“Noncitizen voting in a federal election is a federal crime, and knowingly facilitating such conduct is equally unlawful,” McCotter wrote in a letter to county officials and California Secretary of State Shirley Weber that was obtained by the Associated Press. “If persons knowingly tabulate ballots cast by individuals identified by federal agencies as noncitizens, they risk becoming aiders and abettors to a federal crime.”
Here it is. They intend on arresting people using “aiding and abetting”
Sounds like Republicans intend to start arresting state election officials, and the bar they’ve set for doing that is so low that they can basically arrest whomever they want, and thereby shut down polling or counting facilities at will.
It’s so obvious what’s going to happen.
There’s zero chance trump will accept the results. Hell he didn’t accept the results when he won in 2016. My bet is he will just say the election was rigged and cancel the whole thing.
Americans will protest for a couple of weeks and things will eventually quiet down, especially if gas price gets lower.
Elections are run by states and administered by counties. It’s happening and he can’t stop it. He didn’t accept the results in 2020 and it didn’t matter what he said.
The attempted coup in 2020 failed because only a handful had a plan, most just went along and had no idea what to do. This time they are a whole lot better organized. They already made it very clear that they’ll use state force to further their agenda. This is going to turn bloody.
Americans will protest for a couple of weeks and things will eventually quiet down
No, they won’t. Deny voting and the place will erupt. The illusion suppresses the mob at least, but remove the illusion… there will be consequences.
I hope it’s true but I’ll believe it when I see it.
The vote is the last thing the liberals believe works. Take that away, I don’t know what they’ll do, but I imagine they may be looking to leftists on actions to take.
For any CDN idiots trying to visit the US from Canada in November: they are trying to drum up “evidence” you are voting there.
ie. Trumped up charges.
So who could the Republicans get to illegally vote for them? Russian agents? Maybe they bus around bunch die hards to go place to place attending rallies and voting in every location they can.
All the white South Africans they’re importing probably
Russian agents are not supporting the Republican party. Stop pretending there is some conspiracy to make America like this. They did it themselves. Trump is like the most American American to ever American.
He’s so American that he will let the USA go into a civil war and give up global dominance through sheer incompetence. By his very Americannes he make the Russian agents wettest dreams come true.
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Published as a strategy suggestion in 1997 and is literally a textbook for their military academy. Notice how it says “for instance, provoke Afro-American racists”. The playbook is to find existing pain points and dig in deep. Obviously it would be much more difficult to create such a movement from scratch. Much easier to inject ragebait into the lives of people already prone to being hateful.
Other great bits:
The United Kingdom, merely described as an “extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.”, should be cut off from the European Union.
Wonder if that could ever happen, eh?
We know the Russians were involved in that. MI6 confirmed it and then the government of the time covered it up.
Trump is owned by Russian mobsters with whom he’s been laundering money since the 80s, and Putin who almost certainly has compromising videos of the president with underaged children (and I’m guessing at least one snuff video because Trump is a sick fuck who Jeffrey Epstein described as the worst person he’s ever known). It’s patently evident they conspire together—Trump himself admits he talks to Putin every week. “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.”
Trump literally cannot be blackmailed. Any compromising evidence would be dismissed by him as AI or fake news and his followers would believe it without question. And in recent years, it’s been shown that Trump is basically above US law.
I remember when MAGA claimed Trump couldn’t be bribed because he was already rich. Trump checks pretty much the boxes for someone who can be both bribed and blackmailed: he’s greedy, proud, insecure, has a criminal history he wants to keep secret including rape and money laundering, is a pedophile, has no sense of loyalty, and there’s a good chance he was (maybe still is) in debt to the the Russian mob.
And yet he is inexplicably relaxing sanctions on Russia while they are invading our ally, Ukraine (whom we signed a pact with to protect them from Russia when they denuclearized). Russia also supports Iran. So we’re harming our ally to benefit our enemy, who also supports our other enemy who we are also at war with.
So if he can’t be blackmailed, then he’s just doing it for money/love of treason.
Yes. I think he is doing it for money.
It’s already been proven that Russians interfered in the 2024 election through disinformation campaigns aimed at discrediting Joe Biden and Kamala Harris / boosting Trumps candidacy. I don’t even know how people like you are convinced otherwise at this point.
goalposts WHEEEEEEEEE
Even if Russia did meddle, it is/would be because it’s incredibly easy to fuck with US politics.
they found out its easier to use troll farms, super easy. and they are known hackers too.
That is true.
Let’s clarify - there is no evidence that Russan agents had any signficant impact on US elections, nor Brexit. There is evdence that tuey have tried.
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
What’s interesting about them, and by interesting, I mean batshit stupid, is that they’ll be happy to take the credit in discussions about how non-voting sends a message to the establishment parties, but they become instant victims the moment the conversation becomes about how they helped trump to the throne.
And here’s where it gets funny:
All the credit; none of the blame. Who does that remind you of?
All the credit; none of the blame. Who does that remind you of?
CEOs and other corporate heads. “Privatize the gains, socialize the losses.”
And MAGA/non-voting chodes.
Nailed the vibe so perfectly.
I wish I could up-vote you about 1000x. 😮💨👌
It’s no end of insanity to see this shit every day. And the fact that they think no one notices this is just embarrassing for them.
This is a nice echo chamber you guys got here where you made up a popular position and ridiculed it
It’s actually not made up. I’ve argued with many people who did that exact same thing. Go vote, loser, this is your fault if you didn’t
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Buddy you are the one enabling fascism not the people voting democrat
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Yup.
Not voting is condoning whatever happens, good or bad. If you stayed home, you rubberstamped all of what’s happening.
This is what you’re achieving by braindead infighting.
They spent decades and trillions of dollars on making sure Americans can’t unite. Looks like the investment paid off.
While I agree with the sentiment, protest non-voting is already tantamount to infighting. This comment is just pointing fingers to set blame on another, which is stupid. But at the same time, calling for protest non-voters to unify with the rest of us should be the goal. That is the opposite of infighting. That’s not exactly what OP was doing, but that is the remedy.
That’s not exactly what OP was doing, but that is the remedy.
No. They were pointing fingers at, shaming the other side, and/or blaming it for the problems.
There’s nothing whatsoever about unity in that message, and that’s the problem.
It’s not infighting, neo-liberals are conservatives, they’re not the left as they’re portrayed to be in news and media. The gulf of ideology between a leftist and neo-liberal is huge.
It’s not neoliberals, it’s liberals in general.
Fair enough, I just make the distinction of neo-liberal because most people fall under that. Classical liberals aren’t as proliferate today.
“it’s your fault that you didn’t vote for us to kill your loved ones, what idiots, you deserve them killing your loved ones”
Braindead liberals.
They have a rot in their brain that if you’re not voting for them you’re voting for the other guy because somehow that’s how voting works. Despite the fact that the majority of the USA voting does not matter because of how the voting system is presently setup. I can vote Democrat until I explode but it won’t make a difference I’m deep in MAGA state.
Me: vote.
You: stop telling people to vote! (Or whatever that was.)
Unreal.
Welcome to Lemmy, this place is a fuckin trip. Wait till you hear the LLml bots tell you that North Korea is actually a good actually for really real socialist state. You’d think it’s a circus what with it being filled to the fuckin brim with clowns.
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Me: stop infighting.
You: absolutely not. I hate people who slightly disagree with me more than the elites. (Or whatever that was.)
Are… Are you stupid or something?
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For someone who is allegedly concerned with unification, your ad hominem sure is shittier than the one you were responding to.
Leave the stewardship of your cause to people who are actually good at it. Unless that was the point, in which case, carry on.
I don’t unite with dipshits that shame their democracy and the people that died for it by not voting. They are stupid and I don’t associate with stupid people.
This is easily the most braindead comment I’ve read this week, but I’ll still associate with you, because you’re not the one to blame for being brainwashed and/or receiving no education.
Nuh uh! They are moral angels, you monster!! /s
The most moral Voters™️ in the world, they wouldn’t hurt a fly!
Unless it was on the ballot, of course.
I’ve heard that the Purity Ponies are much like Kim Jong-un - they are so perfect, they don’t even need to relieve themselves!
Such magical beings. We could all aspire to be like them.
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America isn’t this way because of Trump. Trump is this way because of America.
Trump isn’t the hero America needs, but he’s the one America deserves. It’s just a shame the rest of the world has to suffer because of American ignorance, entitlement and apathy.
Then why are the grand majority disapproving of him? His latest polls show 31-33% approval.
You people know nothing of what’s going on here. You just espouse subjective rhetoric that Trump himself and the GOP loves to read.
What could be better than natural allies across borders unifying? Division is Trump’s goal, and we can all see that clear as day. You’re an accomplice to these evil people if your here to create the same results, perhaps even a “useful idiot”.
Rethink your actions and words, lest you be exactly what I suspect you to be: a blatent propagandist targeting the western world.
Fascism is imperialism turned inwards. All this shit we’ve been doing to other countries (and foreign policy is consistently bipartisan) is now coming back to us.
It doesn’t matter if the majority disapprove, Trump doesn’t represent the things done in the US’ brightest moments, he is the culminatiom and the product of the shadows. The nepobaby of a filthy rich, white supremacist mega-landlord in NY, shaped by reality TV that glamorized the most antisocial parts of human behavior, the product of no consequences for rich people despite fucking over THOUSANDS of contactors, employees, and businesses. I could go on about Epstein, Daniels, etc.
Are you surprised this empire doesn’t show off its dark underbelly proudly?
So what are the 67% - 69% actually doing about it? Waiting for the fascists to run a fair election and honor the results?
Liberals are not our allies, we don’t owe you our lives.
Sadly I think this doesn’t bother non-voters one little bit.
Of course not. They’re rebels using apathy, and they’re comfortable because there are no consequences. “You can’t pin that on me, I didn’t vote.”
tautologicallly, non-voters did not vote.
Not casting a vote is a vote.
explicitly, it is not.
Do you think this is clever or something? Are you the first person to act obtuse and pretend not to understand something?
if you don’t vote, you didn’t vote for anything
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Instead of blaming a failed campaign that failed to attract voters, let’s blame those who are or feel disenfranchised their vote means nothing. Nevermind it’s often POC who are stuck either working subsistence jobs who cannot afford to then take off what amounts to a day to then stand in line and vote.
You get it was phrased that way specifically for the adjustment factor, right?
by abstaining they lowered the total number of votes by one, effectively helping the winner of the vote
so you understand that they didn’t vote
Depends on your definition of “vote”. In the literal sense, they didn’t.
Except, they did vote for this.
by definition, they did not vote
Except, they did vote for this. Kthx.
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they didn’t vote
You are being deliberately obtuse and intellectually disingenuous here.
I’m stating plain facts.
You might want to check that election data again because Trump would have won with or without Harris receiving those “protest votes.” If you want to blame someone for this mess, blame the party leaders who put their thumb on the scale to foist the absolute worst possible candidates on us three presidential elections in a row. This is the result of those party leaders trying to straddle the line of serving the same corporate donors that Republicans do while pretending to stand for "the people "
I blame the fact that they stole that election and bragged about it openly while people pretend that didn’t happen.
Aside from Kamala, the others had primaries. Primaries historically have 10% voter turnout. Blame the people that don’t vote in primaries then bitch about bad candidates.
Pretty big “aside from” there…
1 out of the mentioned 3. Meaning the other person is 66% liar.
It is that easy! It’s not like progressives and leftists are sandbagged by the “vote blue no matter who” Dems right?
https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-skewered-republicans-funding-these-maga-losers-1758128
It’s not like the Dems sabatoged Bernie, twice, right? Vote in the primaries, it’s that easy
They wouldn’t sabotage PROGRESSIVES to help REPUBLICANS AND CENTRISTS if you voted in the primaries “The DCCC released opposition research against progressive candidate Laura Moser in Texas and pressured progressive challengers out of races in Colorado, Pennsylvania, and California to support centrist or well-funded establishment candidates.” https://inthesetimes.com/features/dccc_left_progressive_challengers_laura_moser_campaign_finance.html
“In Nebraska’s 2nd District, the DCCC lent a hand to Brad Ashford—a former Republican who favors abortion restrictions—at the expense of his more progressive primary challenger Kara Eastman, who supports reproductive rights, Medicare for All and other progressive policies. Over in Virginia’s 2nd, the DCCC swung in early behind businesswoman Elaine Luria, a military veteran who twice voted for her Republican opponent, over Karen Mallard, a union member who supports a $15 minimum wage and universal healthcare.”
Same source as above and there way more.
So it seems pretty simple, Dems can tell anyone they want to fuck off (except fellow centrists and Republicans), while the rest of us are automatically MAGA if we don’t support “blue no matter who” despite constant opposition and disdain from a party that hates us because they are RIGHT WING
Yeah these people are just blind party loyalists who would gladly watch the world burn just so long as they feel like they got a ‘win’ out of it. That’s why they’re willing to nonsensically blame everyone except those controlling the levers for how the levers are being controlled.
It’s not like the Dems sabatoged Bernie, twice, right?
Bernie lost the popular vote in the primaries both times. Voters didn’t show up for him.
Wrong and conveniently ignored everything else.
20,000 emails from seven senior DNC officials, including Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz disagrees with you. The correspondence revealed that party leadership privately favored Hillary Clinton and discussed strategies to undermine Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign, such as questioning his religious faith and dismissing his campaign manager Jeff Weaver as a “liar.”
They admitted it was sabotage and formally apologized. The disclaimer that the emails didn’t “reflect the views of the DNC” is hard to swallow since it was 20,000 emails from leadership.
the Obama White House and Senate leadership, coordinated to suppress Sanders to prevent him from facing Donald Trump. Allegations include limiting debate appearances, media blackouts, and the strategic withdrawal of rival candidates to consolidate votes behind Joe Biden in 2020. Elizabeth Warren and former DNC Chair Donna Brazile have acknowledged the 2016 primary was “rigged” against Sanders.
https://time.com/4362402/how-president-obama-will-pressure-bernie-sanders/
Examples of the DNC / party establishment opposing progressive candidates in elections:
The DCCC blacklisted any consultant who worked with progressive candidates. Marie Newman lost four consultants within a month.
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DSCC / Senate Majority PAC 2020 Primaries Spent $15M+ to help moderate candidates defeat progressive primary challengers.
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Nina Turner vs. Shontel Brown (OH-11, 2020) Biden and Clyburn intervened to back corporate-friendly Brown over progressive Turner, with help from a pro-Israel super PAC.
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Jessica Cisneros vs. Henry Cuellar (TX-28, 2022) Pelosi, Clyburn, and other House leaders backed Cuellar (under FBI investigation) over progressive challenger Cisneros. AOC called it “an utter failure of leadership.”
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DCCC Endorses Bains over Villegas (CA-22, 2026) DCCC endorsed centrist Bains over progressive Villegas. The Congressional Progressive Caucus PAC called it “undemocratic.”
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Michigan Senate Primary (2026) Establishment-backed Haley Stevens vs. progressive Abdul El-Sayed drew $58.6M in super PAC spending, mostly against El-Sayed. AOC personally transferred $1M to help. Pressley called the DSCC’s spending “shameful.”
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Colorado Primary (2026) National Democrats injected $2.4M via super PACs against progressive challenger Kiros to protect incumbent DeGette.
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DCCC Spending Disparity (2018) DCCC spent $340K on progressive Rob Quist (MT) vs. millions for centrist John Ossoff (GA). A DCCC-commissioned report discouraged members from campaigning on Medicare for All.
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Team Blue PAC (2022) Hakeem Jeffries co-founded an explicitly anti-progressive PAC to protect establishment incumbents.
The argument is always the same, it comes down to “he lost, get over it.” For a voting bloc that’s supposedly not desired or wanted at the polls, they sure demand we show up to the poll for their “lesser evil” and “harm reduction.”
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Delegate voters are who matter, and the “super delegates.” Not popular vote and of course you’re ignoring the fact they hamstrung his campaign otherwise it doesn’t fit your narrative.
Except he still lost the popular vote too, overwhelmingly, because progressives don’t vote in primaries. With no DNC shenanigans he still loses handily, BECAUSE PROGRESSIVES DON’T FUCKING VOTE IN PRIMARIES.
Much like in the general election for President, POPULAR VOTES DON’T MATTER WITH THE DNC. It comes down to getting either a winning amount of the delegates or the “super delegates.”
And let’s try addressing the elephant in the room now, why would the DNC go to such means to ensure Bernie Sanders doesn’t win the nomination?
Because “you protest voters refused to vote for him and handed the election to Trump” right? Or does that only apply when you need to absolve the people running the party from responsibility for their actions?
They will never understand this simple fact. There either weren’t enough Bernie supporters in the first place or far too many stayed home for the primary. And very nearly every Bernie voter in the primary went for Hillary in the general. There wasn’t a conspiracy, progressives just don’t vote. If they did, we’d have a progressive democratic party.
Trump would have won with or without Harris receiving those “protest votes.”
This, in no way, makes me hate non-voters any less. A drunk driver that happens to make it home without slaughtering someone is still a fucking drunk driving piece of shit.
This also goes for people that voted for 3rd party candidates with ZERO path to victory.
To me, you don’t sound any different than a Republican sycophant who puts party over everything and still supports Trump. You’re literally blaming everyone except for the people running the party who picked the losing candidate, the losing candidate, and the people running her losing campaign. In your eyes, only the party is right and everyone else is wrong. This was nearly the third time in a row they tried this losing strategy and lost, but go on and keep telling us how right they are/were.
Harris also had zero path to victory, and yet here you are acting self-righteous like your choice was the correct one even though it gave Trump the win. To use your own analogy, you are the drunk driver who totaled your car in 2016 and 2024, but narrowly made it home once in 2020 so you want to convince us that you’re “good to drive.”
Who’s blaming. I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
Well I’m sorry to inform you that Harris voters are the ones who voted for this. If they hadn’t thrown their votes away in protest by voting for a losing candidate, Trump wouldn’t be in office right now.
See how useful your argument (or “information”) is?
Yeah, that is the functional equivalence of the voot argument.
Except, this (see article) is what protest-non-voters voted for.
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Optimist of you to think votes had anything to do with putting trump back in the white house and giving congress away to the conservatives.
If voting didn’t work the republicans wouldn’t be trying so hard to take it from you.
Uh yeah that’s how Trump got into the White House and those conservatives got into Congress.
That’s like, the whole point.
the federal government sent election officials in Los Angeles County an unverified list of 20,000 people it claims are “likely noncitizens” registered to vote in California. […] federal agents used the list to make the more than two dozen targeted arrests on the basis of its voter fraud allegations. […] The 11 arrestees are among 28 people the department officially charged—and all are from its list of 20,000 targets in the election. The press release claims that every person targeted is a legal permanent resident of the US but not a citizen.
No words.
“Every illegal vote cancels out the vote of a lawful American citizen,”
So it’s the Great Replacement Theory applied to voting.
We’ve seen this same story play out in Nevada.
They claim huge numbers, but when it’s time to provide the evidence, they come up empty handed. That’s why we are seeing the show of force with cameras and the media blitz. To create the perception of voter fraud to hide the fact that actual voter fraud is rare.
We know their numbers are bullshit too via Propublica:
HSI’s involvement in the hunt for election fraud traces at least to summer 2025, when agency supervisors embraced a proposal from a midlevel agent who’d publicly echoed Trump’s claims about elections. He argued the agency’s powerful databases and tools could find noncitizens even on the voter lists that states make publicly available, from which the most confidential information has been redacted. Under Trump, the Justice Department had collected many public voter rolls as part of a controversial effort to compel states to turn over the unredacted versions.
Those searches went forward, ProPublica’s reporting shows, helping to generate tens of thousands of leads regarding illegal voting across the country. But when HSI agents were sent to investigate them, the results were similar to what Teirab reported from Minnesota.
Between January 2025 and May 2026, a ProPublica analysis of Justice Department data shows, fewer than 150 alleged noncitizen voters were referred for prosecution. Even fewer — 41 — were charged with voting illegally or other election-related crimes. (More than 150 million people voted in the most recent presidential election.)
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There’s an array of reasons why Trump’s campaign to document claims of widespread voter fraud hasn’t succeeded. Most obviously, it’s exceedingly rare, as countless studies and state audits have found. Noncitizens often get on voter rolls by accident or when government officials make errors. Last month, New Jersey disclosed that a mistake involving its Motor Vehicle Commission caused 6,600 noncitizens to be registered (fewer than 400 voted).
wait dint nevada go to trump? and its mainly a red state.
Nevada is weird. Dem and Rep are about the same. Independents
out number bothare a plurality (ninja edit). Dems dominate Senate and House seats. The governor is a Rep. The state voted Trump, Biden, Clinton, Obama, Obama, Bush, Bush.Party Total voters Percentage Democratic 569,337 27.61% Republican 568,665 27.58% Independent American 82,903 4.02% Libertarian 13,620 0.66% Other parties 30,806 1.49% Nonpartisan 796,805 38.64% Total 2,062,136 100.00% To add to this, Nevada has basically two cities, Las Vegas and Reno, and a lot of empty space everywhere else. The vibes of Vegas and Nevada’s proximity to California attract socially left people. The lack of income tax attracts financially right people. The sparsely populated areas tend to be right wing like most sparsely populated areas in the US.
There’s no evidence of non citizens ever voting, because they can’t.
“Every illegal vote cancels out the vote of a lawful American citizen,”
Not if they both vote for the same person
The obvious implication is that only MAGAs are “lawful American citizens.”
Remember, the Trump regime has already declared all anti-fascists to be enemies of the state.
if it cancels out, then nobody actually voted.
No harm, no foul!
But but but 28 votes were saved! Surely democracy is safe now
as if CA is going to vote for trump lol. its just sound bites for faux news, to scare the magats, how shithole blue areas are. alot of travel influencers(conservatives) solely go to blue areas to do the same, and only visit extremely proverty stricken areas.
Why Dems complain when law is applied?
On Monday, federal authorities announced the arrest in California of at least 11 people, and charges against 28, alleging they registered to vote as noncitizens.
Whoa! 28 people! That’s essentially zero, statistically speaking, which is exactly what knowledgeable people have been saying for years: that voter fraud is basically non-existent, and that it’s not at all worth spending millions of dollars to combat.
And keep in mind that they’ve done nothing to actually verify that A) the people they’ve arrested are not citizens and B) that if they are not, that they actually registered to vote. In their own words, the list is of “likely non-citizens.” So basically, they have a list of people who are permanent residents. If you, a citizen, happen to have the same name as someone on that list, and you’re registered to vote, you are at risk of being arrested. Or, vice versa, if a person on that list has the same name as someone registered to vote, they might get arrested even though they did nothing wrong.
its the time of the year again, create sound bites for faux news to consme, that dems are rigging elections
It affects a handful of people directly but it’s intended to intimidate many more.
to distract from actual voter fraud the GOP is actually doing. voter suppression, ballot purging, closing count immediately as a gop is in the lead.
It’s the chilling effect. They are trying to scare the general population out of showing up at the polls.
more than likely its soundbites for faux, to make the boomers and righties go to the polls and ignore the WAR in iran, oil, farmer, tourism problems. california isnt going to turn to gop instantly.
Didn’t they also demand California to not count another 20 000 ballots unless they are all investigated (a practical impossibility in the short time) so it’s a bit more being demanded?
These are charges, not convictions.
And given the trump admins current track record of voter fraud cases I expect all 28 cases to go nowhere.
do they really believe people will vote for them because they are arresting people who weren’t going to vote for them
They don’t need any more people to vote for them, they just need more people to not vote against them.
Unfortunately Trump’s base is very cruel, and yes they do enjoy seeing this.
They will scream one minute about abortion, then scream the next about how all the children in Palestine deserve to die.
This is not hyperbole. This is the real politics over here right now, and it’s fucking insane.
It works for Putin.
putin has his goons standing in the poll stations and directing people to vote for putin.
Don’t let Donnie hear that.
Yes. And it keeps working.
No they believe that if they stop everyone who will vote against them from voting, that the handful of die hard supporters will carry the rest. They aren’t trying to motivate the base, they are trying to either arrest or intimidate the opposition.
So much winning.
