and I want to be clear - this means no aid to Ukraine either. We are broke as it is.
Top of the list should be prosecuting the fascists and plugging the holes in the legal system that have allowed this country to get into the state it’s in. Without that nothing else matters because the next administration will just rip it all out again.
Looking at the polling, that’s also what a large contingent of Republicans are saying.
There’s no lobbyist money in any of that. Do you expect your politicians to be poor just like you?
Sure, this might be what the voters are saying. Hell, it’s what some of the elected officials are saying too, but what they say and what they do are two very different things.
Nothing will change until we get money out of politics and neither party is willing to have the discussion, much less act on it.
Were the only major power without heath care for all, doesn’t make sense. Unless it would suppress wages and or make lots of job loss I’m all for it. I guess the questions, what happens to HSA’s and FSA’s. I have a few thousand in an HSA I’d like not to lose
That’s what most Americans are saying. The biggest voting block in America is independents. Yet we stupidly keep lettings the elites in the margins have all the air in every room so they can pretend-fight over invented talking points as a distraction so we can’t stop them taking our time/money/resources.
Ah yes, “healthcare over war”
Right up there with classic slogans such as “cake rather than crap” and “better a good night’s sleep than getting stabbed in the dick with a screwdriver”
But no aid to Ukraine means Europe, your biggest trade partner will be in danger, hence your economy will suffer and you’ll become more broke… There’s a reason why we have the ICC and why we have foreign aid, cause ww1 and ww2 taught us that peace is way more lucrative then getting sucked into a war… So idk foreign aid makes everyone richer imo
Uhm, the USA doesn’t recognize the ICC
and they should sign the Rome institute like 125 other countries in the world did
cause ww1 and ww2 taught us that peace is way more lucrative then getting sucked into a war
LMAO
Is that really the lesson you think America learned after WWII? Is that why they’ve been constantly starting illegal wars of aggression across the planet for 80 years?
I think americans education lacks desperately yeah but after a bad enough war they’ll maybe finally see why we need international rules. Why would anyone not sign it, do they want to be able to make rules that justify crimes against humanity or war crimes? Unless you’re doing shady stuff. And the lobbying of rich companies that want to keep resources poor, so maybe we should start with taxing big companies way more then and limiting the sum amount of assets someone can have, say 1M-10M. Cause the lobbying for human rights and average people seems nonexistent
do they want to be able to make rules that justify crimes against humanity or war crimes?
That is literally America’s MO, yes. They have laws which state if any international Justice system tries to hold an American accountable, they have to invade and go to war. The Hague invasion act.
I honestly don’t think that any entrenched politician has even the slightest capability of “Listening” to people they so obviously hold in contempt for being less well off. The career people are all set for life (yet oddly still greedy enough) to sell anyone out for personal gain.
The current state of the Democrats will not listen to that.
Betteridge’s law is in full effect here.
This is what most normal earthlings everywhere are saying. Now, what’s the holdup I wonder?
When the lefists replace the establishment by voting in the primaries.
That’s it. That’s all we have to do. You know why Bernie never got a Presidtial nomination? Because most primary voters didn’t support him. Know why Mandami won in New York? Because the primary voters supported him.
It’s not fucking witchcraft. People need to show up to vote in the primaries instead of just bitching about the candidates in November. That’s how you move the party left.
The fascists figured this out and it’s how they’ve completely taken over the Republican party. We need to do the same thing on the left.
You know why Bernie never got a Presidtial nomination? Because most primary voters didn’t support him.
Right, it had nothing to do with the DNC openly rigging primaries against him and then arguing in court that they were within their right to do so. It’s never the system, always the individuals!
The fascists figured this out and it’s how they’ve completely taken over the Republican party. We need to do the same thing on the left.
The elites which run this country permitted the fascist takeover of the GOP because fascism is not contrary to, and can even be beneficial for, capitalist interests - at least up to a point.
Leftist politics are inherently anticapitalist. The elites will not allow it as long as they’re alive.
Why are you going around shitting on everyone encouraging voting? Voting is the bare minimum first step to participating in politics.
You want to try organizing a bunch of people who don’t even bother voting into action? Good luck with that.
I’m shitting on the framing of “voting is the thing you do to take our country back” when that has failed since…
always. You get progress from fighting elected leaders, almost never from just electing them.
I vote and encourage others to do so too. But I vote because it’s easy and can help the actual struggle a little, not because it will save me.
I wasn’t sure about your intention initially. Fair enough, thanks
The article you linked is about a lawsuit that went nowhere because there’s no obligation for the establishment not to prefer one candidate over another.
And they didn’t rig shit. Establishment candidates who had no chance of winning dropped out, and their supporters supported Clinton over Bernie because they preferred the establishment over Bernie.
People make a big deal over how the superdelegates stole the election from Bernie, but they didn’t. He was behind in the primaries when it reached the convention, and the outrageous thing for the superdelegates would have been to overturn the majority of primary voters and give the nomination to Bernie.
And they didn’t rig shit.
From the article: “a DNC lawyer said openly that if the party wanted to do things like the old days and pick a candidate over cigars in back rooms, it would be within their legal rights to do so”
Or from this article:
"Documents released by WikiLeaks in July 2016 showed that Schultz had acted as an agent of the Hillary Clinton campaign, colluding with Clinton as early as 2014 to set up the schedule of debates and primaries to assist her campaign. For example, given her frontrunner status, with no “major” challengers on the horizon until the surprise of Sanders, Clinton wanted few debates and a primary schedule that would allow her to clinch the nomination early.
In the final month of the contest, DNC officials leaned heavily on the Sanders campaign, seeking to pressure him into conceding the nomination, long before Clinton had collected the required majority. DNC vice-chairman Donna Brazile also assisted the Clinton campaign by leaking debate questions ahead of time."
But you believe whatever helps you sleep at night, Blue MAGA. I’m never voting Democrat again regardless of what someone on Lemmy tells me to do lol. They couldn’t stand up against genocide, one of the greatest crimes against humanity, so they’ll certainly never stand up to anything less horrific.
They said they had the legal right to ignore the primary votes and make clalbackroom deals. And they might have done that, but they didn’t even have to because the primary voters, who were not in any backroom conferences, voted for Clinton.
The DNC probably would have tried to tank his nomination, but they didn’t have to because the people voting in the primaries voted against him.
That’s it. That’s all that happened. Everything they may have hypothetically chosen to do had he won the primaries didn’t matter, which is why the case against the DNC went nowhere.
When Mandami won the NYC primary a lot of the party establishment was pissed and didn’t back him, but he still was their candidate and he won in the general because even the butcher establishment voters still voted “D” because they knew it was more important to support a candidate they weren’t in love with over the fascist Republicans.
That’s a lesson the leftists need to learn. When their guy was nominated, the Democratic voters who voted against him in the primaries still showed up to the main event. If the butthurt leftists who don’t get a perfect candidate would just have done the same we wouldn’t have had a single Republican President this century unless the GOP chose to ratchet to the left.
By refusing to vote Democrat when an establishment candidategets nominated, the leftists are the cause of the rightward ratchet.
Mayoral politics are not federal politics, much less presidential election politics.
Still not voting for your preferred genocidal party :(
Every time the Republicans commit an attrocity, people like you are the reason. You should be losing sleep over it, but you won’t because of 1 of 2 reasons:
You’re a fucking idiot who allows himself to be manipulated by the right to keep people from voting against them, or you’re one of the manipultors.
I think that’s because of their capitalist and Zionazi owners, actually.
I don’t vote for people on the right - including Democrats.
Leftist politics are inherently anticapitalist. The elites will not allow it as long as they’re alive.
It’s not the elite who are against anticapitalism.
…Yes it is?
Oh, this is Work Reform. Sorry for barging in, comrades. I have no idea why I hadn’t blocked this one yet.
If course they won’t listen. If the last forty years have proven anything, it’s that the Democratic Party will never in a million years choose its base over its donors.
The Democratic Party is where progressive movements go to die. DSA can get some stuff done at the local level, and that’s genuinely a good thing, but the DNC is beyond reform.
The Democratic Party is where progressive movements are captured and murdered, or at least neutered. It’s the party’s main function. That’s why they’re fine with throwing an election to Trump and fundraising from the minority for a few years, their donors reward them either way as long as they stop those meddling kids.
What it our citizens were united? Could that help?
It might surprise some people, but democracy isn’t actually decided by posts on twitter. You need to vote in elections, that’s how voters are saying things.
Ah yes, like in 2024, when you could vote between “senile child-sniffing genocidaire who devotes his life to Israel” and “pedophilic rapist genocidaire who devotes his life to money, which Israel has plenty of”
Electoral politics won’t save us, lib. Working class organizing will. You vote to better enable an environment in which the working class can organize (which mostly means being exploited less), not to cast your vote then wait for your savior to arrive.
I get your point, but at no point in 2024 were you able to vote for Biden.
Ah yeah you’re right but you could get pretty close
Mfers be thinking that democracy is when you reluctantly go vote for a president once a decade and bitch on fucking twitter about it before and after, and then with the same breath decline that voting doesn’t work.
We didn’t do a thing and surprise, thing didn’t work. Better do my, different thing that I can’t even describe, that’ll do it.
No fucking wonder you let your country down the drain with this amount of political understanding.So you’re angry because you need the concept of working class organizing explicitly explained to you, or?
Buddy, you can’t get grasp a concept of casting a vote despite you presumably being a voting age therefore having at least a decade to learn. I’m sure you trying to explain anything will be entertaining in some weird way, but I’m not into that type of fun.
…I have cast votes, many times actually. I think you’re having an episode.
So, it’s no longer “Electoralism is the only thing that matters. Vote Democrat”; now it’s “Electoralism doesn’t matter, organizing does. Vote Democrat.” This is how a leftist rationalizes voting against their own best interests. Okay.
I’m never voting for a Democrat again lol, not sure how you reached that conclusion. Why would I vote for either corporate-and-Zionazi-owned party?
Are you saying we need our Citizen’s United?!
Citizens should be more united, that’s for sure
