Summary
“It’s simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago,” said Samuel Negron, a Pennsylvania state constable and member of the large Puerto Rican community in the city of Allentown.
Donald Trump achieved a decisive victory over Kamala Harris, capturing key demographics that traditionally supported Democrats. He gained substantial support from white working-class voters, saw a 14-point increase among Latino voters, and performed better than expected with younger voters, especially men.
Economic concerns, particularly inflation, were central to Trump’s appeal, with voters across states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin favoring his promises of lower prices and stricter immigration policies.
Harris struggled to retain support in diverse and working-class areas, as voters blamed Democrats for economic hardships.
Trump voters are stupid and have poor memories.
Except for the ones who are just plain evil.
4 years ago…in the height of COVID?
You know you won’t be given a phone call or sent a new driver’s license or something when we’ve entered idiocracy. You’ll just wake up one day and be in it. And that one day was about two days ago.
Welcome to Costco, I love you.
Idiocracy would be an upgrade, it has a president who listened to people smarter than himself.
I can’t believe you like money too. We should hang out.
All of this is stressing me out… i’m going to Starbucks.
I could really use an adult latte right about now.
Relax, ICE may empty their facilities, bit life will go on as normal. The rule of law will prevail.
lol as Trumps court cases are dismissed
The rule of law is basically nonexistent
That’s why every bank has been robbed , chaos in the streets, oh the humanity lol ok sure
As a Latino, I’m gonna mother fuck and cuss out any Latino I meet who voted Trump.
Latino for Trump here.
Is this the line for the free tears?
No the tears are when you forget to bring your ID for a walk around the neighborhood and end up in a concentration camp
Don’t forget your ID, I’d hate to see you end up sharing a tent with all of those “bad hombres”
Good luck! ;)
Oh you! Always worrying about me!
While I appreciate the concern, nothing like that is going to happen. You know why? Because all of this fear mongering is just that: fear mongering!
You know how I know it’s all fear mongering? Don’t you worry! I did all the hard work for you: I did the research! And I brought receipts!!™
You see kids, denaturalization is a process that has been in place since the early 1900s. It is used to revoke the citizenship of people who really REALLY shouldn’t be here. We are talking Terrorist, Russian spys, Nazis (like, actual Nazis from WWII, not just people who don’t agree with you politically in the year 2024). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denaturalized_former_citizens_of_the_United_States)
I feel this is a worthy use of our tax dollars! I mean, you want to deport Nazis and Russian spys, right?
“But, Awesomo!” (you whine), “Trump is going to go after all the innocent “brown people”!”(brown people© Democrats 2006)
Hmmm…I don’t know. Will he really? If only we had some sort of historical data to back up this totally baseless claim……
Ooops! We do have data! (though it doesn’t support the claim AT ALL) You see, Trump was already President once. And everyone is claiming that he came down with an Iron Fist the first go-round. Turns out only 4 people, let me repeat that: 4 PEOPLE total, were denaturalized under President Trump. And guess what? Those 4 people were a terrorist, a LITERAL Nazi, and a couple of war criminals. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denaturalized_former_citizens_of_the_United_States)
Hell, President Obama (the great and powerful and o-so-cool) denaturalized 8 people during his terms! And again, these were (undeniably) undesirable people.
So you see, you don’t need to worry your pretty little head about me. I (like every other US citizen that migrated here and isn’t a Nazi or Terrorist) have NOTHING to be afraid of.
Hugs and kisses!
Yup. I live in the FSA (fucked states of america), am latina and I know a few of those fuckers. Beyond disappointing
Your energy would be better spent blaming the politicians for not advocating policies that cater to the worried and concerns of voters
Do you really think people who casted their votes this way are blameless?
The Democrats have their fair share of responsibility for not dealing with the reality of what they have to work with and advocating better positions and trying to solve their problems. Significant blame.
But that doesn’t make Trump voters or non-voters not culpable for cutting off their nose to spite their face. It’s still wildly ignorant at best and evil at worst.
It’s simple, really. You and your loved ones will be the first to be tossed on buses when they start collecting people. Enjoy 😊
^ no I’m not remotely happy about this. But I guess people gotta find out that hard way.
No you don’t understand, they’re the good ones who came here legally. Nevermind all the rest.
No but realistically, it would be logistically impossible to round up eleven million people.
No but realistically, it would be logistically impossible to round up eleven million people.
laughs in Holocaust numbers
laughs in Holocaust numbers
lol immigrants have guns and border employees are not ready to die for trumps ideology.
Who says it needs to be government employees?
I’m sure there’s plenty of militias out there who would be happy to do all this rounding up for Trump, once he gives them a wink and a nod. Wouldn’t even need to pay them.
Well citizens and militias would have no legal authority. So yeah. Go to the park, go in nature. Lemmy is really trying hard to out some doom-scape ideals.
Also: THEY ARE NOT READY TO DIE FOR THIS.
Forget about Jan. 6th 2021 already? I don’t recall any legal authority there and yet it still happened.
Also, we’ve had bounty programs in the past for populations of people.
Yeah, perfect example, 1 person shot and the roaches scattered. Also the Capitol police were there so……
Bounty Programs in the past, let’s keep the discussion within the realm of possibility
How the fuck can they say it was better 4 years ago. Do they mean right before Covid hit? Right before people lost their jobs and the dumbass politicized an illness? Right before people couldn’t get baby formula? Right before people started fighting for fucking toilet paper? Before people started dying?
Dumb, dumb motherfuckers. You won’t be at the table, you’re going to be on the table, a table you built, and torn apart with knives you sharpened. You dumb fucks.
Everyone ignores that Trump took a booming economy and turned it into almost a recession on his first term.
Covid covered it up while he completely fucked up handling it too. He made it far far worse than doing nothing and hiding in a bunker. He actively withheld medical aid and caused countless deaths.
But somehow he has over 50m supporters instead of a jail cell.
I honestly don’t know how this country can recover when the right can drown out facts and rewrite history with lies.
I think Trump bullshits well, then inherited good economy and whatnot from Obama, started canceling all that shit, which Biden then has been trying to fix and now Trump gets it again.
Policies take time to show and that’s something these people didn’t account for, imo.
Dumb, dumb motherfuckers.
Hard agree.
The trump economy had a decent distance to fall for most people. The whole regime was a clusterfuck, but it was only starting to hit the majority of people in 2019. That was massively overshadowed by the pandemic which many people don’t realize how much worse we handled it than other countries like France and Vietnam. Well now that we just barely touched a soft landing for his fuck ups they’re about to see how bad his economic policies are. We’re gonna get fucked in the ass but unable to afford lube
I can’t wait until we get to 2028 so we can talk about how eggs are more expensive than they are now. Oh wait, that only happens when democrats are in office
Basically, people are dumb and think that the current economic situation reflects only current policy, whereas in reality it takes several years for a policy to affect the economy significantly. I mean i don’t have any love for Biden, but the fact that the inflation started at the end of Trump’s presidency and continued into Biden’s was due primarily to Trump policy. The fact that it slowed finally is due to Biden policy, but now that Trump is taking over, he’ll take responsibility and immediately go back to policy that breaks the economy again, but only at the end of his term. This is one reason he’s unlikely succeed for long if he to tries to seize power illegally and would have been way worse off if he had won his second term. His policy effects would be under his watch. Also why single term presidents are often less reviled than two term ones historically.
Reading that article is a serious indictment of economic literacy in the United States. People don’t understand what role the president plays in the economy, what causes inflation, or how and why interest rates change. They draw really superficial causal links and don’t think about it after that; it’s fact to them.
It’s reasons like this education may be the single most critical issue, since we can’t make progress on the climate or anything else if the population is incapable of critical thinking. I hate to say it like this because it feels patronizing, but Jesus fucking Christ.
They didn’t gut the public educational system on accident, things are functioning as designed.
A few weeks ago a poor POC came up to me trying to convince me to vote Trump because “Trump will put money in your pocket”
I asked him what he meant by that, thinking his reasoning would be tax cuts or inflation. Alas, his reasoning was that he thought the COVID stimulus checks came from Trump’s personal wealth and that him winning the presidency again would mean we would get more.
It was when I noticed the other people around me agreeing with him that I knew we were doomed. What can man do against such reckless ignorance?
You should have vomited all over him like in that stand by me movie, causing everyone else around you to vomit all over everyone else.
This was unfortunately a missed opportunity for you.
That’s by design.
“It’s simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago,”
You liked living in a crumbling economy riddled with mass unemployment and caused by a fumbled pandemic response that resulted in thousands of preventable deaths? Because that’s where we were 4 years ago. That’s the economy Trump gave us the first time.
resulted in thousands of preventable deaths
Millions, and it’s still climbing thanks in large part to his decision to politicize public health.
Trump’s policy was just juicing the system for short term gain which can go on for quite a while in good times but when you’re at 0% interest already at the START of a pandemic and economic crisis it’s obvious you’ve been much too irresponsible with the economy.
just a reminder. interest rates at the end of obamas last term where 3 or 4 percent and not zero the way they were when covid hit. I recall someone on tv complaining a lot about the fed trying to ruin his economy.
It turns out that trying to fix a problem is more memorable than causing said problem. Interesting, but not terribly surprising given the long running joke that American voters have very short attention spans
I’m calling it. The Fed will start gradually lowering its interest rates down to near 0 as the stock market booms with cheap money. The news will show troubling social and geopolitical problems that will be quickly swept over by the latest Dow Jones and S&P 500 values getting to absurd heights. People will start grumbling about the nation’s problems again while Trump will say it’s the “Deep State” causing all of this and pointing the finger at Democrats and undocumented immigrants.
Inflation starts to spike again at the start of the 4th year of Trump’s presidency. Even more people will start to go homeless as the average monthly cost of a 1 bedroom apartment soars to $3k. If Trump is still “healthy”, the Supreme Court will declare a sitting president can hold on to power during times of emergency and cancel US elections.
given the china tarrifs it might be one of those faster than expected thing.
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“It’s simple, really, I’m just a piece of shit who doesn’t give a fuck about anyone but myself and I’m dumb enough to think that our beloved Leader won’t fuck us when he starts fucking the rest of the country”
More like “it’s simple really. I’m spending $1 more on eggs than I did during a pandemic, so I’m gonna vote for the person taking photos with breakfast food”
I’m not sure how much this explains the Latino vote, but I heard some pundit yesterday make a halfway decent point about how a $1 increase hits harder when you live in a rural area where wages tend to be lower to begin with.
Yeah. But wages are low because they refuse to address any sort of wage legislation too. They keep kicking themselves in the dick and then wonder why their crotch hurts.
It must be the taxes! You know, the ones they either already don’t pay or wouldn’t pay if they could read literally any details about the proposed tax.
The taxes, set by the Trump administration in 2017, that somehow (fucking idiots) never got on their radars. You know, since they were worried about taxes, or money so much…
People have a hierarchy of needs. If they can’t eat correctly while working, they’ll put “democracy” and ”rights” (even their own) after their stomach… and it’s understandable. Of course Trump will bring no solution but Harris even proposed no solution.
Other than lower taxes and the historical democratic interest in the minimum wage?
“It’s simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago,” said Samuel Negron, a Pennsylvania state constable and member of the large Puerto Rican community in the city of Allentown.
His buddy called your homeland garbage.
He didn’t give a shit.
Things were absolute shit four years ago. Do these people have amnesia? The economy during the beginning of the Trump presidency was great because of Obama. Trump quickly fucked that up and ended his presidency with a near collapse of our economy.
These people are idiots.
I personally was a big fan of the death and unmitigated disaster surrounding the fumbling of COVID-19. Another big highlight was the 2020 election interference as well. This is what our country deserves, pretty soon reality is gonna hit all of us and we’ll know we fucked up.
I wonder how many of these are second generation immigrants. I’m very much generalizing here, but they can frequently be some of the most “fuck you got mine” people throughout history (like, a lot of Irish and Italian Americans second generations voted for all sorts of racist douchebags up and down the eastern seaboard in the 1960s-1990s, I think a similar thing happened with German Americans and Polish Americans in the Midwest).
I have never understood that. My dad was an immigrant and he always told me about how I should be grateful for where I lived (which I somewhat was until Wednesday morning) and welcoming to people like him who came here from different places. He always said he was “American by choice” and felt that was a choice that was important to offer to others.
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I’m not sure if school failed you or you’re just not an American, but either way: Puerto Rico is part of the USA.
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I have no idea what you’re talking about.
I’m talking about this.
Calm your tentacles your gonna ink yourself. Its real simple im trying to explain the low IQ thought process. Puerto Rico is an island, they speak Spanish. If you were born there it’s your homeland. Maybe you grow up and think the opportunity is less than ideal. Sometimes in jokes people say exaggerations and use imagery to help convey a message or punchline. Then you travel to the USA mainland to make a better life for your family.
Congratulations you agree have migrated and agree with people who don’t have your best interest at heart.
the garbage homeland
Puerto Rico is not garbage
I haven’t been, but my parents went maybe 20 years ago and they told me that San Juan is kind of run down but that the island as a whole is beautiful.
Which is what I would have expected to hear and it sure doesn’t sound like garbage to me.
“We saw a huge difference when Trump was president,” Dietzler said, adding that he was drawn to Trump’s embrace of former Democrats like Robert F Kennedy Jr
These people are morons. And they’re happy about it.
Welcome to America
To be fair I notice a huge difference when trump was president and it determined how I voted.
Same. That’s why I voted for Harris
zactly
Gee, what didn’t we have yet four years ago? Oh, that’s right, a global pandemic shutdown and the resulting stimulus. Definitely the fault of the Dems.
Dumb people: BuT STiMuLUS cHeCKS!
We liked the way things were four years ago,
Apparently I am the one who has been living in an alternative reality for the past eight years.
All the headlines today are about how the democrats screwed up. What I have not seen discussed is how in the everlivingingfuck any person could possibly vote for Trump. There was nothing good about his presidency. By all measures, he was one of the worst presidents in American history (while Biden was one of the best in modern times).
We all, myself included, need an education about what the president does and how they can impact kitchen table economics. I mean, I find it hard to grasp that people would vote for Trump just because the cost of bread is up while ignoring the pages of lies, indictments, convictions, rapes, bankruptcies, coup attempts, impeachments, not to mention hate speech. I hope people still don’t have the belief that the US president has any substantial impact on gas prices. The economic efforts of the Biden administration have fixed everything that Trump screwed up.
I still don’t think people know what inflation is. And while we all have the world’s information in our pockets, no-one cares enough to look it up. Inflation goes up because the demand for goods is higher than the supply - meaning either we were buying too much crap and/or there were environmental variables decreasing supply. Inflation happened because of the government stimulus checks, supply chain issues, and disease spread across livestock - it’s a feature, not a bug. I get that all they care about is their grocery store bill but a basic understanding of economic policy would go a really long way. The Democratic policies, past and proposed, put consumer (and livestock) protections in place to prevent or minimize price gouging and monopolies and supply chain disruptions. The Republicans fight these bills because it would cut profits for corporations. Voting for a Republican is a vote for less regulation - it’s the regulations that keep prices down. Unfortunately, government moves slow AF so a lot of times these regulations don’t have an impact until the next president’s term.
By all accounts, Trump is going to drain our wallets. I am terrified. I haven’t had a raise in over ten years. I don’t really have a skill set that can transfer well to other companies. I’m a renter with an amazing landlord (relatively cheap rent) but I was hoping to buy a house sometime in my lifetime. What Trump has proposed is going to substantially raise the prices of good and services. The Republican agenda is to strip the country of public services and make them private enterprises - raising the cost of living for everyone. I really don’t know what I’m going to do for the next four years.
It’s not the faulty of Democrats. It’s the fault of the media and capitalism. It’s the fault of crumbling journalism as people choose hot take emotional rage bait over educating themselves to understand why we are where we are. It’s the fault of the DNC and RNC being too powerful and their fight against reasonable elections such as RCV or STAR voting. It’s the fault of corporations controlling congress. The conspiracy that no one wants to acknowledge is that we’re moving towards a country that is privately owned by a handful of billionaires.
People are tired of corporate stooge politicians. Trump only cares about himself even more than he cares about his donors. This makes him look unique and populist. Folks like Kamala are straightforward and honest about advocating for policies their corporate and dark money pac contributors support
The problem I have is that Trump’s entire agenda to make Americans poorer and corporations richer is right out there in the open. He’s going to dismantle the federal agencies, make the states do it themselves, or make them into corporate enterprise. At the same time, he’s increasing the costs of imports from China. There’s no way this ends well for Americans’ wallets.
Could you tell me one or two of these policies Harris’ contributors support?
The Republican agenda is to strip the country of public services and make them private enterprises
Feedback from an European country : everything privatised in the last 15 years became more expensive for a worse quality of service. Belgian electricity market, phone, France electricity, etc …
That’s what always happens. Profit motive ruins nearly everything.
thing with the us is no one seems to remember things even a few years back and when you privatize, if done in the proper robber baron way the us does it, you gut the infrastructure value such that early on it can be cheaper as the private sector does not bother to invest into it but run it into the ground and then when its gone to the point they have to repair it the prices skyrocket.
The conspiracy that no one wants to acknowledge is that we’re moving towards a country that is privately owned by a handful of billionaires.
We’re already there. Their prized pig already swindled the uneducated voters, and their “brave opposition” fulfilled their role by constantly seeking failure. The U.S. was sold in 2010. It’s been owned for so long that the masks can start coming off now.
Don’t forget the simple greed from the corps.
I feel better seeing at least one person posting like I have. Im not the only one.
This right here…
The left is desperately trying to hijack the narrative and steer blame away from themselves.
Like it matters, this is like being proud of wearing subscreen after you launched a nuke on yourself.
“Why haven’t we ever had a serious left-wing in this country?” “I mean, because obviously the left are absolute fucking morons.”
Y’all can be furious with this guy if you want, but he’s probably the most important person to be listening to. The block that determines elections has always been the sizable mass of extremely low information voters who don’t have any strong political affiliations and vote mainly because of some vague sense of civic duty.
They aren’t interested in economic and foreign policy debates. They don’t care about intangibles like democratic norms and the rule of law. They don’t want to hear your class analysis or how qualified you are to give it. The only question they’re considering is “Has life been going well for me and the people in my community that I care about?” That’s it. It’s a vibe check.
Good vibes? Vote for those in power. Bad vibes? Vote against those in power.
This is the voter you need to convince if you want to win.
the sizable mass of extremely low information voters
If this was the 1920s you’d have a point. Hell, the 1950s, 60’s even.
It’s 2024. There’s a huge mass of information in every square inch of the world now. There’s no excuse for being so goddamned stupid.
“Out here, you pay $5 for a dozen eggs. It used to be $1, or even 99 cents,” Mr Negron added. “A lot of us have woken up, in my opinion, from Democratic lies that things have been better. We realised things were better then.”
Listen to that fucking garbage. “Democratic lies” “We realised things were better then”. That’s right wing media copypasta if there ever was any.
Absolute fucking shitheaded moron fuck who’s screwed us all to ingratiate himself with nazis.
Like I said, be mad if you want. Doesn’t change anything. His vote still counts the same as mine and everybody else’s. You still live in a world where you need that guy to be on your side. You can either shout at the wind that the world isn’t the way you think it should be or figure out how to improve the world that is actually in front of you.
Absolute fucking shitheaded moron fuck who’s screwed us all to ingratiate himself with nazis.
Guy isn’t trying to ingratiate himself with anybody. He just told you what he was trying to do—make the world better for himself and his family. In particular, he wants to spend less on groceries. Low information voters might not be able to connect the dots between supreme court nominations, monetary policy, and broad economic trends, but they will unfailingly notice they’re spending 20% more on groceries than they did four years ago. You want to point out that it’s not the Democrats fault inflation ballooned out of control? I’m right there with you. I voted that way in Pennsylvania. That guy doesn’t care. He voted the other way because he wants cheaper groceries and as far as he can tell, Democrats didn’t get it done. Calling him a moron and Nazi ally isn’t going to change that.
I fish a lot. I fish with blue collar types and run in circles with fishing guides. I know a fishing guide who spends 8-12 hours per day on the water, something like 200 days per year with clients and many others just scouting so he can put clients on more fish. He has a part time retail job for the days he’s not fishing. He doesn’t doom scroll all day, and probably only gets a few minutes to scroll Instagram or Twitter in the evening before he goes to sleep because he’s up before sunrise driving to spots and loading his raft/gear into the water and pulling everything out to wash it in the evening. Sometimes he drives over an hour to fish, sometimes he stays overnight in certain areas. He doesn’t really read the news, he only interacts with a handful of other fishing guides and fishermen, he works two jobs, and that’s it.
I also fish with another guy in construction management. He’s on site most days, probably doom scrolls a little bit. He’s a relatively smart guy, savvy on niche musical genres and other really weird technical topics, but not educated at all and never graduated college. He’s kinda engaged but not really, and he does pretty well to filter all the political stuff out so he can focus on things that he’s interested in.
Harris proposed absolutely nothing for either of them. No tax proposals that would help them, no improvements to their health insurance (though both are probably through the ACA), no job/industry prospects, no financial assurances, just…nothing. All they heard were abortion, democracy, and “not Trump.” Neither of them even like Trump, and they find MAGA cringey AF, but they both said almost exactly the same thing to me at some point over the past few months:
“I mean, I’m fucked either way, so it really doesn’t matter.”
And you know what? They’re absolutely right. They are. Trump’s the only one who even tries to speak to their concerns, and for many people that’s enough.
We gotta figure out how to capture the moron vote to win? This all just makes me want to quit. Those idiots are going to get what they deserve.
Most people are morons, so yeah, we do.
Given that the people won’t accept the necessary complex solutions to complex problems due to the intential destruction of our publoc education system both to keep them ignorant and controllable and to not pay for them, and want simple answers that don’t exist without deception, all there is is subsistence until collapse, and start over after all that pain without the artificial restrictions held up by both parties to keep the wealthy wealthy and the poor poor.
This place is nothing but a slavery trap, keeping people ignorant by design and dependent on the scraps of the capitalists. I hope climate change forces the collapse and this slavery trap doesn’t limp along for more generations born to suffer needlessly for the masters.
