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    He touches on my major issue with all these companies, data mining without compensating the people that created that data. I have to pay for the operating system, get served ads, AND you get to make extra money off my information too? This kind of shenanigans would be tolerable with a free OS, or maybe one that compensated you like brave browser. The blatant fleecing of the consumer here is sickening. I’m glad data mining your screenshots is the last straw for people.

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      I’ve been screaming about this since I found out Re:CAPTCHA was using us to train AI. We should definitely be compensated.

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        Let me be the Devil’s advocate here.

        You/we (as users) are being compensated by being permitted onto whatever service is being gatekept by Recaptcha. We profit further by having that service not be completely tainted by bots. Sure, recaptcha ain’t even close to perfect and can be easily bypassed, but any barrier of entry is better than none at all.

        Google profits by getting free training for their models.

        And the service provider profits by saving on bandwidth, moderation etc., which in turn benefits the users too in the form of a less degraded service.

        There are many things to dislike about Google and what they are doing to the web. Recaptcha should not even be in your top 100.

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      Too bad he didn’t touch the real issue with Linux for most people: lack of their industry favorite proprietary software.

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        If Linux suddenly started gaining traction on a bigger scale, Microsoft would make a user-facing proprietary distro and those bastards would still flock to it.

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          I’ve been toying with the idea of getting back into Linux for a while now. While I’m still on W10 I’m not rushing, and haven’t installed a TPM Module so Windows doesn’t force W11 on me yet, but when I have no choice that may push my hand. There’s some stuff I find easier on Windows but Linux has really caught up in the past 20 years and I reckon I could daily it in the coming years.

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          Most likely yeah :D After all even the other community got burned by CentOS and decided to move to Ubuntu in mass instead of picking a true open-source distro…

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              It is, but it’s also made by the same company that from time to time likes to add spyware into things… or fork open-source projects and change licenses just because they felt like it. Using Ubuntu on a professional environment has the same risks that using CentOS had, we never know when someone at Canonical will change the license and fuck everyone over.

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        unless youre using Photoshop or Adobe as a senior youre just barking at a tree. Several of those software can be used on linux through Wine or they have a professional direct app. Krita/Gimp/Inkspace, KDEnLive/DavinciResolve, LibreOffice, etc.

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          unless youre using Photoshop or Adobe as a senior youre just barking at tree.

          That’s the point. The problem is that it doesn’t require the user to be senior to run into issues, it just requires them to be a professional user who has to collaborate within an industry that is standardized around some specific propriety software and people expect formats from that specific software.

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              You know its not only Adobe apps… it’s Autodesk, MS Office (because advanced features aren’t available on the web version), Circuit Design Suite (Multisim and Ultiboard) and every other field specific application that isn’t available under Linux or that has alternatives that while viable for an amateur user won’t just cut it if you spend 8h/day within those applications and you’re expected to collaborate with others who also do it.

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                  I’m not saying they don’t, I’m just saying there’s a LOT of people who would love to move to Linux full time but they can’t do to the lack of field-specific software and/or poor results when it comes to Wine or generic virtualization.

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          I wish I could switch to Inkscape, but it’s not there yet.

          It is really good lately and only getting better, but there are 2 major issues I have with Inkscape.

          1. Tabs (as in, tabulation, the \t character) in text objects. You can find workarounds, like splitting your text into multiple objects and aligning them on your canvas, but it’s just not as good as being able to align your text using proper text alignment tools. Tabulation doesn’t work in Inkscape because it’s not in SVG spec, AFAIK.

          2. Object styles. Again, there are workarounds, but they’re not as good. Can you create a text style called “numbering”, use it to number a lot of stuff in your document, then just change font family (or make it italic, or bold) all of the numbers at once by changing the “numbering” style? I don’t think it’s currently possible. Sure, inkscape is not a word processor. But can you make an object of style “banner” with a blue gradient fill, orange 2 px stroke and 50% transparency, use it multiple times, then when you need to change from blue gradient to red gradient just change the “banner” style? Again, there are ways to achieve this, but if you do this kind of stuff, inkscape is just not ready to replace your tools.

          Don’t get me wrong, I really want to switch to FOSS all the way and wait for these things to get implemented. As soon as they’re there, I’ll be the first to make the switch. But it’s not now, unfortunately.

          If I’m wrong, I’ll be happy to stand corrected.

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            Pretty sure there also are 2 features Inkscape/Krita have, that Photoshop doesnt. You know how ridiculous that sounds? Report/request those features, otherwise itll never happen for you.

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          That’s the keyword “most”. Someone who spends 8h/day inside an app (or group of apps) wants it to work 100% of the time at the maximum performance / with the least amount of small glitches, delays and annoyances.

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      I’m not ok with data mining under literally any circumstances. There are some things which just shouldn’t be done.

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    God i wish. And most everyone here could install a new operating system in about 20 minutes. But nobody else is going to because the learning curve for a regular user to install an os is basically perpendicular. Even if they had a linux installer already on a flash drive.

    Oh just boot into the bios and find the option to boot for a flash drive and then boom installed.

    Which requires a user to know, What a bios is

    What booting means

    What boot options mean

    What the model of their flash drive is

    What button on their keyboard they need to press to get to the bios

    What secure boot is

    Where they need to go to turn off secure boot

    How and where to back up their important files

    What a disk partition is

    How to reverse the changes made to the bios so that it doesn’t boot to usb by default.

    And that’s assuming they know why they want a different OS, why they care and that they know about Linux in the first place.

    Most people dont and never will. All you can do is install Linux for the ones you like the most and say a prayer to your favorite deity for the rest.

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      It’s worth noting that the same applies when installing Windows.

      Most people never do that either because it’s already bloated with malware installed on the PC they buy.

      Same with macOS, you buy the hardware with preinstalled software.

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        Absolutely. If Linux was pre installed that’s what people would use. Its the switching to Linux from something else that proves so complicated.

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        Same reason most non technical people using Linux today do so on the Steam Deck. If you want to spread Linux, trying to convince individuals is going about it all wrong.

        You need to convince Canonical or Red Hat to spend more on partnerships with manufacturers. I’m not sure if anyone else has deep enough pockets.

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      That is why Microsoft spent a total of gazillion dollars to have its OS pre-installed on all PCs. We need more PCs with Linux pre-installed. This should be an antitrust issue but I am not knowledgeable enough to say how.

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        Or at least no OS so you don’t have to pay Microsoft a license fee for a spyware OS you will never use.

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      Agreed. All those things in your list are the hardest part of modern linux, if someone gets past the UEFI, BIOS secureboot hurdle the modern GUI experiemce is superior to Windows

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        Most ppl can’t be bothered to install an ad blocker. Microsoft knows ppl will just take whatever they offer.

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        Definitely. I can genuinely say that the autotiling in PopOS completely changed my workflow for the better.

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      Yes.

      Really the hardest part of desktop linux for a regular, so called “internet user”, in the installation.

      They don’t have no clue how to install an operating system, even windows.

      I once installed CentOS workstation for my father on his ThinkPad. Firefox and Libreoffice is all he needs. Automatic updates in the background make sure all the latest security patches are applied. There have been few time when, after the update, the laptop hangs at boot. I’ve since told him to choose the second-to-last boot option from the “start-up menu” until the fix for the bug has been deployed (usually in within a 24h).

      So really using Linux isn’t the hard part. Back in 2004 (ish) I went the painful route of installing my first Linux - Gentoo. But boy I learned a lot from it. Yes, I had a helping friend to get me over the hardest parts.

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      Linux distros have gotten friendlier and with better HW and SW support but PC makers and already established ecosystem have also made customizing more difficult. This means end users are increasingly discouraged to do anything that is not “authorized”, further driving away adoption of alternatives.

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        This is definitely the case. And by the time someone is willing to experiment with their PC its so old that the experience with Linux is hampered by the older hardware.

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      You can watch a 5min video on how to do it. It’s really not rocket science

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        Not all BIOS look the same. Not all computers have the same button to push to enter the BIOS

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          When are we going to riot to have the same button to enter bios setup everywhere? For me personally grinds my gears every time I have a different machine, check the bios boot message like a hawk to get what key I need to press to enter setup (after a while you sort of know by vendor, but for me that should not even be a thing)

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          I test Linux rhetoric on my sister to see what works. She often says Linux sounds so cool and aligns so well with her values but then she says she doesn’t care about computers and goes and buys a $2000 Mac to use as a web browser. It makes no sense to me and it’s hard to find out what will get people to make the jump to Linux.

          She could have tried Linux on her current laptop for free and probably saved $2000 and knew this but instead buys and entirely new laptop and throws out the old one.

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            I agree. I feel like its a personality thing (honestly I feel like its a neurotypical thing, I’m not autistic or anything but definitely divergent) and/or a capitalism thing.

            I don’t like cars, but I learned enough about how cars work to be able to take a functional role in my cars maintenance. Most people don’t do that, whether its a car or computer or whatever else in their life.

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      I’ve said this multiple times in other comments, but what would be amazing is a linux-installer.exe that shows the normal installer wizard with non-techie, beginner, and advanced options that allows installing linux from windows and booting right into it.

      The ultimate goal would be for the desktop environment to have a windows theme by default, have all the alternatives installed for previously installed software with desktop icons that look the same, and all files to be where they were previously. That way you could just say “go to https://windowsupgrade.com / https://linux.install and run the installer” to anybody non-technical and have them running linux in under an hour.

      It should be so simple and unassuming that people don’t even realise they installed linux. If they message back “I ran it, but I’m still on windows”, that’s a success.

      Anti Commercial-AI license

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        That would lower the barrier to entry significantly. It doesn’t address the issues with the bios but someone mildly adventurous would have a much easier time going forward.

        I think something like that would have to be sponsored by and maintained by a big distro though. I’m afraid if it was a community effort the amount of bikeshedding would stop it before it even began.

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          It would completely eliminate the bios issue, would it not? It would prevent them from ever needing to enter the bios at all.

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    I spent too much time with corpo brain rot to give linux a chance on desktop and realize it’s how I’d always imagined proper computing would be. It changed my outlook on the world when I finally did and it’s liberating (much libre. Very wow). Glad to see more and more people catching on to the possibility of a better future.

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      it really is crazy how different it feels to use a linux pc after being conditioned to think that windows is just how using a computer is. the way i relate it to my friends is that using windows feels like i’m constantly compromising with the computer, but using linux i own my computer and it works for me - not the other way around.

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    I’ve been 100% on Linux since July of last year. I thought I was currently having my first major Linux fucked up situation that I just could not figure out this weekend.

    It has been very depressing, after trying to convince friends and family to give Linux a chance and keep an open mind for months, I was beginning to feel like a fraud and a liar.

    But, after hours of software troubleshooting turning up nothing I’ve discovered I’m in the early stages of a dying ssd… My first major problem, and it’s hardware related. It sucks but it is also a relief in a weird way.

    And I’m finding out about it way earlier than I likely would have in windows thanks to btrfs. But it’s also funny because if I had been having similar issues in windows I probably would have ran hardware diag much sooner, but because I’m still a bit of a Linux newbie I assumed I broke my OS and wasted hours troubleshooting software.

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      If you’re running btrfs, you can send live snapshots to another btrfs volume on another drive, or use Timeshift which will do it for you amd keep track of expiring old copies. Clonezilla is OK for when you are able to take the system down entirely.

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        My install does use btrfs (but unfortunately since I reused the other drives they are still ntfs formatted) and it does regular snapshots, but to the same drive. It isn’t completely borked yet so I’m hopeful I can “clone” to a new drive and rma the bad one (10 months old so should still have mfr warranty). I’ve used clonezilla in the past but had read it doesn’t support btrfs, maybe that info is outdated? I did see some promising tools for doing basically the same job through btrfs though. I planned to work on salvaging what I can tonight. Worst case scenario, all my personal files are synced to a cloud storage service so I’d just be out installed programs and configs if I have to reinstall from fresh.

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          Do a block copy, takes longer but it should handle pretty Mich any filesystem. Downside is I don’t think you resize on the target.

          You could also put the new drive in, target Time shift to it and let it buck. Then pull your old drive out and let it boor to the new one, see how that goes.

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          Clonezilla, last I checked like a decade ago, can do a block by block copy and save an entire disk as an image. If it doesn’t support btrfs, I assume that just means for things like reading and writing a disk image backup, not the disk/block device itself

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      It’s always a good idea to take regular images if you have the capacity for it. Clonezilla is what I like to use since it’s free and has good support

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    I was about to post this video, lmao. But this man still thinks Linux is difficult and not easy to use. When in fact its become way easier than running Windows Linux. Linux has surpassed Windows and Mac on the Desktop usability in the last 2 years. And it just keeps getting better.

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      But this man still thinks Linux is difficult and not easy to use

      He explicitly said that it was incredibly easy to get set up on old hardware and that everything he did just worked.

      All of his reasons why Linux is hard to use he specifically framed in the context of “historically speaking Linux was bad but now Linux is good”

      Were you even paying attention?

      That said, if you’ve ever tried to pair a controller with Linux that isn’t a PS5 or Xbox controller it will be rough. Had to use the CLI to change Bluetooth configs and install non standard drivers to support it on Mint

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          Same with my Stadia controller - funnily enough, Windows is the one that required me to purchase some third party software to be able to use it wired or wireless…

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      I’ve come to realize the Linux basics are actually a lot easier to learn compared to Windows and MacOS, the hard part is un-learning the old ways and habits of doing things. Like if one day everyone on earth forgot how to use operating systems, I’d bet Linux would probably be the one that catches on. It’s only because we’re so used to the idiosyncrasies of stuff like Windows that it feels more natural.

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      If you’ve been using Windows for decades, Linux is absolutely not easier to use. Troubleshooting Windows for me is super easy and nowadays I hardly have to troubleshoot at all. It kinda just works™. Troubleshooting Linux as a noob is absolutely atrocious and I’ve always run into a problem with Linux within the first couple of weeks.

      That said, I wish I grew up using Linux, so it’d be second nature to me. I really would like to ditch Windows. Problem is, I’m already burnt out from my job, I really don’t have the energy to make the switch yet.

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            basically everything beyond launching itunes/safari/whatever is tucked away in weird non-obvious places. i literally had to have someone show me how to get the list of all apps (it’s called something absolutely baffling that i’ve since forgotten) after clicking on and combing through things for like half an hour. the longest it’s taken me to suss out the same, to get a list of applications, on literally any other OS has been seconds, maybe a minute at longest.

            so yeah, my example is the single most basic thing a user should be able to do in order to use the computer, is so unintuitive on mac that a grown ass adult who is a chronic distro-hopper needed help figuring it out. and god forbid you want to change a setting beyond the wifi, screen brightness, and audio volume.

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      Lol windows is still easier to use unless you use Linux and not windows for a long time.

      I’m using both and there is no comparison for ease of use.

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          Man, fuck editing the registry. The duplicate entries, the non-standard locations, the UI of regedit… I had to dig through it so much when I was supporting a corporate launcher application in a Windows facility. Did the Windows dev decide to write their data into multiple registry entries, an INI file, an environment variable… or maybe all of the above? Find out on the next episode of Fuck My Life!

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          This looks like even more gibberish than regedit to be honest…

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        Windows is harder to use if you used nothing and compare linux with windows.

        I bought my first laptop less than a month ago and started using linux. Its hell to run windows.

        I didn’t have wifi when i bought it and i cant even start it because it needs network-a lot of data. Only since I remember hearing a bypass method, I seatched for it and ran OOTB\BYPASSNRO in CMD to skip online setup. Then there is all kinds of bloatware which uses more than half of the ram. It was too unusual to see apps on your menu and when you tries to open them it starts downloading… Like what the fuck, even a “sponsored” or “reccomended” label is not there. Looks like a normal app. I switched to Fedora the first day!

        Comparing the experiences, KDE was much much smoother and feature complete. Later afyer using it for long, I felt like KDE or linux in general is lacking something, like i want this to be more improved, but i realised I should be greatful to what I have when I booted back to windows… The UX was pathetically worse than KDE. Windows UI is inconsistant as hell which exposes old windows 10/7/(xp?) UIs ocassionaly shows up. You know what? The right click menu has a button which shows the right click menu of windows 10 having the same options💀

        There is more. When i search something, it shows web result instead of the app i was searching for. It takes 50% of my ram at idle even after removing the McAfee shit and other unnecessary apps. It shows disk read/write operations, network traffic, and cpu usage all the time at idle. The wallpaper looks like low bitrate video(idk why this one hapened, its one of the wallpaper that comes with windows). Advanced settings are same settings but from an old windows version. I disabled animations so that windows may be a bit more faster but turns out the animations were hiding the slowness. Also more you customise, more glitches you have.

        Anyway my experience only involves my laptop and android phone, so no other devices whom doesnt want to support linux, and i have amd hardware

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    there are 400 bajilion how tos on how to install Linux. If you aren’t going to do it then you arent going to do it, enjoy your corporate mandated spyware. I think it was Ben Frankin who said “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little new user ease of use, deserve neither Liberty nor ease of use” or something like that

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      I’ve tried to install Arch on my spare Dell laptop a week or two ago, and failed spectacularly twice in quick succession. I was using the arch wiki, assisted by GPT4 on things that were not clear to me. Just kept running into issue after issue after issue until five hours later I gave up.

      I’ll try again when I have the time.

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          It’s not my first distro. Does Ubuntu and Mint over ten years ago count though? They were easier to install than Windows XP.

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                You could try EndeavourOS, it’s based off Arch, so 99% of the Arch wiki can be directly applied to your system, and the installation process is much more normal with a GUI and a selection of Desktop Environment to choose from.

                The hardest part with Arch is getting the initial setup working imo, so you can put a few more hours trying to install it (if you’re ready to bear the frustration that might come with it) or pick a distro like EndeavourOS with a GUI installer to get a working system quicker.

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                  I second EndeavourOS. Installation is dead simple and it’s given me no issues (that weren’t caused by me tinkering) over the last few months.

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        Most people start off with something a bit easier - Fedora, Mint, Ubuntu. There’s no reason to jump straight into Arch.

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        I just switched using mint as my new OS. It was so easy. My computer runs so much quicker now. All my steam games just work. Feel free to DM me if you need any pointers!

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      I’ve always had some interest in learning more about switching to Linux from Windows and the news lately has made me even more so; however, I have to use Adobe apps every day for work and school, and from what I know, there’s no great compatibility solution for them in Linux, and I don’t have hardware strong enough that I feel confident that they would perform well in Wine/a VM. Not sure what a good solution for my use case would be

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        I know open source office alternative play pretty well with the proprietary file types now, perhaps the same is true for GIMP and whatever other graphicy stuff? Worth looking into.

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          If you have to go back and forth with PSDs, GIMP falls of with layers and such. I had it happen that it basically rolls which ones to open every time on a layer heavy PSD.

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    Mention is made of Resolve, which does work great as a professional grade video editor, and in the next breath codec issues are raised, which are not a Linux issue but proprietary licensing issue.

    For a simple workaround in Mint go to: /home/UserName/.local/share/nemo/scripts

    Create 2 files to convert videos from the right click menu and make them executable in the Permissions:

    #!/bin/bash

    for file; do ffmpeg -i “$file” -c:v dnxhd -profile:v dnxhr_hq -pix_fmt yuv422p -c:a pcm_s16le -f mov “${file%.*}”.mov

    done

    And:

    #!/bin/bash

    for file; do ffmpeg -i “$file” “${file}”.mp4

    done

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      Or buy the full version, which is a one-time purchase and solves the license issue AFAIK

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      Just looked at Resolve and I definitely want to try this out. It almost sounds too good to be true. Anyone here tried it?

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        I’ve used resolve for quite a few things in the past. It’s an excellent editor, way more than most people will need/use in the free version, and exceeds most corporate editing requirements in the paid version.

        Blackmagic Design bought it to have a video editing suite they could tie to their hardware, which I would call similar in design approach. It’s inexpensive for what it does, works really well, but isn’t the top of the line for broadcast.

        Most corporate broadcast (think like a bank or something having its own small recording studio, rather than the major broadcasting companies) will leverage BMD at some point in their workflow.

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          Cool. Yea I saw all of the hardware they’re pushing and that’s what made me wonder what’s going on there. I use professional grade software for work but I’d like to have more professional features for home too without the high cost of entry.

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            BMD bought Resolve maybe 15 years ago now, but the support is not limited to BMD hardware. It was more of a way for them to ensure BMD hardware support in a video editor at the time. Personally I have their web presenter and an older model of their TV studio kit at home (long story), but I also have a variety of other hardware, all of which works just fine with Resolve.

            I’m using Resolve on the regular for my VHS conversions, though some tasks would be easier with the premium instead of the free version, I just fill in with ffmpeg or other tools and move on.

            Just FYI, the download will ask for an email/name/etc, but the download starts right away, so you don’t need to actually give any PII out to get it.

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    I’ve always been familiar with Linux and tech but always used windows cause gaming. Last week I stripped all my drives and set up dual boot to daily drive Linux with a windows fallback for whatever I might need windows for.

    Fedora was up and running in no time.

    Win 11, I had to jump through the hoops to avoid logging in, it doesn’t label your drives like Linux does so you have to guess or cross reference somehow, twice as many reboots, pages of data settings.

    So glad to finally be going Linux ❤️