“let’s wait for the midterms” yeah i bet the colonies are going to rid themselves of bigoted nazis this time for sure
Yuuup. All these calls to “fix it at midterms” are just going to keep happening until more people see that our system is not working for them in a more drastic way.
Dont forget, if dems dont vote its a guarantee that rupublicans will win. Vote early and dont forget to vote on your local elections too. Even a judge can make all the difference
also the fuckery with them rigging the voting machines which are predominantly in republican areas.
before that we also need to make sure superpac backed trash don’t get past the primaries.
trump got elected twice because dnc has become infested by shills like pelosi and schumer who keep sabotaging progressives like bernie and aoc.
pelosi will happily support ice and any anti-working class initiative as long she gets her cut. schumer is an israeli agent who would support brining back slavery if it allows idf to murder more children.
also DNC wouldnt even investigate the eleciton rigging of the machines, 2 times it happened until it was too late, they are totally complicit. yes we know they are going to get called out as rigging the electiona s well.
Blue maga take
The first step is to crucify any Democrat that isn’t willing to actually fight.
Hahahahahahaha
Not even if the Dems had the vote. I am positive someone would block it for civility reasons.
The dems can not get out of their own way. See Zohran win in NYC.
See Zohran win in NYC.
Why? The headlines on lemmy made me think that he is the good candidate.
- He was running against someone that was
- famously forced out of office for corruption a few years ago
- running on a party platform that was uninspiring and brought Trump back to power in November
- He ran a really focused campaign on lowering cost of living and income inequality
- He’s smart, charming, and authentic - and that motivated a lot of people to campaign for him
- He released a fire track about how dope is grandmother is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQVsVNPkPmE
Yes he’s wildly popular.
The DNC is considering not giving him the nomination regardless of his win of the primary.
Andrew Cuomo is running independent with his Super PAC that raised billions of dollars.
Bill Ackman is offering billions of dollars to anybody who can ensure that Zohran cannot win. Admittedly this last one’s a bit of a stretch since this dude’s also a trump supporter.
These are examples of the DNC not getting out of its own way.
The DNC is considering not giving him the nomination regardless of his win of the primary.
The Democratic National Committee does not decide State and Local nominations.
They can’t even “refuse to nominate” for congression races. The only power they have is dictating the rules for the US Presidential Nomination.
Other than the Presidency whoever wins the primary is the nominee under state laws. Otherwise they could’ve just “refuse to nominate” AOC (which they had no legal power to do btw).
Their main power is mostly just money to buy propaganda. If people can just be smarter and ignore the propaganda, they could take over easily. The only reason the establishment maintain their power is because the people allows them to keep their power.
Yes if people could ignore the propaganda the world would be a much better place.
Too bad the literal function of propaganda is to sway people’s opinions for people who don’t give a fuck about politics.
The dems can not get out of their own way. See Zohran win in NYC.
So vote to expand the progressive side of the dem party
You mean to say our votes can override an organization that argued in court that since its a private service they could just ignore the vote of the people and pick who they wanted?
The same organization that always manages to organize and attack leftist like Zohran and Bernie but can’t find any footing against Trump?
Yep. That will work. Just gotta vote harder.
Correct, so show up. We need to vote, and we need to protest.
Head is so deep in the sand. Keep coping bud.
I really really don’t think that will change anything. People been trying to change the democrats for the better part of ten years.
Name one landmark foundational thing they have done in the last ten years thats really benefited the majority of Americans.
There isn’t one that isn’t a major concession that undercuts the original proposal.
Name one landmark foundational thing they have done in the last ten years thats really benefited the majority of Americans.
Billions for renewable energy buildouts?
Yep that’s definitely helped Americans get Universal Health Care, reduce poverty, increase purchasing power, make housing work accessible, and meaningfully lower the number of homeless in the United States.
Oh wait it didn’t do any of those things. It made rich people richer while holding lip service for the climate conscious people
Jesus fucking christ dude. You don’t see how big investment in renewable energy helps everyone?
lol at only 10 years
I’m sure it’s been longer but I can absolutely defend that they’ve been trying to change the party from the inside since at least Obama got elected.
You’re right and part of that is people like you not showing up. None voting has had the most votes in all those elections.
maybe because thre is no one worth voting for in USA?
And if we don’t work to grow our progressive movement then there really never will be.
I am under no illusions that even if and it’s a big if the Democrats managed to take back enough seats in both the house and the Senate to actually impeach and prosecute Trump that they still won’t do it that they will be spineless and that they will offer supposed Olive branches across the aisle.
We had one guy win a primary in a mayoral race. You guys are acting as if this changes everything. It’s interesting to watch for sure and there are lessons to be learned but that does not mean that everything is changing. It’s not even guaranteed he’ll win the Mayoral race. The DNC is even considering not giving him the nomination despite him winning.
The billionaire class is already mobilizing to try and ensure this guy never gets elected. Do you think they’re going to make it any easier when he’s in office?
By all means we should engage in electoral politics but we should not be under any illusions that it will fix the system we have nor should we be under any illusion that our politicians will save us from the problem that is Donald Trump. If anything the Democrats seem more than happy to capitulate to what he wants since they’re not in the majority.
Do you think they’re going to make it any easier when he’s in office?
No, but your writing is that we should give up prematurely. That is why we also need to protest.
I am utterly convinced that it won’t matter, but damnit we still have to fucking try.
It’s time to take our fuckin country back
Never going to happen until the mega rich (who run the country) are afraid to walk the street.
We need to make fascists afraid again
The seats that need to be taken I don’t think are sided towards the Democrats getting enough. States like Alabama have had a Democrat Senator in recent years but for it to flip from a Republican back to a Democrat seems tough with how divided and how far right some states have slid. (Nearly 65% voted for Trump there in 2024).
Kyle Sweetster may be their best shot of a democrat winning , but it’s a long ways away and who knows what could change. https://www.kyleforalabama.com/
I swear it’s always the fucking South dragging the rest of us down…
Democracy isn’t real
lot of trolls in .ml
I laughed a bit harder than I should’ve at this
It’s not like I’m hiding those comments. I didn’t delete them.
Perhaps, but fascism has no place in the 21st century at all.
Who are you responding to?
You.
You said democracy isn’t real. I said perhaps, but also that the people of the United States shouldn’t tolerate fascism as it has no place in the modern world.
Which part aren’t you understanding?
If democracy isn’t real which government do you propose?
You tell me. You’re the one who said it isn’t real.
You granted I might be right. So I asked (first) what our options are if this is the case. You’re evading the question.
In the US? Or as a concept? Because I have a few things happening in my country that are the definition of democracy.
High likelihood your country is not consequential geopolitically. That or you’re fooled.
Oh, so now democracy doesn’t exist if you’re country is “not consequential geopolitically”? Either it exists or it doesn’t.
Nice moving the goal post, no wonder I have you at -20 net downvotes organically.
I’m saying voting for class president isn’t the same as voting for the leader of a sovereign hegemon. Maybe Belgium, for example, has a “democracy” but ultimately Europe is a footstool for the United States. It can act ‘independently’ only as long as it pays tribute to the regional power. This is same for countries in Asia, the Middle East, Eurasia etc What use is your democracy if it functions within a false paradigm? The political equivalent of “playing house”.
We have a “leader of a sovereignty” with a GDP above Spain and Australia, though?
It sounds to me like you think not having a perfect democracy gets in the way of having a good one.
Both Spain and Australia are within the United States sphere of influence and that’s just two countries. There are really only a handful of countries with actual sovereignty. The US, China, Russia, India, Israel and to a far lesser degree Iran and maybe Brazil. Even if all other countries were perfectly functioning democracies they would fall under the influence of one of these hegemons. This means there are things you can’t vote for and more often than not your democracy is only tolerated and often defended by a larger power that is a democracy in name only. You are a mock congress in a civics class. Power always wins out. That’s not a political opinion it’s a fact. Votes have little to no power. Hordes of enraged peasants DO have power which is why they are placated with activities like voting. Artificial agency.
The most important part of this is the primaries. If we fill these seats with a bunch of Chuck Schumers/Hakeem Jeffries it won’t make a difference. If we fill them with Zohran Mamdanis, on the other hand…
Yupp, don’t let them tell you yet another “compromise” candidate, who “at least isn’t the red elephant person” is gonna cut it. They have been losing elections, they spark no enthusiasm, they are not the “safe option”.
That being said, do organise and network outside of party politics, too. Elections are an important part of everything, they to mould the status quo to some degree, and can heavily shift context of further political work - but getting beyond the structural shit that put Trump into power requires more than that. Joining (preferrably radical) unions, showing up to town halls and the likes, networking with neighbours and friends for mutual aid and emergency support, community defence organisations, civil rights orgs, etc. etc. Both informal and formal organisation is needed wherever you can.
‘They’ say that because turnout for primaries is always abysmal, so candidates who make it to generals are usually centrist.
If progressives actually voted in primaries, they’d have the options they want in generals. But usually, the vast majority who vote in primaries are older, more moderate voters.
Progressive candidates exist, but if you want them, you can’t just vote every 4 years.
Honestly, primaries are all that matter.
If progressives don’t win the primaries, all we have to vote for are centrists and fascists, which means more fascism.
Please, please vote in primaries and get everyone you know to vote in the primaries, too.
Which is probably why the DNC didn’t let us have a primary for the 2024 election. They knew their status quo candidate didn’t have any juice behind her but didn’t want to open the door to that criticism.
There was a primary, and Biden won by a landslide.
That was not a primary. That was a ruse to fool people like you.
It literally was a primary. None of us have to approve of the candidates or the result, but they did hold primaries.
Oh quit this horse shit. Nothing worse than an obvious liar.
There literally were primaries. I don’t approve of the outcome, but they did hold primaries.
Biden wasn’t on my ballot during the election
No, since he was forced out months after the primaries. I don’t know if it had gone better had he stayed though…
If we fill them with Zohran Mamdanis, on the other hand…
Fair - find and support your people, people!
Meh, any Democrat is better than any Republican. The fact that Trump rages on twitter about Schumer means something hes doing is right.
Yeah but the old-school Dems won’t inspire people to get off their ass and vote.
Personally, they have and they will. I love the DNC platform, I hope soon we can give them more than 50 senate seats for the first time in over a decade.
I love their platform as well! But they are not executing. All the talk and position papers in the world mean nothing IRL if there’s no action.
Theres no action because they haven’t had more than 50 seats (including caucus) in over a decade.
So, might it be fair to say they’re losing? Perhaps because they can’t execute?
You’re mad that the people you refuse to let do the thing aren’t doing the thing?
Hey, if you ever want to come join us here in reality, I’ll save you a seat.
I’m sorry you choose to believe in an alternate reality, get well soon.
Personally, they have and they will.
Man, if you want to argue that milquetoast moderate Dems get the largest number of votes by offending the least number of potential voters, that’s one thing, but old-school Dems have a very poor track record of generating enthusiasm compared to alternatives.
Thats why I said “personally” as in me myself.
It’s giving “getting kicked in the nuts is better than getting kicked in the head.”
Getting kicked in the nuts is better than being gutted with a fishing knife.
Yeah, no shit.
It’s not something everyone recognizes.
Which it undeniably is
You think exapanded healthcare is a kick in the nuts?
I think complicity with a humanitarian crisis that gets repeatedly labeled as either genocide or ethnic cleansing is a kick in the nuts.
I think 128 Dem reps voting with Republicans to table impeachment proceedings against an authoritarian president is a kick in the nuts.
But more to your point, I think arguing for expanding healthcare within the context of a system of predatory insurance companies and for-profit healthcare facilities does little to actually fix what is wrong with healthcare. So yeah, kick in the nuts for sure.
Honey your options are genocide or passive nonconfrontational opposition to genocide.
If you cared at all about Pallestine you would want to remove every Republican first and foremost.
Psst. They don’t actually care about Palestine or they would have voted for the best possible option for Palestine.
It was always about stroking their moral superiority boner.
Sorry babe, you’re a lost cause. You keep moving around from argument to argument to just avoid facing the reality: the democratic party, in its current form, offers nothing of substance that resonates with voters. If you’re right, and theyre bring ‘misled’, then that just solidifies how awfully impotent Dem messaging is.
I stuck to the topic you brought up, pal.
Ah yes, impeach the already twice impeached, 34 time convicted felon
These cunts don’t care about law so stop taking the high road, when they go low, kick them in the fucking teeth
Literally if possible
Well with a bulletproof majority we could do that.
Not counting fucking piece of shit Sinemas/Manchins. Actual Democratic leaders. People younger than 65 who want to break this fascist headlock.
Can’t wait for it to be more corporate trash that pushes people into Republican arms!
I honestly quite afraid they are gonna rig the fuck outta the mid-terms somehow. I realize I have little to no evidence to support that, but doesn’t mean it couldn’t still happen under this regime.
2024 seemed to be rigged at the top only. That’s how we ended up with so many people voting a straight Democratic ticket, except for HitlerPig at the top, which Dems have been trying to convince us is perfectly normal, which it isn’t.
Its one thing to rig the vote in one race in seven swing states, it’s another to rig 435 Congressional races around the country. That would be nearly impossible. It would take multiple operatives in every district, and at some point, somebody would squeal.
The Senate races pose other challenges, although they only really have to identify a handful of close races, and make sure those fall to MAGA.
The MAGA Nazis can’t afford to let either chamber flip, or the Democrats will have control of investigative committees with subpoena and arrest powers. If that starts, it will end with prison terms for many.
So I’m convinced that they will “suspend” elections using Martial Law, or the Insurrection Act, or some other legal atrocity.
people voting a straight Democratic ticket, except for HitlerPig at the top, which Dems have been trying to convince us is perfectly normal, which it isn’t.
What. The dems saying that’s normal? Where!
So I’m convinced that they will “suspend” elections using Martial Law, or the Insurrection Act, or some other legal atrocity.
They’re stupid enough to do it, but I doubt they’ll get all the buy in they’d need.
You’re not the only one.
Turn-out for primaries is minuscule. If you’re in a deep red state that has fully open primaries, you can request a republican primary ballot. I guarantee if you fully look into every primary candidate there will be a reasonable person who is at least open to impeaching or otherwise opposing Trump.
If it’s a partially-open primary state you will have to switch to independent to vote strategically in primaries.
If you’re in a deep-red state with closed primaries, it’s worth considering switching affiliations just so you can have some say in who represents you.
I know it’s like sifting through shit to find an edible kernel of corn, but it’s what has to be done to stop this in deep-red states.
Remember folks, every vote counts. We did this to ourselves.
I’ve said it before elsewhere but it needs to be heard…
It’s just wild to me continually seeing posts not understanding how this all works, and how it would play out. It’s like the people who thought China paid the tariffs…
The house is almost tied. That’s who passes bills, handles impeachments, some of the most powerful committees are, and who impeaches Presidents…
218 Republicans, 213 Democrats.
Let’s see, take New York for example.
26 representatives total, 19 Democrat and 7 Republican.
5 of those were within 2 points last time their seat was up.
People who think that New York is blue, their vote doesn’t matter, skips the votes for the House and Senate and end up losing a Blue house seat but later complain that nothing changes are literally the fucking problem.
Every. Fucking. State. Is. Like. This.
Apathetic morons who don’t realize that the president is only held accountable by the other branch of government then wave their hands around when they did jack shit to help put people in place to, are the fucking problem.
District 3 of California was lost by 24,000 votes. District 22 was lost by 3,000.
Those two seats in the house, along with the close ones in New York, Jersey, Michigan, Illinois, Washington, hell every state… Are what makes the House of Representatives or breaks it.
So, if you think that your vote for president doesn’t matter, so you skip voting and let these other seats slip, yes, you’re a fucking moron who can’t grasp basic concepts of government that are taught in 4th grade.
And don’t get me started on the State House/Senates, how they define voting laws and voting zones and engage in gerrymandering.
Every fucking vote counts.
And until the country realizes it, and starts acting on it, we’ll keep getting the shit we deserve.
House needs a simple majority, and two thirds of the Senate.
Democrats would need ~18 seats.
First, that won’t happen in 2026.
Even the best cases make it hard to win enough by 2028. Which is why impeachment is just not something we can hold out for.
Gerrymandering is part of why this is a problem, which is done at the local level, and again why every vote counts.
How could it play out? Assuming some absurdly weird upside down world just opposite of what we’re living in, this is the only path just looking at the numbers…
Again, Democrats would need to gain 18 net seats. Seats Potentially in Play (Republican Incumbents): This requires looking at seats up in upcoming cycles.
- Class 1 Seats (Up in 2026):
- Highly Competitive Targets: These would be the first priority. States where Democrats have won statewide recently or that lean only slightly Republican. Examples based on recent political history might include:
- North Carolina (Budd-R)
- Alaska (Sullivan-R) - Unique dynamics with ranked-choice voting.
- Stretch Targets: States that are more Republican but could potentially flip under exceptionally favorable conditions (like the hypothetical turnout).
- Iowa (Ernst-R)
- Montana (Daines-R) - Depends heavily on candidate matchups.
- Kentucky (McConnell-R’s seat - potential retirement changes dynamics)
- Kansas (Marshall-R)
- South Carolina (Graham-R)
- Very Difficult Targets: Solidly Republican states requiring overwhelming Democratic turnout and significant shifts among other voters.
- Texas (Cornyn-R)
- Mississippi (Wicker-R)
- Alabama (Tuberville-R)
- West Virginia (Capito-R)
- Oklahoma (Mullin-R - Special election winner)
- Wyoming (Lummis-R)
- Idaho (Risch-R)
- Arkansas (Cotton-R)
- Nebraska (Ricketts-R)
- South Dakota (Rounds-R)
- Louisiana (Cassidy-R) - Jungle primary system.
- Highly Competitive Targets: These would be the first priority. States where Democrats have won statewide recently or that lean only slightly Republican. Examples based on recent political history might include:
- Class 2 Seats (Up in 2028): (Looking further ahead)
- Highly Competitive Targets:
- Maine (Collins-R) - Often competitive, depends on matchup.
- Georgia (Perdue/Ossoff dynamic showed competitiveness, depends who holds it after '26 potentially) - Assuming GOP holds a seat here.
- Stretch Targets:
- Michigan (Peters-D currently, but listing potential GOP flips back if one happened hypothetically before 2028) - Generally leans D, but could be contested.
- New Hampshire (Shaheen-D currently) - Generally leans D, but listing potential GOP flips back.
- Very Difficult Targets: (Many solidly Republican states)
- Tennessee (Hagerty-R)
- Alaska (Murkowski-R historically, depends on dynamics)
- North Carolina (Tillis-R)
- Iowa (Grassley-R seat potentially)
- Texas (Cruz-R)
- Kentucky (Paul-R)
- And many others similar to the 2026 list (SC, AL, MS, WY, ID, NE, SD, KS, WV, OK).
- Highly Competitive Targets:
It’s going to take an absolutely historic level of pain to both drive enough people to vote MAGA out to make this change though.
The amount that’s being excused, sanewashed, and just drowned out with other absurdities…
We’re on all on this shit ride until some new wildcard comes into play.
No impeachment, no Supreme Court, no guardrail is going to change that.
Something new and unaccounted for is the only feasible catalyst.
I’m not American and I wish you guys the very best, but my expectations for the 2026 elections is on par with the elections in Russia. Every non republican candidate may end up in jail or out of a window.
Unfortunately as someone who lives here and has no choice but to watch it, I think you’re right.
Far too many of my countrymen are just complacent in letting this happen.
It’s not easy to take action that really works. Protests only do so much. Armed resistance is problematic and can backfire in so many ways…
Totally get all of that, but U cant help but look at McConnell’s seat and remember how Schumer and co rejected the exciting young candidate and instead forced a PRO-TRUMP “democrat” to challenge him.
It’s simple: if you think you can challenge a red conservative with a blue conservative, the red conservative will win every time. Blue conservatives are just carpetbaggers to the voters.
The challenger to conservatism is progressivism. If you don’t actually provide a choice you WILL lose.
- Class 1 Seats (Up in 2026):
vote like it in checks notes a year and a half… we need to be acting now and not waiting for elections.
Nothing stopping us.
But a bunch of people around here have no intention of voting Democrat and so finding their person, getting the signatures, raising some money, getting on the ballot, it’s all going to take time.
If you can’t be arsed to change your local party, find a new one or GTFO. Last August we had a truckload of people just proud as a pig in shit that they weren’t going to vote. Fuck that.
For all you Americans who like to complain about the democrats candidates, maybe join the party and vote on primaries. Maybe do something other than just wait around until they feed you the candidate they picked without your input. Maybe start changing up the party from within and at the entry level, by voting on primaries and volunteering for the progressive candidates that want to overthrow the party career politicians. Look at what New York did! If they had waited around and not cared about primaries, they would have gotten Cumo and complained. I hear a lot of complaining about the democrats on Lemmy, sometimes you guys blame them more than Republican. But if you don’t vote or register as a democrat then you don’t matter to them. Make yourselves heard before the actual elections
You don’t even have to join the Democratic Party to vote in their primaries.
That being said, they will absolutely move mountains to block anyone remotely socialist from gaining power. The only reason Mamdani won the primary is because NYC has ranked choice voting.
The Dems are not going to save us because their leadership is profiting from this too much. Organized resistance is the only hope we have.
Actually, Mamdani would’ve won on first past the post as well (he has 43.5% of voters choosing him as first choice). He needs a 50% threshold to advance, which is where ranked choice will come in, but he would’ve won a first past the post anyways.
So even in a first past the post scheme, people should vote in dem primaries. I think we’re all on board with changing the dem party, and it starts in the primaries.
Go vote, or get oppressed. That’s basically the options and people need to understand that. Voting doesn’t guarantee you won’t be oppressed, but not voting guarantees you will.
Would those people have voted for him in a first past the post race? Or would they have been too afraid that someone worse than Cuomo would win, so they stick with him?
Well since he was selected as their first choice, presumably they would still choose their first choice when only given one choice. Ranked choice plays a role for everyone else down ballot and for automatic runoffs. People don’t put someone as their first choice that they don’t actually want as their first choice. So yes, they would have.
Yes they do, all the time. I wanted to vote for Bernie in the 2016 election, but I actually voted for Hillary because I thought that splitting the vote would let Trump win. If we had ranked choice, I could have put Bernie on top while knowing that I wasn’t opening the door tor Trump.
While I understand your statement here in the Hillary v Trump scenario, I don’t think it necessarily applies here, as if anything , I would think that Lander supporters would’ve instead put Mamdani as their first choice if they only had a single choice, given the announcement. The down ballot races would have been less successful.
Well, the entire point of ranked choice is that you can do this. You can put unknown candidates up top without having to be afraid to „waste“ your vote, as you would have, with FPTP.
I am pretty confident that this would not have happened were it not for ranked choice. People would have voted the „safe“ candidate instead.
Right, but the benefit of ranked choice in this election would have been “I’m gonna vote Lander or Michael Blake in 1 but put Mamdani second since I’d be happy with him”. Realistically who is the safe candidate that isn’t Cuomo? The only viable candidate is Mamdani. Cuomo is still going to be in the ballot as an independent, so you really would’ve only voted Cuomo here because you’re staunchly establishment dem, in which case you wouldn’t be putting Mamdani but you also would’ve put Cuomo in first.
But I think this is all ridiculous. If the argument is “don’t vote in primaries unless they’re ranked choice”, that’s a defeating argument and we should absolutely abandon that as wise advice. The argument should be “vote in every primary, especially ranked choice, and vote for the furthest left candidate you can if you don’t want more of the same corporatist democrat melange”. I hope we can agree on that.
This depends on the state and in most states you have to be a member of the party to vote in primaries
Is it really most states? I’m in an extremely conservative state. I refuse to join a political party. I’m allowed to vote in the Democrats’ primary, but not the Republicans’.
If you are in this situation, please vote in the primary after learning about the local candidates.
There is one big thing- You must ask for the Democratic Party Ballot. I was used to getting it by default and was disenfranchised in 2008 by being given the no affiliation ballot. I realized it when I got to the machine and was not allowed to change. I left yelling about it, like that did any good.
If you live in a closed state primary like Florida, you do have to join to vote in the primaries of your party.
With enough pressure from their constituents, the Democrat party will absolutely change into whatever we want it to. Look at the Republican party. They found out their constituents really liked racism and authoritarianism and that party basically became unrecognizable compared to a quarter century ago to give it to them. I’m old enough to remember the Republican party being assholes, but not on this level. When I was younger they would absolutely not have behaved the way they currently behave. But their constituents gave them the thumbs up, so here we are.
Democrat legislators very, very much want to keep their gravy train jobs. They’ll morph into whoever they need to be to keep them.
But that pressure has to start significantly before an election and it has to be big enough that they can’t ignore it.
We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas! Revolution it is!
Revolution it is!
And then they proceed to do nothing revolutionary, don’t forget.
absolutely move mountains to block
Establishment Dems never move mountains for anything. They’ll push over molehills. Sometimes that’s all it takes.
And yeah, they only put molehills in front of Bernie. Unfortunately that’s all it took.
One of the big realities is that winning elections right now takes money. I hate every Dem that swears off campaign contributions. It’s partly our fault that if they don’t play the game they’re not gonna win.
Votes still matter more than money. It’s partly our collective fault that money buys votes as effectively as it does.
their leadership
Is there because people used their political power to make them leaders, to achieve that goals. It’s a democratic process, albeit convoluted one.
You guys can’t even be bothered to get off the couch and vote against fascism. You guys ain’t starting no resistance or Revolution
100% - the Dems are a fundraising organization, not a political party.
Sure it will benefit us to be more politically active, but we need to put that energy into a new party. The Dems will not save us.
Please leave a detailed message explaining exactly how you propose to come up with a viable 3rd Party when the 2026 midterms are in sight?
Please provide a detailed message explaining how you plan to escape the repeated cycle of voting in fascists and then voting in fascist collaborators.
Today I learned anyone who voted for Bernie or AOC is a fascist collaborator.
One method would be an Article V convention to get rid of money in politics, abolish the electoral college, get rid of FPTP in favor of ranked choice voting, and mandate a fair and impartial redistributing system which must be applied nationally before the midterms.
Essentially, our last shot at a “peaceful revolution”.
Hold on.
First line “One method”
Last line “our last shot.”
Pretty quick self contradiction.
Besides, the 2026 are about 17 months away. There’s no way you could convene an Article V convention in that time.
Sounds like you just don’t want to admit you haven’t got anything practical to suggest.
That’s the point of voting in primaries. To change that. That’s how the republicans got turned into a maga cult. We need to follow that example to uncult our side.
Progressive Democrats are the 3rd party. That’s why establishment Dems are trying to suppress them.
Correct. From the inside is the only way to change them. Actual 3rd party just splits the ticket and gives seats to the opposite party who are always worse than the most centrist D.
It’s the same way the MAGA Rs shifted that party from within. The old guard neo-cons fought them as long as they could, and now they know if they bad-mouth them, they get primaried by insane people like MTG and Boebert.
Why is the moral obligation on the progressives to join with the centrists? The progressives should start their own party. Then we can tell the centrists that they can get on board. And if they don’t, it’s their fault Republicans win. This street goes both ways.
The centrists literally don’t care if they lose.
As long as the rich stay rich - whether R in charge or centrist D, the donors are happy and the money keeps coming.
Ds lose? They win. The Rs lose to a centrist? They win.
A progressive splits the ticket and causes an R to win? They win.
Primary them in their own party? They lose. It’s the only viable option in our current federal election structure.
Threatening the donor class’s comically massive piles of wealth is the only thing that motivates the centrist Ds to act… because that is the only thing that could adversely effect the ultimate goal of centrists.
Splitting the ticket will screw only those whose goals are diametrically opposed to both the Rs and centrist Ds… splitting it will only screw us.
Yup.
We literally witnessed the insane base change the Republican party.
It’s 100% possible for liberals to force the Democrat party to change.
That’s what the abolitionists thought about the Whigs. They tried for decades in vain to get the Whigs to adopt anti-slavery positions, but the Whigs were far too loyal to business interests and the status quo. In the end it took abolitionists abandoning the Whigs entirely and founding the Republican party.
We’ve witnessed this before. Sometimes parties become so resistant to change that the only way forward is to walk away. Yes, this takes a willingness to reject myopic thinking - to focus on the long term rather than the short term. But this short term thinking, only looking at one election at a time, is what has got us to this crisis.
Right?
There are way too many whiny children on this platform thinking they need a brand new party to vote for instead of doing what’s actually possible and morphing the Democrat party, since much of their policy already matches what these whiny children want.
A new, viable party isn’t happening in this country anytime soon. Probably not in our lifetimes. The answer is forcing the Democrat party to change, which is 100% a thing that can happen.
The policies match on posters but not in practice. All of the policies you want only get brought to vote when it is impossible for it to pass against a Nazi majority and then disappear when opportunity arises.
ANY candidate who has been in Washington for 12 years or more should be VIGOROUSLY primaried…for example Adam Schiff, who has become yet another Pelosi- styled career milquetoast shitlib.
All of the policies you want only get brought to vote when it is impossible for it to pass
It might be now, because nothing is possible anymore, but before current round of shitsow, amazing amount of smaller bills and propositions were passed, they weren’t flashy ones (and that’s why there were passed, under the radar), but it helped immense amount of people. Everything big, like medicare for all, requires so much more work, it was never possible to do in that short periods of time US government wasn’t overwhelmed by reactionaries.
But that’s all that people can actually achieve, for now.“It’s sitting on McConnell’s desk!” “Now is not the time.” “But the Parliamentarian…”
And ALWAYS one Democrat vote short. Also, three are dead.
You didn’t actually read what I wrote, didn’t you?
A new party will never be formed by the people complaining cause they tend to just complain and not do actual work. Like you said, forming a party would be much harder than just changing the Democratic Party from within
I agree with all of this but take into account that lots of people here don’t even live in the US (like me). And we get fucked by democrats being shit at winning elections too
Arguing a point about something-or-other, when the other person has a limited idea about the context, is really frustrating.
Just don’t be like my Canadian friends who do nothing but talk American politics but they can’t name their MP or city councillor
I’m a member of a political party of the country I was born and can vote in, so I’m not like that
I would LOVE to do that but I am constrained by rent obligations and a blind wife.
It doesn’t stop you from voting in primaries, it’s free actually, and there is no eye tests for family members.
Oh I misunderstood; I was referring to actually running for office
Yeah, that requires dedication and free time and resources very few people have.
The democratic party is literally designed to squelch any kind of true progressivism. They are funnel any movements into “voting blue no matter who” and make people like AOC say bullshit things like “Biden is working tirelessly for a ceasefire” which we know if bullshit after Biden aides admitted they did not.
We need to make ourselves heard, aboslutley. And waiting for the elections is a recipie for failure indeed. But you say all these things about registering for democratic primaries or canvasing or “changing the party” without realizing people who have been paying attention have been trying that for decades. The democratic party is designed to maintain the status quo, and be as big of a roadbump as possible to actual workers demands so that they can keep campaigning on being better than the GOP. We are not reforming the democratic party when its whole goal for decades is to trap people trying to demand actual reform.
We need to make demands, absolutely. But we need to throw off the shackles of thinking the prison guards are going to help us escape. We need a new party, not a new Democrat.
Exactly. When you try to actually change the party, you are forced to join at the bottom. And the only people who rise to any power in the party are those that are willing to toe the party line. People saying to work within the party have no idea how politics actually works.
We need a new party, not a new Democrat.
Not happening.
As our nation descends into authoritarianism/fascism you absolutely do not have the luxury of time necessary to wait for a 3rd party to actually start doing something so they can start winning local/state elections so they can start having ANY presence AT ALL in Congress, so they can one day potentially run a presidential candidate that stands a chance.
Like, are you aware that no 3rd party has done really anything at all? NONE in Congress. NONE. They have no presence and it takes DECADES to build up a nation-wide coalition and win a presidency. Even if somehow, in a fantasy scenario, a 3rd party candidate won the presidency, they’d have ZERO support in Congress to accomplish anything.
The answer is 100% putting massive pressure on the Democrat party to change to what we want it to be. We literally witnessed the insane Republican base do exactly that to the Republican party over the last 10-20 years.
Ok fine, do nothing but complain. See how that’s working for you
