I said something along the lines of:
“Wow, I haven’t had a reason to smile ear to ear in a while.”
Along with
“Nah, the more dead corpos dragons, the better.”
In response to some liberal going off about how violence is never the solution, not mentioning how this murdered dipshit has personally overseen a system that perpetuates harm, suffering and death (violence) in the name of profit.
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Good ole’ civility clause.
Whats the paradox of tolerance?
.world mods have never heard of it I guess.
I’m just here to point out that everyone’s going to use the downvote button as a “disagree” button and the upvote as “agree,” and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop us. You can’t hold back the tide.
Yes.
As an anarchist, I am keenly aware that rules are merely suggestions, and are utterly meaningless when no system exists to actually enforce them.
The whole thing is all just made up. There are no “rules” written down like there are for software systems. There are just shared habits and models of the world, and traditions for how to react. In general, people agree and keep it all consistent enough from day to day that the rules in their heads translate into behavior and dependable systems in the real world. But it’s all just made up. It’s just people deciding what to do, every minute, in every society, based on what they decide in their brain, no matter how strict the “rules” that supposedly exist are.
Like how we could ‘make up’ having a healthcare system that provides universal affordable care to all citizens, but instead … we …
(not actually all of us, actually the extremely wealthy and influential people who control government policy and all the media that tells us what to think about government policy)
… ‘we’ make up a horrible, unjust system that perpetuates suffering, violence and death, so that a tiny minority of people can profit!
What I’m saying is that there is no mechanical system that puts those particular people in charge.
We had the gilded age, we had the labor battles that laid the foundation for the working economy of the 20th century, we had the New Deal and prosperity for a lot of people, then we let it get away from us and the crooks took charge again. But it all can change. We can make it different. People have fought their way back to good government from places a million times worse than modern-day America.
I’m not sure what you mean by mechanical.
Obviously there is not a physical machine like a 3d printer that produces a sociopoliticaleconomic system.
But there are absolutely empirically verified theories within sociology, political science, and economics which describe why historical events happened with a pretty good degree of accuracy, and a lot of them do function pretty mechanistically to predict likely future outcomes, though with a wider margin of possibility than physics predicting a physical machine.
I’m saying that nothing enforces these particular people being in charge, other than everyone agreeing that these are the people in charge, and that can change.
It has, in huge ways, for better and worse depending, all throughout history.
I looked at the logs myself, and it absolutely was power tripping. Jury nullification discussion isn’t even illegal for fucks sake.
dios mío, A LIBERAL!
I think they should make a post addressing this but it is pretty funny to see people’s reactions
The bans seem to be lifted.
yes i only banned for 24 hours so that more information could be found additionally there were directions that people encouraging, cheering, making joke of, discussing payment, or of jury nullification are against the terms of service for lemmy.world. as of now there is new information regarding this section of the terms of service which will be announced and explained by the admins. i am sorry to those that feel i was excessive we have discuss this among the moderators and will use the lock power to reduce the moderator workflow. for me i consider human life sacred and despite the mistakes of this person only God may judge us. i recognize my bias in this and will work to be more restrained going forward.
We understand that you’ll repeatedly choose to selectively enforce or break the rules to ensure the predetermined narrative is served, then cite your religion as the reason.
Thanks for letting us know.
no? i was asked to enforce the terms of service and the celebration of murder encourages others but i have now been asked to not consider these a violation anymore
Jury nullification is a legal right any jurist in the US has, which is why liberals hate it.
i am not from the united states and there are countries with laws differant from the united states I was asked to remove these things for this reason
So let me get you to repeat that so I know you didn’t misspeak. The admins of Lemmy.world instructed you to remove posts educating people about their rights in the country they live in? Can you tag them so we can discuss those admins here?
they are making an announcement on this topic to make the reasoning more clear
i apologize for misunderstanding and the correct action would have to lock the post until we all understood what to do
as of now all who were community banned by me are no longer banned
Hmmm… Do Gaza residents count, how about American payers of health insurance?
Hmmm
yes? i would remove comments and posts celebrating the death of those people i pray for them as i pray for you and the family of the murdered person you celebrate
I don’t know if temporarily muting those accounts was the right call or not - I did not even look at the pictures of the modlog here much less elsewhere - but entirely separately from that I wanted to say thank you for offering your explanation here. Whatever you end up deciding, your willingness to be introspective is already a powerful thing.
thank you
i was asked to moderate anything that is illegal specifically mentioning “jury nullification” and “financially supporting” this has been changed now until a larger announcement is made
many admins and moderators at .world including myself are not american, i pray that the others who are angry at me and hope they consider there are more countries with laws that are different from them.
You are perfect… For Reddit. Go back there.
Whats the paradox of tolerance?
It’s a fucking paradox.
It honestly amazes me that damned near everyone seems to miss that part, even though it’s in the fucking name.
A 24 hour temp ban for celebrating violence is actually pretty reserved. Certainly not power tripping.
Counterargument: no.
E: To elaborate, the terms of service say:
“**We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature.**”
Merely expressing glee is not calling for violence or threatening a living creature. Banning someone for a rule they didn’t break, for any duration, is overreach.
Except that it very much is. How can you not see that?
These gleeful comments are very much what? Celebrating violence, as you originally said? If so, sure. However, celebrating violence is not against the rules. Go to any Ukrainian-on-Russian drone strike video and you’ll find plenty of people celebrating death. What is against the rules is making threats or calling people to violent action against another. These are very much not the same thing. In the insurace CEO thread, the overwhelming majority of removed comments were not making threats or trying to incite more violence.
Celebrating violence is a method used to call for more violence. And the reason the war isn’t heavily moderated is because it’s a war. It’s already at the worst state, and further violence is a foregone conclusion. That’s a massive difference to celebrating a murder. Being popular doesn’t mean it’s okay suddenly.
There’s still a clear distinction between celebrating violence and calling for further violence.
You’re making a leap between the two.
They are explicitly and literally not the same thing, even if celebrating can be, and often is, used as part of a call for more.
Every cat is an animal, but not every animal is a cat.
PTB, comments celebrating a person who’s horrible are not encouraging violence. This is clearly an attempt from the mods to push their agenda. Their replies here in this thread support this theory.
for me i consider human life sacred and despite the mistakes of this person only God may judge us.
I think this comment snippet speaks for itself honestly.
This is clearly an attempt from the mods to push their agenda. Their replies here in this thread support this theory.
“for me i consider human life sacred and despite the mistakes of this person only God may judge us.”
The dastardly, scurilous, vile agenda that human life is sacred. Well done Sherlock, you uncovered the next Hitler.
Can’t comment on bans/deservedness. Lemmy is infested with mods/agents/bots that are pro empire/CIA/military paid protectors of disinformation and said empire.
I don’t think a tankie has any right to complain about propaganda online.
The policy is happening at the lemmy.world level, not the individual mod level.
It’s right there in the Terms of Service (which nobody actually ever reads):
https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/
"1. Attacks on users or groups
Before using the website, remember you will be interacting with actual, real people and communities. Lemmy.World is not a place for you to attack other people or groups of people. Just because you disagree with someone doesn’t give you the right to harass them. Discuss ideas and be critical of principles. Show the respect you desire to receive.
We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature."
We faced the same problem in the Politics community when Henry Kissinger died.
You ever notice that you only circle the wagons to defend the worst? Always seem to go out of your way to do it too. I don’t see any threats in that picture. Nothing that even could be reasonably called a threat. Yet up pops Jordan to save the day. Almost like clockwork.
Best or worst doesn’t enter into it, it’s simply policy. People might not LIKE that it’s the policy, more likely they never read the policy in the first place.
As somebody else pointed out, the policy is calls for violence against living creatures. What is the connection with being happy that somebody has already died?
Seems more like opinion than policy to me.
Hey look, it’s the shitty Zionist bootlicking mod themselves.
LOL - this you?
A running tally of my proudest moments.
Oh, but I bet you thought that was some kind of gotcha, didn’t you? Like some neckbeard white redditor from Portland is gonna make me feel bad about being uncivil in his fiefdom.
No, it means users with a track record of uncivil comments can simply be dismissed with a subtle jerking off motion.
Your opinions are always the same, have no value, add nothing to the communities in which you pretend to participate.
I’ve seen your pictures, I’m sure you’re pretty familiar with that motion.
We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature.
So lemmy.world forbids discussion about hunting?
About fishing?
About organized industrial agriculture?
About austerity measures?
About prison systems?
About police?
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I’ll give you that my comment about hoping more corpos die actually breaks those rules, but uh, I’m using lemmy on mobile, through an app.
It would be helpful to list this rule in the instance sidebar that mobile users can actually see.
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But anyway, this says nothing about celebrating or joking about a violence that has already happened.
Celebration and jokes, on their own, are not threats nor calls for violence.
If you wanna say that you’re not allowed to celebrate or joke about violence that happened to a person or thing, without threatening or calling for further violence (like my smiling comment, and many other recently deleted for tos comments) it would probably be a good idea to actually have a rule for that.
… Also, can you harass or perpetuate violence against a dead person?
… Is it considered violence if you mock a dead person? Harassment?
Yeah, that’s some lib shit if I’ve ever seen it. There’s no reason to write the rules so narrowly, but if you do and you coincidentally only enforce it against people threatening power, you deserve the vegan police in your reports constantly.
But I’m not calling for violence. It already happened. And it’s not against something living, at least not anymore.
Ok, challenge accepted: every instance I come across from .world that has any indication of violence against anything living, well, I’ll be reporting that, and I expect the mods to follow up on it quickly.
I’ll start with the gardening instances, since plants do feel pain, and thus any pruning/harvesting/etc is an act of violence, and I’m surprised the .world mods haven’t shut down such a violent instance.
Wait, they need to be banned outright, actually, because in order to garden, users are going to have to suggest that people dig into the dirt, and that’s a pretty blatant call of violence against all organisms, including those at the microscopic level.
Better delete the woodworking instance too, since the only way to work with wood is to kill a tree and dismember its body, often skinning it immediately after it’s been sawed off at the knees, juuuuuuust fresh enough to feel all the pain but not enough to fight back.
What an absolute joke.
Many of us .world mods had nothing to do with these deletions and bannings and I would caution you against this sort of flag abuse in the communities I moderate. It looks like you have already started.
If you have an issue with what happened with the mods in c/news, don’t take it out on the rest of us.
We hardly ever even delete comments in Ten Forward, let alone ban people.
It’s not flag abuse. It’s clearly written in the instance TOS.
“We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature.”
Or you could clarify your instance wide rules, which were apparently the justification for deleting a lot of what just got deleted?
I’m not gonna go around report flagging everything, I’m not that petty, and I don’t know who’s in charge of instance wide vs community specific rules, but maybe the core lemmy admin/mod crew should all actually clarify that you’re not allowed to joke about or celebrate people’s deaths, and that you don’t actually mean that any threat of violence toward any living thing is actually against TOS.
Ooooh, he cautions us. How scary. I’m shivering in my bunny slippers here.
I reported things that belong to the .world instance, and therefore fall under the .world rules under the .world Terms of Service we all agreed to.
I have nothing against you or your community, and hope you’re doing well healthwise.
But I’ve also seen you rail against “not all cops are bad” as the lie you know it is in various comment sections, and now you’re using the same excuse as to why your forum shouldn’t be criticized. “We’re not part of that, bring it up with them, even though we belong to the same org.”
The rules apply to all of the forums on the instance, or it should apply to none of them. And if such radical thinking, the notion rules should be applied evenly and not be so broad to allow anything to meet the definition, results in me being banned from .world, then I welcome it.
Dude, you’re pissed off at one group of people (actually, it looks like one specific person) and attacking a totally different group because of it. That’s what is going to get you banned. But it also sounds like that’s what you want to happen, so I guess enjoy that.
If it’s one specific person, shouldn’t the rest of you, y’know, do something about it?
What do you expect me to do about the one specific person they are pissed off at? Even if they are justifiably pissed off, what exactly do you think it is in my power to do?
I’d assume that the rest of the mods could stop a rogue mod from blatantly abusing their power. But if you can’t, nevermind.
Sorry for the double reply. I’ll create a list of alternatives to .world communities here; I’ll also add the ones you guys suggest, as long as not from .ml (as .ml and .world are apparently peas from the same pod.)
technology: !technology@lemmy.zip
politics: !uk_politics@feddit.uk (UK), !pleasantpolitics@slrpnk.net (USA), !canadapolitics@lemmy.ca (Canada), !australianpolitics@aussie.zone (Oz), !politics@beehaw.org (allegedly world, in practice USA)
news: !world@quokk.au , !globalnews@lemmy.zip
comic strips: I couldn’t find any general comm, but there’s !cyanideandhappiness@lemm.ee and !thefarside@sh.itjust.works
microblog memes: !best_of_mastodon@sh.itjust.works , !whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works , nonpoliticaltwitter@civilloquy.com
political memes: !politicalmemes@lemmy.ca , !leftymemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com
memes: !memes@sopuli.xyz
ask lemmy: !asklemmy@lemm.ee
movies and animattion: !movies@lemm.ee , !showsandmovies@lemm.ee , !animation@lemm.ee . Specifically for Japanese anime there’s ani.social (the whole instance).
EDIT: apparently the moderators apologised, including in this thread. So what I said that both are peas from the same pod might be inaccurate - it’s a matter of scale.
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It’s funny that, when I created a list of .ml alternatives, some entitled prick was lying/assuming/bullshitting that I was trying to kill LW - since I didn’t list any LW comm. If the prick said the same now it would be true. [Still blocked because I got no time for assumers.]
So are you saying that in those communities celebrating murder is encouraged or what?
I’m saying that those communities are not in an instance where the admins enforce hidden rules, unlike .world and .ml. At least, not as far as I know.
Is this clear now?
For world@quokk.au, you’re free to celebrate good news such as a CEO getting an early retirement package.
But say like if you celebrated an activist or leftist dying etc, it would be frowned upon and assessed on a case-by-case basis.
I find it very good that this community is becoming the de-facto central point to ensure mods are kept in check and that such comments can be made and found.
Ditto; I don’t know if you planned this role for the comm, but it feels like a natural evolution - from complaining about mod abuse to acting against it.
Yeah, .world is full of slightly right of center normies and pussies.
