trying to have a discussion of whether or not voting third party, or voting at all, is necessary when there are currently concerns (and investigations) of Trump and the Epstein class rigging this last election in the first place. I should also remind everyone that there were similar concerns when Bush first got elected back in 2000. How sure are we that we can rely on voting if that is indeed true?

Furthermore-- I voted for Harris, but I am fucking sick and tired of voting for Democrats. Fucking sick and tired! They are fucking useless. I voted Democrat these last four presidential elections and it is these Democrats and the party as a whole who helped usher in Trump. It has done nothing but cause problems. Biden carved the pathway for both Trump and Netanyahu to carry on the genocide in Palestine and now in Lebanon. He helped the Israeli government go on this psychotic imperialistic crusade against others like Iran and very soon Cuba. And Greenland. Harris vowed that she would continuing working with the Israeli government if she was elected, and she vowed to have the ICE budget expanded also. Both sides ARE fucking bad. Democrats have done jack shit to try to impeach Trump or 25th amendment him so far despite the child sex trafficking through ICE arrests, nor the outright kidnapping and murders of American citizens on the streets and in ICE encampments. Nor for kidnapping leaders of other countries. The list goes on. Just impeachment alone.

Most Democrat congressmen are financed by AIPAC just like the Republicans. Whether anyone is liking or not, the Democrats are 1,000% enabling the Republicans, and even if Harris won this last election, we will be dealing with the potentiality that the Republicans would come back in full force by mid-terms or general elections anyway.

I understand that voting blue no matter who is a way for people to feel as though they are doing something. I still encourage voting. But voting blue no matter who, no matter how bad or how mediocre the candidate is, is clearly not working at all.

As an American that’s never not voted, I don’t understand these fucking assholes.

Genuinely… Fuck them. We’re fucked because of the people that don’t vote, not because of the minority of insane MAGA’s.

The winner of our last presidential election was actually “didn’t vote”.