It is disturbing how many people here do the thing the meme is ridiculing.
https://www.queeringthemap.com/
Living in fear and dying alone, my actual nightmare, and what makes me so merciless in how I view rural conservatives stateside.
They’ll see this shit and think it’s just desserts. Then they’ll tell their kids about it, and some of those kids are gonna lay awake wondering how they could ever hope to get out of knowing their parents unwittingly believe they should be murdered for existing.
If I were gay in Gaza, I’d probably be killed by an Israeli civilian-targeting missile strike
Something people who say that don’t seem to understand is that you can support a group of peoples right to exist and not be genocided, even if they would kill you in a different situation. Human rights aren’t conditional on how they would treat you in return.
Applying moral standards as a condition to not murder someone is rather hypocritical.
Especially since those standards have only been mainstream for 20-30 years.
You sooner or later be a dead gay in Gaza.
I’m just speculating here, but I guess even for the LGBTQ+ community there, not being shot dead or starved is the more pressing concern atm.
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Gay folks in Gaza were among some of the folks that would routinely go to the desert venue that Hamas attacked on the 7th because the morality police wouldn’t be able to drag them off during performances or for being open at the festivals.
Only other place they could go to know a taste of that freedom was Turkey.
Still makes the israeli soldiers shooting at them and bombing them the biggest most proximate threat to their ability to live openly right now.
It’s a legitimate complaint. In my part of Canada we have several pride parades led by pro-Palestinian groups, which is absurd not only because there are no Palestinians in it, but because nearly everybody in the parade would be persecuted in Palestine. A trans rights group I’ve been involved in for a while had a faction break away because we weren’t pro-Palestine enough (whatever that means).
I support the creation of a Palestinian state, but queer support of that cause must come with support of queer people in Palestine, rather than pretending they don’t exist.
Edit: also, nice nose on that comic. Time to check OP’s post history…The reason trans groups openly support Palestine is because Israel is actively involved in Pinkwashing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkwashing_(LGBT). AKA Using gay people as an excuse to commit ethnic cleansing.
By taking away that shield Israel loses social support. Also noteworthy is that gay marriage is banned in Israel.
The status of queer people in Palestine has nothing to do with Israel. There is absolutely nothing preventing Palestinians from stopping their persecution of their queer brothers and sisters. Deflections like yours are exactly part of the problem - you are throwing queer Palestinians under the bus just to fuel your crusade against Israel. What you are doing is actively harmful to LGBTQ+ rights.
If it has nothing to do with Israel why do so many Zionists bring it up gay Palestinians in their debates?
Do you believe Israel genuinely cares about gay Palestinians?
Edit: Also Israel gave Hamas suitcases with cash to keep them in power. So you are wrong about Israel not being complicit. Palestinians have no self-governance because huge outside powers keep meddling in their affairs.
If it has nothing to do with Israel why do so many Zionists bring it up gay Palestinians in their debates?
It’s convenient for them to do so. It makes them hypocrites, but broken clock etc.
Do you believe Israel genuinely cares about gay Palestinians?
No, but again, what does that have to do with the way Palestinians treat their own?
Edit: Also Israel gave Hamas suitcases with cash to keep them in power. So you are wrong about Israel not being complicit. Palestinians have no self-governance because huge outside powers keep meddling in their affairs.
This is true, but I have yet to see any indication that self-rule would improve the lot of queer Palestinians. Their countrymen are overwhelmingly against them, and that is unacceptable. I don’t care about religion or arbitrary lines drawn on a map — I care about human rights.
Palestinians are actively being exterminated in a genocide. Their right to life should not be contingent on anything. Neither should one’s opposition to genocide.
Did you reply to the wrong person? Because this doesn’t appear to have anything to do with what I said.
You said that queer support of a Palestinian state should be contingent on their tolerance of gayness.
That’s a pretty creative interpretation of what I said. Whether a person is queer or not should not affect their support for a Palestinian state. My comment was specifically regarding the championing of Palestine in the context of a pride parade without also explicitly calling out the plight of queer Palestinians, something I have not seen any of them do. Without that, it’s akin to a workers’ rights march promoting the UAE.
It’s not though. Because of the slaughter. The slaying of beings. You forgot about the indiscriminate technological ending of human lives using unstoppable weapons that target civilians. There’s a racial killing arena that you forgot. Almost there
We’ve been over this, normal people don’t question the nose size of their wojak memes
Thanks for the source on that. It’s still questionable to choose it for this context specifically, but I crossed out my statement.
There are queer people in Gaza and they are being bombed just like everyone else.
Sadly, no need to go that far: black people forced to live in the “Al abeed” neighborhood (i will let you search what it means). Being jew or white foreigner makes you a target.
This is how their society evolved on their own, they have not been forced onto this path of intolerance… They could have rejected Hamas and Iran influence a long time ago. They did not…
Yeah sure, what is happening is sad, mainly for the kids. But if i had to choose between stopping this shit show or saving one child from infantile cancer, i would choose the child. And if god exists (how ironic it would be), he would too.
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1720057376823234752
People telling her to shut up are not Hamas, but regular palestinian…
To me, it sounds like you are expressing that you think that the “regular” Palestinians are supportive of Hamas.
Have you considered that they tell her to shut up because they don’t want her to make herself the target of Hamas?
Have you considered that if most of palestinian dont want Hamas they could stop/kill them easily? Two millions people against maybe maximum 10 000… Moreover they know who they are and where they hide (among the population)
Like in Russia, most are supportive of this terrorist state…
Hahaha if that calculation worked anywhere there would be no billionaires, no dictatorships, no people would be oppresed and the proletariat would rule every country… Hell we wouldn’t even pay rent.
1 small organized group with funding and power > all the disorganized masses
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I dunno what history you’ve been reading but a peasant mob against the aristocracy and all their armed bodyguards tends to not end well for the peasants.
To be fair, depends on what your perspective is. A person in/after the french revolution, might didn’t have the best time, I mean… In the revolution, a lot of people died and afterwards we talk about a time called the reign of terror for a reason. But as a completely detached spectator, and the power of hindsight, you might think that the little man won against the rich.
So from a completely detached perspective with no real threat to anything which is meaningful to oneself, one might conclude that the little man has won in the past and would win again. It ain’t your price to pay, you know.
Yes and being a woman there is also terrible, it’s a good thing they’re only slaughtering the civilians that oppress others and not the victims of oppression too.
I don’t even understand how this moral calculation makes sense in any consistent moral system.
Are you saying you approve of the genocide on adults to the point that it trumps the hundreds of thousands of innocent kids’death surplus if you choose the cancer kid?
Would you apply this same logic of your own country or is it just because it’s far away and maybe you don’t care so much for brown people?
For those out of the loop, Gaza still persecutes lgbtq people, up to 10 years in jail per “incident” of having queer sex.
Theres also been a few vigilante murders of lgbtq people.
Just because they massacred 1200 people and started a war they couldnt finish does not mean that theyre nice people.
The meme is about generalising and grouping all Gazans under the same labels to justify the genocide. It’s racist and covers up their struggle.
There LGBTQ Gazans, there are handicapped Gazans, there are racist Gazans, there are homophobic Gazans, there are straight Gazans, etc.
They’re human beings with their flaws and qualities, and regardless of their views, they shouldn’t endure whatever the fuck Israel is doing to them. Nobody should, ever.
There arent any lgbtq people in gaza, they either escaped or theyre dead.
Try again.
You’re either a troll or a moron but I’ll bite.
LGBTQ people represent roughly 10% of the world population, a lot of them either don’t know about it yet or identified it and are not “out”.
So no, LGBTQ people are not either all dead or out of Gaza, that’s just an ignorant and moronic take, even more so when trying to justify a genocide.
Zionist sociopath detected
On Lemmy you can either be antisemite or zionist, there seems to be nothing in between.
What if I told you Hamas and the Israeli government both suck?
That’s a ban on ml lol
Nuanced opinions aren’t allowed on the internet.
I would say that is a rational take that I see posted on lemmy about as often as I see people posting in favor of Isreal or Palestine. The only opinion I don’t think I’ve seen anyone express is pro-Hamas although I have seen a lot of zionists claiming that people have.
Yes, I think we shouldnt kill 7 million Jews. Apparently that makes me a sociopath according to a rando on lemmy
Nobody is talking about killing 7 million Jews. Your hypothetical feelings of victimhood is being used to justify an actual genocide.
What do you think happens to the people of Israel if they simply give up?
Hint: Gaza is 99% Sunni Muslim for a reason.
I’d like to jump in and ask a genuine counter question:
- What do you believe is the cause of Hamas’ existence?
I don’t know enough to answer. So I googled it.
“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.” (Preamble)
https://embassies.gov.il/holysee/AboutIsrael/the-middle-east/Pages/The Hamas-Covenant.aspx
Here’s the link I went to.
I’ll address your source in a moment, but I was more aiming for what socio-political conditions might cause a group like Hamas to decide they need to take the action they have taken.
Hamas exists due to the (as of today) 3/4 of a century of oppression that the Palestinians have been subjected to as a result of the creation of Israel after WW2. When the was ended, it was decided that the European Jewish population needed a safe region, so the British and Zionists (reminder that Zionists are often christians and that the creation of Israel was a “biblical prophecy”) pushed the Palestinians out of their homes to create Israel, the land for which was forcibly partitioned and claimed as a result of a funded war. Many Palestinians still have the keys for the homes they were forced out of.
This isnt even detailing the 1967 repartitioning, or the long standing and repeated mistreatment of people within the open air prison that is the Gaza strip and the Palestinian permitted areas of the west bank, or many, many other things.
Hamas is the result of decades of oppression and dismissal of the Palestinian people.
Now, regarding your link, yes, this is the 1988 hamas covenant(it was softened a little in 2017) and I dont really care about it in regards to whether or not Israel should be carrying out its actions. I posed this hypothetical to another user but I’ll shorten it to restate it here:
Hamas has done terrible, terrible things. During WW2, the Nazi’s claimed that the Jewish people had done, or were planning things of a similar nature, in order to justify the “necessity of the holocaust”(not a quote, just wanted to make clear that it wasnt my sentiment). If there were groups of Jewish people who had done things like Hamas has done, would that justify the holocaust? If you answer correctly (correct answer is “no it wouldn’t”) then why do the actions of Hamas seemingly justify the indiscriminate and unceasing killing of Palestinian civilians?
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Hatred using religion as an excuse mainly
Or maybe it’s the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948 by Europeans and the subsequent 76 years of colonial apartheid and brutality.
Hamas is literally an Arabic acronym for “the party of resistance”
So, what @Mrkawfee@lemmy.world said is correct.
The existence of Hamas, and their inexcusable actions, are a direct consequence of Israel’s militaristic apartheid and colonial oppression of the Palestinian people.
Hypothetical: If there was record from mid-WW2 of Jewish resistance fighters committing actions against the German population that are of the same nature as what Hamas does to Israel today, would that have made the oppression and violent action of the Nazis valid? Or would that be a distasteful, yet potentially necessary reaction to the conditions that they were subjected to?
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