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If “no” is an unacceptable response, then it wasn’t a question.
Bold of you to assume they didn’t just outright demand the seat for their darling angel child.
It doesn’t bother me at all, if someone asks for a seat, for any reason.
But it should also be understood that they have a right to say no, and you have no right to bitch about it.
Also a bunch of other people in that airplane that could have offered their seat
Absolutely! I will always change seats if I’m flying alone; but there’s certainly no obligation
I was that way over a decade ago when seat selection didn’t require extra payment. Nowadays, nope, if I paid extra for a aisle or window seat, you’re not getting it without a equivalent trade.
Exactly. Although I’m reserving judgement all around because I have no idea what happened. Why was the child crying? Did they offer to pay the difference in fare? Why is this woman the only one that can switch? There are very few situations in which the woman would be judged inappropriate though.
Freedom of speech also allows the bitching
Freedom of speech is a law regulating actions the government can take against you for saying what you want.
This is a discussion about etiquette, in other words how we behave toward eatchother in a society.
If you start referring to freedom of speech laws in normal conversation you have already breached the rules of etiquette, while at the same time displayed your ignorance of how freedom of speech works.
In this case the etiquette invites the person to shut the fuck up after being told no in a polite manner, while the law allows the person to bitch about it. Then we have to consider the rules of the airline, what do they say about swapping places?
Personally I would have no issues changing seats given three conditions:
- The new seat is equal in comfort to my old seat, I am a fat guy (dealing with it) and I will not sit next to another fat guy.
- There is space in the overhead locker for my bag.
- I have not paid extra for my seat, if I had I’d expect some compensation for giving up the added value I paid for.
This does not fall under freedom of speech
As a principle it does. Not legally.
Shut up, moron. (Free speech).
Was there only 1 window seat on the whole plane? Why was this her fault?
Because entitled mombies MUST give their crotch goblins everything they cry about.
How dare you take that name and not live up to it’s legacy!
Are you the original pfys from the bad place?
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Yeah, I don’t understand why the window seat was even a requirement unless that’s what the child was crying about. And if that’s the case, I’m 100% saying “no” with a grin.
Airlines usually have an empty row for medical and discomfort situations. On domestic, it’s usually back-right three seats. So if you pick the aisle seat on the back-left, you can move over after takeoff and have the entire row to yourself unless, on the odd occassion (never happened to me), they’re needed.
I call it my upper-economy class.
Just know that the FAs quietly hate you as they’d use those seats on break if you weren’t putting yourself in them.
Downvoted for using unnecessarily insulting ingroup terms and for disrespecting the legacy of the real poem for your sprog
Why in the hell didn’t the parents pay for a window seat if it was that important? The fuq
Because some parents turn into complete entitled assholes when they hit an airport.
I never travelled with my kids when they were babies, or even small children. You’re welcome.
The entitlement starts long before they arrive at the airport.
Yup. These are the parents who demand a meeting with the teacher because their kids are shit students.
I had to go to a funeral with an autistic toddler, it was hell but we got through it by preparing for it. Toys he’d never seen before helped the most. We also got treats and apologies for the seats near us and the crew. People are a lot more likely to help you if you’re nice about it.
Why do that when you could bully someone out of their seat?
People do this shit and expect you to be too embarrassed to argue and therefore strong arm you out of the more expensive seat.
Good for her. She paid for that seat, and was under no obligation to surrender it for ANY reason. To then publicly shame her over it is unconscionable, and now they’ll have to pay a big price for being petty.
The main issue is that you didn’t used to have to pay more for different seats. Only late stage capitalism has put a price on something we used to happily offer to each other.
I don’t blame the people being crammed in like sardines. You know what the airlines are doing with the extra space they take from us? They’re making whole apartments in the sky for rich people. That’s who I blame.
This story is a bit old.
She gained hella Instagram followers and went on to do a bunch of brand deals… Which is weird? Guess it goes to show influencers become influencers by the virtue of literally anything…If you want to know more, throw this tabloid article in your favorite translation service, it’s the last update I could (be bothered to) find:
Gotta cash in while the cash is there.
Make crypto while the clout flies
filming strangers without asking isn’t cool
I think filming individual people and then uploading it isn’t even legal in Europe?
Most European carriers (including KLM, Lufthansa, Air France, Transavia, and Ryanair) explicitly state in their conditions of carriage or safety announcements that capturing other passengers or crew members on video without consent is forbidden. One instance they actually used the PA system to say to not record other passengers. As far as I’ve seen, it’s not heavily enforced as long as you’re doing holiday pics but the moment somebody starts harassing someone else with recording they turn on the harasser.
It’s a bit of a grey area. Filming in public places is generally allowed, but an airplane isn’t really a public space in the same sense, since you need a ticket to enter. I guess it would also depend on the airline’s terms and conditions.
In Germany it is also allowed to film. However, if you directly film individual people then you are not allowed to publish that without consent. And I’d think that applies anywhere.
Neither is posting those stolen images after on Lemmy.
fair point. they didn’t ask to have their face plastered on social media, even by those who agree with their actions
In places with expected privacy. A plane has no expectation of privacy.
The law in many countries is actually pretty complicated.
It’s usually legal to film in public and to get people in your scene as long as they are incidental to the filming - they can’t expect total privacy as it’s public.
But if someone is aggressively recording, or doing so when it’s clear the person does not want to be recorded, that may be considered as harassment or otherwise illegal.
The carelessness and entitlement is endemic, I guarantee that many criticizing her would make the exact same decision in her shoes.
Empathy is not giving a family of entitled brats what they want to avoid friction, it’s putting yourself in others shoes and trying to relate honestly. If I’m her, I tell them no politely. If I’m them, I explain to my child the reality of the situation and accept the answer.
It’s easy to see who’s in the wrong here, shockingly it’s the one who would film someone and put them on blast for a reasonable, if disappointing answer.
It’s really hard for me to fathom that people can straight up harass someone like this and somehow feel they’re in the right. Holy cow. Poor woman. Fingers crossed she wins.
Its leftover monkey instinct from when another human would be your tribe member and would be expected to take care of your children too.
There is no “us” or “we”, you and your child are simply a problem to others.
The mother didn’t do shit. The flight attendant asked the woman to move and some dipshit passenger decided to film and shame the woman.
Sitting here with your pseudoscince bullshit theories to expand what happened when you didn’t even read what happened.
Gee, I wonder how kids develop their entitlement complexes… Must be the internets and social medias.
They learn it from their parents, like everything else
Hope she wins.
I’ve traveled with our kids when they were little. It sucks. Sometimes we’d have to beg a passenger if they would mind swapping…90% did, they didn’t want to be next to a kid, and we always offered to buy them drinks, snack boxes or whatever as thanks.
Sometimes we just had to suck it up and deal with being where the seats were. That’s how it goes when you can only afford the cheap seats that don’t let you pick the seat (fuck unbundling) thanks to the fare class.
Shaming a passenger out of a seat they paid for? IDK how that’s even on anyone’s radar. Slander, libel, defamation, whatever, hope she shuts down the fools that filmed her.
Someone posted a Brazilian article about it higher up, evidently it went her way but I haven’t read it yet.
If I travel with children, I assume the cost of seat reservations needs to be included, if they are of an age where I need to sit with them, which is most ages up to adulthood depending on the person.
Expecting to count on the generosity of others because you didn’t pay for two seats is unacceptable behaviour.
Personally I think it should be waived if travelling with children though. In fact, seat reservations should just be part of flying but I’m showing my age.
You got it. Sometimes you book late and don’t have the luxury of seats together and then sometimes you DO have to rely on the kindness of others. We had to go to a funeral once and there were four seats on our flight but no 2 together which doesn’t really work with kids under 5 but over 2.
Usually someone is generous, sometimes people are assholes about it, but never would I say “yo, give my kid your window seat”.
Depending on the length of the flight, I wouldn’t want to be in a seat between a kid and the aisle because I din’t want to have to get up every time they and their adult have to pee.
Conversely, I’ve been in a position where I was in the window seat next to two parents and their sleeping newborn. I held it as long as I could, but that kid did not go back to sleep after I asked them to get up so I could pee.
Next time you’re parked in by a newborn and have to pee just ask the parents for an empty bottle to piss in. They should have one or two floating around.
Do we have a childfree community on here?
Saw one browsing All yesterday
