Used to bike and walk in that area actually… I’ve been hit by 11 cars. Nowhere else have I had that issue and I live in what is considered a “less bike friendly” place now. Those folk up there are aggressively hateful towards pedestrians and cyclists.
Right Wingers and their bloodlust disgusts me
had a car brain joke about watching bicycle accident videos and i said i watch videos of cars getting obliterated by trains, guy was super pissed at me lmao
What about all those billions we spent on car infrastructure they could have used? All that and they have to slow down the trains?
trying to convice car drivers that highways and one more lane are a black hole for money is often a waste of time sadly
The way that many carbrains speak, it seems that they regard roads as naturally-occurring, geological features. (E.g. the Lemming who argued that pushing for cycling was harmful to people in undeveloped nations, who will have to drive in coming years, because bike lanes are too expensive for their governments to construct.)
cars can drive on dirt and gravel roads just fine, bikes tend to not get enough traction to leave the potholes.
and then everyone clapped, and Albert Einstein gave you a roll of condoms
would be funny but no. no one clapped or aything lel
Yup. I’ve been on two wheels since June, and thankfully, I’ve only run into a handful of crazy drivers who make it a point to let met know how much they hate me being on the road.
But even that handful is fucking scary.
America uniquely hostile to non-car transport. I feel safer riding a motorbike through the densest traffic Vietnam has to offer, in the middle of a monsoon than an American stroad.
Yup, and you can be obeying traffic laws and operating perfectly safely and at least one asshole will still act inappropriately toward you just for using the road.
Traffic laws in America are dumb as shit, especially those designed around 2-wheelers. You can be perfectly legally blocking traffic and creating an unsafe situation for everyone behind you by being or pretending to be a car doing 10 mph.
We must all share the road, the bicyclists who take up a lane when the shoulder is clear and they aren’t turning left or something are nearly as big assholes as the drivers who see a bike filtering at a light or stopped traffic and move to block them.
The cyclists have every right to use the road as you do, and whether you like it or not is immaterial. The only exception is a freeway.
The assholes are the people in the two-ton death machines who think it’s their prerogative to endanger someone’s life because they want to get to that red light ahead two seconds faster.
The cyclists have every right to use the road as you do
I haven’t driven a car in years.
You’re an asshole if you block traffic for literally no benefit to anybody and you will be treated that way whether you’re doing it in a car, bicycle, mobility scooter, or just dancing in the middle of the road taking videos during traffic.
To be clear, the other dumb laws for 2wheelers include where filtering and splitting are illegal, allowing cars to park blocking the bike lane, not allowing bikes to use sidewalks and instead forcing them to act like cars.
Going slower than you normally go is not blocking traffic. You will wait until a you reach a passing lane like a fucking civilised human being.
I hate cars because mass use of cars is detrimental to everybody’s mental and physical wellbeing.
You hate cars because it gives you a pretense to be an asshole.
Also part of the reason I love motorbikes and ebikes is that I can simply go around obstacles like cars, pedestrians, road construction, you apparently. The freedom promised by cars is only realized by bikes.
my brain read Carbarians and I think that’s going to stick for me
And I misread your word as Carbonarians, which I guess would be an offshoot of Pastafarians.
Welp
You have now unlocked a new word!
Take an upvote chatter
Nice
i drive a prius im a hero -brian
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Facebook doesn’t give a shit either, and honestly they should be held liable if a cyclist is ever killed by someone who has ever left or read a comment like this one that Facebook chose not to take down. For the last couple of years, I’ve started keeping a log of all the comments I’ve reported on Facebook, and then updating that log if I get a notification that they took action. Very, very few have needed updating. Here’s my log of not removed comments:
And here are the ones they did remove:
Facebook actively encourages extreme violence.
There, it’s so horribly easy to create destructive, violent, sexually-offensive content than to remove them. So much that some if not all human content moderators end up having godawful PTSD.
Actually impressive. Including open death threats. Wow.
Give most humans the tiniest bit of power or comfort, and ANYTHING that questions or “threatens” that is immediately treated with hostility.
I report comments like “just run them over” all the time, I’ve never seen one taken down
wow the rage people feel at being physically incompetent…
I cannot say I’m surprised. They moderate only under very narrowly defined circumstances. Thank you for keeping track of it.
I remember they would always remove and punish me for just language. Let’s say some guy says something like “Fuck fa***ts”. I report it, nothing happens. I tell the guy he’s a homophobic piece of shit, removed and temp ban for 3 days.
But what if I’m inconvenienced for minutes per year due to cyclists??? I should be able to kill them!!! /s
Sidenote, in 3 years of using Boost for Lemmy, this is the first post that crashes it consistently when I tried to load the comment view. I wonder what could possibly be going on with it. Had to use the web UI to make this comment.
Same, I took a few seconds scrolled just past this comment. And crashed.
Weird. I’m on Boost right now and it loads perfectly for me
If you were joking about murdering minorities with your AR to remind them that they have their own neighborhood to go back to, you’d at least be investigated by th- Oh wait, Arkansas? Nevermind.
Vehicular cycling advocates have set cycling back decades in USA, with the result being this thought.
A car or a bicycle travelling at 30% of the speed of traffic introduces a considerable risk. It’s why bike lanes aren’t also sidewalks. But it’s not a reason for vehicular homicide!
I get why getting behind any vehicle moving at 30% of the expected rate of speed is an annoyance, and that annoyance is doubly so when it’s a person just doing recreation.
But what I come back to is that cycling isn’t just recreation. It’s also a legitimate form of transportation for some people who cannot drive (for various reasons) or for those who cannot afford it. It’s also one of the last remaining forms that isn’t privacy-invasive (either by the state or corporations).
People on two wheels should be conscious of holding up traffic, but those on four don’t own the roads. We’re all in this together.
I wonder how many people I get stuck behind on the road that are just driving to the gym, when they could run out their front door instead of on a treadmill
One thing people don’t get is that car people think that the cyclist took his car to ride his bike as a fun activity. Nobody could be doing anything “legitimate” like going to work on a bicycle.
That’s also part of the Vehicular Cycling/Forester problem. Forester, distilled and paraphrased, was a proponent of “serious” cyclists, which included the MAML (Middle-Aged Man in Lycra) on racing bikes and excluded the person picking up groceries on a bike with baskets. Which summs up to “cycling is for recreation”. And visibly, the aggressive cyclists tend towards that MAML image, rather than dad picking up groceries or mom cycling to work.
I get your point, but more often than not, the car lanes are the only option for cyclists
If you’re driving your 2 ton shitbox in public, then you have to drive knowing that one mistake of yours or someone else’s can and will cost lives
I mean if everyone involved has concented to forfeiting someone’s life, then I guess there’s no issue. Though I’d prefer to be the shitbox driver in this case
What is a vehicular cycle and why would one advocate for it?
Tl;DW/R: pretending bikes are cars and claiming bike lanes are dangerous.
This is like if women’s MMA didn’t exist so they had to come up with a lot of copium to justify women competing against men.
No? The difference between women and men is nowhere close to the disparity between a car and a bike. What is this comparison?
What do you think the win:lose ratio of men against women would be if professional MMA put all women in competition with men and made no other adjustments?
Without dealing with the institutional misogyny that affects sports and especially MMA (budget for example) that discourages women from training and prevents them from getting the same facilities as their men counterparts? Yeah, the ratio would be skewed towards men. Maybe more if you for some reason decide to eschew weight classification, a system that is actually based on more than “all women are weak little flowers that will be wrecked by any man”
It’s not misogyny that makes men stronger than women, it’s testosterone.
But the strongest fighter doesnt always win! So it wouldn’t be exactly a cars vs cycle situation; point taken.
The guy who came up with it was a lycra guy.
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It is important to understand what Vehicular Cycling is and how it has entrenched carbrained infrastructure. https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/28614295
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That’s in northwest Arkansas. Bella Vista is like 45 minutes north of Fayetteville and full of retirees. Those facebook groups are disgusting hard right nutjobs.
Hello fellow NWA person
Arkansas is a beautiful state. But NWA is the only part of it I’d willingly live in.
If it’s Fayetville, Arkansas, it looks like it has some gravel and mountain bike paths, but also low-traffic mountain roads that probably have poor passing opportunities. And it also looks like people might come to cycle there.
From Fayetteville, road cyclists will discover one of the largest road networks in Arkansas – with over 400 miles of scenic paved roads accessible from town. Low traffic density, high road quality, and diverse mountain topography make Fayetteville the ideal destination for your next road cycling vacation.
https://www.experiencefayetteville.com/experience/cycling
So there’s a possibility local traffic is being held up by tourists cycling nowhere in particular on roads where you might have to wait a while for a safe passing opportunity, made even longer by people struggling with an incline.
What would be a good infrastructure solution to this problem?
What would be a good infrastructure solution to this problem?
Is this a serious question? You have a separate bike pathway/trail that twins the road.
Like in Banff National Park
Yes, I guess that’s really the only good answer. Just on mountain roads, space might be at a premium, but there are probably alternate routes a bike path could take.
Yes, but with all the construction equipment already there, it’s a fraction of the cost to build it alongside. Also that way you can wildlife protect it along with the highway. A seperate route would be at risk of animals (and need to be wary of migration paths) or need its own protection and animal crossovers.
You have a separate bike pathway/trail that twins the road
For this specific use case, that’s only a viable alternative if the separated bike path is just as wide as the road itself. Normal bike paths designed for cyclists commuting or otherwise transporting themselves can be half the width for a bi-directional cycleway as a single car lane, but for cyclists training in the hills, they need the road width to be able to take corners at speed safely.
Uhh… the pathways have 20/km limit, it’s also for pedestrians, roller bladders, skateboarders etc. and your risking your life going fast in the mountains wildlife can be around any corner. If you’re treating a pathway or trail like a road, you’re an ass.
If you’re road training, than you do it on roads… they don’t need to make a specific trail just for that. Don’t go on a busy road, there’s plenty of less used roads that you can do that on.
And how would you be going fast UPHILL, this is mountainous territory that’s being talked about.
Road training is literally what we’re talking about here?
Do you think the only people biking on scenic mountain highways are trainers?
We get plenty of overseas tourists who would be a disaster on the regular roads, it’s also illegal on some roads to cycle as well since it’s so dangerous for everyone.
I think this post clearly shows a picture of a sports cyclist, the post referenced a location with clear advertising aimed at attracting sports cyclists, and the discussion thread above makes it very unambiguously clear that we’re talking about sports cycling. One would have to be completely oblivious or wilfully ignorant to pretend otherwise.
As someone who does both sports cycling and transport cycling, I fucking hate it when people from one side act as though the other side doesn’t exist or is lesser than or not worth considering. The fuckwits who complain about “tour de france wanabees” while claiming to be cycling advocates are no better than NIMBYs complaining about their parking. We’re all on the same side here, and anyone who acts otherwise can fuck off as far as I’m concerned.
Are you seriously suggesting that trails should be built for one particular group of bikers? Where no one else could safely use that trail safely? Not even a pedestrian or a person with disabilities? That’s a great use of resources lol.
The link also talks about all types of cycling.
There’s plenty of roads with almost no traffic that road cyclists can use, why do you think they’re being ignored? They aren’t the problem demographic here.
A simple solution is to have extra wide bits where the topology allows it, with the width added to the uphill side of the road. Adding an unseparated bike lane on long straighter sections or round the bend is usually going to be sufficient for relatively low-speed mountain overtakes. What you should never do is encourage anyone to overtake a cyclist going downhill.
Here’s some examples from Australia:
I’ll add that even in the US, it’s somewhat common for mountain roads to periodically have an extra passing lane, pull-off points, or an extra wide shoulder so motorists can get around slower traffic.
So there’s really no excuse for not adding a bike lane on uphill portions in cycling heavy areas whenever those roads need to be repaved.
…so maybe we’ll see some of that in the next 50 years…
Ha! I used to live where this meme is talking about.
time for cyclist to start dropping nails in the middle of the road…
Nails can miss, caltrops usually don’t.
Too subtle. Gotta speak their language:
a blown tire set speaks louder than a shirt…
