Correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s not tailism to explain to non-leftists that they should move left at least for the treats.
Don’t become a treatler, become a treatsky.
mcdonalds is on the bds list. and also, you shouldn’t give them money for a thousand other reasons as well.
The BDS list I agree with - the thousand other reasons I don’t. Marx does not assign a moral virtue to shopping local or ethically, and in fact cites the consolidation of labor into large firms to be a historically progressive trend.
In other words, large, oppressive corporations such as McDonalds do suck, but they bring about the material conditions Socialism needs to come about where small firms do not.
Soviets were able to develop faster without compromising their ethics
but they bring about the material conditions Socialism needs to come about
Wouldn’t Marx consider this good in the sense that it creates conditions so unbearable for workers that they’re forced to radicalize?
Soviets were able to develop faster without compromising their ethics
This is a fully mythical view of the Soviets
Wouldn’t Marx consider this good in the sense that it creates conditions so unbearable for workers that they’re forced to radicalize?
No, absolutely not. The point is that it socialized production and brings workers together, while obviously ownership of production remained private. It creates the material basis for the socialization of ownership of the MoP.
Marx’s point was not some crude “revolutionary immiseration” thing and he argued that successfully fighting for labor rights even within the bourgeois system was productive for communists (not as a replacement for revolution, but as one of many ways to help facilitate revolution).
I don’t think this is strictly true, especially in the context of something like McDonald’s but I’ll have to get back to you on that
True in what sense? McDonald’s is not the greatest example but it definitely is an example of production being centralized and coordinated with many hands being involved in the production and distribution of each commodity.
You would have to consider what public good these corporations and included innovations are providing. McDonald’s in particular is a torment nexus of food production based on manmade horrors beyond your comprehension and generating addictive behaviors to the worst possible food while extracting the highest amounts of money possible from beaten down workers.
This is a developmental dead end and whatever logistics or consistency arguments for McDonald’s runs into the fact that socialists and soviets never struggled with food distribution to begin with and the consumerist chain restaurant model does not encourage the development of the kind of non-alienated communal citizen a leftist project would want to create.
Chasing and emulating western consumerism is tailist and meat production doesn’t have any place in rational socialist development especially in the context of the climate apocalypse that meat is largely responsible for.
Going back to my original point the full sentence would be
Soviets were able to develop faster without compromising their ethics (relative to their capitalist counterparts)
And my larger point being that outside of the arms race with the capitalists there is no shareholder profit motive or capitalist gun pointed at the head of socialist development, being liberated from the shackles of capitalist realism would mean being freed from the dichotomy between ethics and advancement, ethical options that are impossible under capitalism are available.
But yes I think even in my extremely simplified point the Soviets ended up with better food than westerners without the excesses and evil that McDonald’s and other corporations had done to reach the same result. Let’s not forget that after everything McDonald’s serves like a $14 poisonous hamburger that tastes horrible, made of tortured and mutilated flesh, served by hyper-exploited labor, and in a way that does irrevocable harm to local food culture. We would have to get specific to name the worthwhile innovations McDonald’s produced that couldn’t be discovered without the immense moral and ethical costs.
the thousand other reasons I don’t. Marx does not assign a moral virtue to shopping local or ethically, and in fact cites the consolidation of labor into large firms to be a historically progressive trend.
If we’re talking about mythologizing this passage from OP is a huge reach when we’re talking about buying McDonald’s
Ah, don’t get me wrong. Not giving SlopDonalds a penny, but in general, just curious how effective it is to explain how capitalism results in any good or service just being worse.
Ah, don’t get me wrong. Not giving SlopDonalds a penny, but in general, just curious how effective it is to explain how capitalism results in any good or service just being worse.
Fear they won’t go further then bring the playzone and colour back to Mcdonalds by defeating private equity!
Unironically one of the best methods I’ve had for getting people to listen to why socialism is good, is explaining how capitalism will just nickle and dime all their treats away for profit.
It also works at teaching them socialism isn’t just about making sure everyone is equally poor and struggling, which is one of the most common anticommunist ideas held by people. Capitalism is the one that wants the working class to suffer, not socialism.
No, that’s not tailism. Why would it be? Some religious view that having nice food attaches you too much to the material world?
tbf I can’t imagine what it’s like now. I basically grew up on the super size me diet. Mom would bring home a bag of burgers for us to eat throughout the week. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is shit in there that has actually contributed to my disabilities. You never know with these corpos. So if it was that bad back then, how bad is it now? I imagine it’s got to be something out of Futurama.
Nothing new from this channel. They’ve always been on the Bernie train, just stopping short of class consciousness.
Call me a lib but their videos have been really useful conversation starters that have led to me making serious breakthroughs in the radicalizing of people I talk to irl. Of course MPU stay away from the scary words and are big on VOOOTing, but they go quite hard on the journalism and letting working-class people speak their mind. That’s the part you can really pick up and run with when radicalizing well-meaning lib friends and family irl.
I view them as a more serious version of BreadTube from 10 years ago. They offer a clear view of what is wrong with society and what causes it, and get people to think about how capitalism is the source off everything wrong in their lives. It drives normies to the left and gets them to seek out deeper theory
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