Oh gosh, I better be scared of posting here… wouldn’t want to be fash (in the eyes of tankies). :P Scared, not scared.
Heck, even if the accusations have merit, I’d rather be Daryl Davis, than leave it to fester in a worsening echo chamber.
Either way, “Cui bono?”
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I wonder what that reply was…
Oh, I see it in email notification…
why would you want to be Daryl Davis? the heck?
Because he reduces the number of KKK and Nazis in the world. As opposed to leaving them to their echo chamber of bigoted hate and worsening divisive strongman authoritarian genocidal racial-supremacist “solutions”. As already highlighted in the same sentence. I’m not sure how else to further clarify that point.
Why was that questioned so? Is there something I’m missing about the Daryl Davis story? Or … LOL … are the accusations about MoG true? LOL Or just some passing misinterpretation? I’d still like to know.
I got mixed up with Daryl Davis and David Duke, hence why I deleted my comment lol
but yeah, go off on conspiracy mode dude to reply to a deleted comment
I got mixed up with Daryl Davis and David Duke, hence why I deleted my comment lol
Ah, thanks very much for clearing that up. Makes sense now why questioned, retracted, and questioned.
conspiracy mode
Whom did/do you think I’m conspiring with about what?
Or were you using that term in a manner some ways deeper into the cascade of newspeakification [where it’s no longer meaning about conspiring, not just making those who scrutinise seem like theorists or peddlers of spurious falsehoods, but that there’s no such thing as conspiring and the word’s fully Orwellianised to mean nothing about conspiring at all, to remove the word and idea from peoples vocabularies and minds, depriving them of all capacity to catch conspirators~ as was the intention when the CIA started popularising the name-changing]?
;)
Every opportunity taken to pointedly dispel the newspeakification. ;)
I don’t get it.
These guys are so stupid😂
“By nature of the Fediverse, chuds will make their own space”
They’re so close to self-awareness
self-awarewolves
No chance. They would self harm if they ever achieved it.
Cowbee wasn’t saying that it’s bad to make your own space, per se; he was saying that communities of like-minded people are naturally going to develop on the Fediverse because of its decentralized nature. No Hexbear would deny that we created the site for ourselves.
Pretty sure “chud” is a derogatory term here, though.
It is. He/we don’t support your politics, but we support your right to congregate and use the software.
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Lol if you’re not defending communist dictators, you’re fascist?
They truly are missing a few screws.
The admin of this comm is a genocide supporter who spread Israeli fake news during the genocide in gaza.
He deserve a bullet in his brain imo
The rest of it is primal anticommunism. We know, staline killed 1000000000000 people. Now go pay taxes to your favorite genocidal pedophile overlord
Not defending communist dictators is unequal to drinking the cool aid in a nazi bar. You could do one without the other. You don‘t, tho.
What if both those things are bad though? Have you ever had this rational thought?
Yes, thanks, that’s why the comment exists. You are drinking the cool aid in a nazi bar. There’s no need to engage in this toxic community, just because you don’t like people that you (perceive) as defending communist dictators.
I just said both are bad, why not go back to that community instead of bitching about our chuckling?
Because chuckling with nazis is something I condemn in general, maybe you or others like to be aware of what’s happening, if you engage in this community. You chuckle with rightwingers, nazis, genocide deniers, fascists and naive people that don’t realise that. Which one are you?
You keep calling people nazis like that’s your one “gotcha”, everything I hate is Nazi. You people crack me up, but commenting here is kinda breaking the 4th wall. It’s kinda weird.
I didn’t call anyone specific that (lately). But you seem fine with the kind of company you enjoy. I’m just saying stay away, if you don’t enjoy this kind of company. You enjoy chuckling with nazis, that’s regrettable, but your choice.
There is one reason I’m here and one reason alone. And that is because Lemmy.ml and allied instances refuse to allow open discussion and criticism of their ideas there. So we have to find another space for it. I suspect I’m not alone.
Want to decrease the popularity of this community? Stop enforcing wrongthink and allow people to discuss your ideas openly. I guarantee you this com would quickly dwindle.
That’s exactly it. I disagree with a lot of people in this community. I also disagree with a lot of people on lemmy.ml and the like. The difference is that here at least I can disagree without immediately being banned. It’s great that the fediverse allows diversity of thought between different instances, but internally each instance is structured as its own little fiefdom, and lemmy.ml has some questionable leadership.
Sad that MotG is active and popular?
That’s like a republican being upset that Leopards Ate My Face is too busy.
Do they not understand how the material is generated?
Leopard ate my face is a liberal shithole chearing at women who gets deported because of their spouse vote.
“He vote trump, ICE deports his daughter” “Lmao owned. I’m a human turd”
“Cryptofash”, “fashy” 🤔
Feels like bastardizations of already bastardized words, and I wonder if they’re using it to try to sound impactful while not saying much.
Ah yes, of course the people who would have been allies with the Nazis up until the moment Hitler ate their face, the people who looked at Project 2025 and said “still better than Kamala though”, the people supporting extreme authoritarianism and proving horsehoe theory correct… those people want to throw the word “fascist” around 🤣
I hate it because all they achieved is making the word mean nothing. I everyone is calling the other fascist, then it is that much harder to call out actual fascists.
I definitely get what you mean, but I still don’t have trouble calling it how it is
I don’t mean it’s hard to actually say it - but the word gets diluted. And when yo do call out a fascist, it may not carry the weught it should because it is used by tankies or actual fascists as a word for someone who disagrees with them.
Yup.
"Beware the name changers."1
(…and the definition changers)
Beware the name changers. --Andy Crouch
1 Have heard that expression for decades… just now looked up who it’s attributed to… Andy Crouch, says the websearch’s LLM summary… and a quick glance at another LLM’s summary of his political philosophy does intrigue… E.g. “Crouch redefines power not as domination or control, but as the ability to create and introduce new cultural goods. He argues that power, when exercised properly, should be generative and life-giving, rather than oppressive or self-serving.” One to look into more.
If you need more weight, bullets are heavier than words 😁
they became so far left, they are on the alt-right.
Read a book artard. Stalin wanted an alliance with the french and brits but the libs considered them evil
Oh so they didn’t ally with Hitler, huh? 🤔 Dummy. Consider following your own advice.
Welcome to the blocklist lol
EDIT: also like, rightfully so that they were denied. The allies can be proud that they told bullshitters responsible for the worst attrocities in all of human history to fuck off. Genuinely the correct decision.
Just FYI. That’s a no life troll. The acct will be abandoned tomorrow. And they will still have no life.
No worries, I just instablock em. But yeah, it is more sad than anything when you think about the person behind the screen.
“ItS tHe AlLiEs FaUlT wE BuDdIeD uP wItH hItLeR” is pretty hilarious though
there are only two ideologies.
mine and fascists
One of the most important tasks in any propaganda framework is defining the words appropriately.
In particular, the word for “enemy” needs to be carefully chosen.
thats the same thing conservative used. they used things like shitlibs as tankies, or libtards as conservative exact same messaging.
Reminds of other conflationary contortions ; other contortions conflating different political philosophies.
I’m in favour of greater nuance and more dimensions, more clarity in mapping out political philosophies. Such refinement in the search for truth furthers having a fully informed public, necessary for (genuine) democracy (even “representative democracy” (in its best imagined ideal)), and seems only those opposed to democracy and freedom of each and all are in favour of such Orwellianisms. Authoritarians. Tsk tsk. Emperor’s new cloak just aint there. Yay. Here’s to more seeing it.
Remarkably, it’s not that much harder to type Cryptofascist than it is to type Cryptofash. What is a Crypto-fascist, btw?
Some of the worst tankies on Threadi (that lack humanity and behave in the most regressive way possible) in that screenshot.
Also funny how US-centric they are with their use of chud terminology. The vile pro-authoritarians can’t even imagine a world outside of their US-style fake commie online roleplay.
Talkies worship imperialism, the ultimate expression of the ends justifying means, so it makes sense they’d also be snide cultural imperialists without realizing it. I also really think a lot of them would be improved by being extracted from their basements and set to some yard work
Hell, I’d bet just doing their own laundry and giving their moms a break would make them better people.
I didn’t realize they had mothers I thought they crawled out from under a rock fully formed.
Biden killed my friend in beytouth and I hope you rot in hell
Come at me with your real account then we’ll chat.
is your avatar runescape fuckboy?
Yes it is, but there’s no need to call names. Have some of this prayer pot to chill
does it come in enema form?
Potions by John Harvey Kellogg
I did chuckle about how they use far/alt right terminology like “chud”. hmmmmm 🤔🤔🤔
shitlib is another. they might as well call it woke.
You call people cockroach you piece of shit.
Why aren’t you on the frontline? I thought your country was getting invaded
I’d prefer it if it were possible to kick these chuds off the fediverse entirely
And they still don’t see who they are…
“We must forcibly suppress the people who say we’re authoritarian”
tankies stay seething
also apparently like one post every few days is considered popular by tankie standards. geez dude
Cowbee said something right for once.
Except they don’t understand that they are the chuds who have created their own safe spaces.
You have been banned from the DPRK. Glorious leader has spoken.
Cowbee loves to act like he’s not in an echo chamber. All the tankies like him are just currently unemployed dictators. They’re like the people who simp for billionaires…just they do it hoping that they’ll be in charge when “communism” comes around.
a comment on reddit on a sub recently about voters, and they said tankies(i assume the leftist) dont come out in vote in elections, they just whine and bitch behind the screens, and give excuses. for terrible as they are , conservatives at least come in droves to vote all the time. ,most of the time.
thats why tankies and their sort will always fail.
they’re just too cowardly to actually do anything.
[US election 2020: Sanders ‘told of Russian effort to aid his campaign’
](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51582025)
My guess is a lot of them don’t live in the US and/or are russian state actors. Putin is playing “divide and conquer” since quite a while now.
That’s how you get the impression of high online support and low voting results.But please don’t call them “leftist”. Support of Russia and China is authoritarian, the “horseshoe-theorie” is BS. The only thing the left and the right have in common is that they are both heavily targeted by russian propaganda and that’s how you get tankies. The best way to think about them is as Russian state propagandist infiltrating left parties to use them for their goals.
(In germany the left party split exactly because of this so now there is a pro Putin “left” (BSW) and right (AfD) Party)
Oh lord. And I thought the right wing chuds were kings of projection. These people genuinely live in an alternate reality. It’s equal parts fascinating, sad, and disturbing.
Oh lord. And I thought the right wing chuds were kings of projection. These people genuinely live in an alternate reality.
Had my first back-and-forth with one of such ilk a few weeks back… Was quite the exercise in attempting to speak reason to the obviously unreasonable and deceitful. How much was just being lost to an alternative reality? I don’t know. But it wasn’t all of it. The stench of disingenuous strategy was strong. Unshakeable presumption of having the one true way, and the ends justifying any means. Totalitarianised psyche, where any and all atrocities are seen as necessary virtues. Strong suspicion of narcissism too, in the absence of introspection, the gaslighting, projection, and inner fragility triggering ad-hominem attacks from logical critiques of their arguments, taken as threats to them, inducing reflexive social domination mode, and worsening loss of critical thinking. So [regarding being lost to an alternative reality] it’s not none either.
It’s equal parts fascinating, sad, and disturbing.
Yup.
That’s their secret. They’re also right-wingers.
So far left, they’re right. Bizzaro Centrists.
I think it’s more that a genuinely leftist movement in Russia was captured and subjugated by authoritarians and they spent 70 years muddying the waters about what leftism means with their powerful propaganda.
Strong evidence for the horseshoe theory.
To be fair, this is largely why I discredit the left-right paradigm of politics. The graph adding authoritarian vs libertarian helps a bit, but it’s just too complex of a set of ideals to break into simple binaries.
The .ml crew are genuinely leftists. They believe in the value of socialized systems and collective empowerment as opposed to individual merit. The problem is that they’re also authoritarian nutjobs who actively cover up and/or support the wholesale murder of out groups.
Yes, there’s a decent argument that this isn’t true leftism, or a true belief in collective empowerment and the like, but that’s kind my point. Politics are too complicated for simplistic binaries. They carry a number of beliefs that are decidedly left, while simultaneously sharing far more beliefs than they’re willing to admit with the batshit insane nationalists that they claim to detest. They defend authoritarianism at every turn, while simultaneously speaking down to those they perceive as fascist. And not all of it - emphasis on “all”, as a good portion of it is - is as hypocritical as we’d like to believe. Our simplified political binaries just do a bad job of discussing complex ideologies.
I completely agree. Here in Brazil there’s a great example of how badly these binaries fail with Getúlio Vargas.
He got into power with the help of the fascists against the communists. But he was an ultranationalist and those were foreign ideologies, so he persecuted both.
He instituted many workers’ rights and was called big father of the poor, but was also a cruel dictator who committed genocide against the natives, and also persecuted white Europeans who did not had Brazilian culture.
After being deposed he got reelected and committed suicide in a way that saved Brazilian democracy from a military coup.
Fascinating. I’m embarrassingly uneducated on South American politics, though I’ve taught a few EAL learners from there. I appreciate the quick history lesson, genuinely.
They’re just nonexhaustive ways of describing ideologies according to considerations that don’t necessarily matter to you. The left–right spectrum originated from seating arrangements of the revolutionary French national assembly where the right favored conserving the traditional rule of church & feudal hierarchy and the left favored radical liberation from traditional hierarchies toward egalitarian rule, hence conservative right & liberal left. Alignment between social hierarchy & equality is not necessarily as relevant today or our top consideration.
Each of us can choose more relevant considerations to evaluate ideologies. I personally consider unrestricted authority incredibly dangerous, so above all other considerations I prioritize the restriction of authority to protect fundamental liberties. While the pursuit of equality is good, any ideology that does so without limiting authority to protect fundamental liberties is entirely illegitimate & immoral to me. The ends do not justify the means.
I’d argue that’s the main problem with tankies: immoral contempt for fundamental liberties.
Well, they’re conservatives. Their chosen ingroup just happens to be leftists. Same behavior, different markings.
By contrast there are right-wingers who aren’t tribalists blindly performing loyalty. You can spot them as they get booted from their party for insisting on yesterday’s bullshit over today’s bullshit. They’re the schmucks who actually bought their side’s propaganda, never realizing it was only a disposable cudgel.
I do share a concern with these comments though. I never comment here, but I do like laughing at tankie’s bullshit sometimes. However, these types of spaces are very easy and often prone to right-wing infiltration. And they can slowly but surely turn into a Nazi bar, and I think this is something to look out for.
Again, I’ve never comment around here, and I don’t always check the comments. I’m not too familiar with the community, but I have seen some concerning things here and there. And in general lately I feel like Lemmy has taken a more centrist right-wing bend. I think we’ve had another influx from Reddit. I’m not sure, but I am a bit concerned. I might just be overly concerned. Maybe it’s my anxiety disorder at play again. Still, I think it’s worth keeping an eye on.
I think there is more validity to this comment than is being given credit for, here.
If it helps, I don’t think I’ve run across any obviously right wing comments on Lemmy in a long time, at least not any that haven’t been ratioed to hell and back.
Another fun story is c/conservative. It was started by a conservative, iirc, and for reasons I can’t fully recall, is now modded by leftists, and the whole community’s purpose is calling out conservative nonsense.
The social fabric of Lemmy seems to be very anti-conservative, which is really refreshing for me, at least.
There’s a small group of con chuds over at maga place these days, but they don’t seem to be growing for now.
Before them there was one acct I forget right now who was a self declared con, but I don’t think I’ve seen his name pop up in a couple months. It’s lonely on the outskirts of reason when there’s no one else to support your delusions
They were ratioed so consistently and hard that they left for at least another server if not entirely. Hillariouschaos iIRC. The community was considered abandoned and someone applied for stewardship of it and was given it.
If you see a dead community you think you might be able to resuscitate and have the interest. Try contracting the mods. And if the mods have been inactive months/years contact the admins.
its hard to keep conservatives communities going, without constant propaganda bots, mostly from russia infiltrating it, like on REDDIT, where the conservative subs are mostly run by russian backed mods, and thier propaganda bots. because conservatives need constant drama in order to keep it going. they probably went back to reddit, or to X.
I personally hate that people thought it was appropriate to ransack the one conservative community. People complain about the tankies banning people for politics but then the admins go and take over a community for political reasons. As long as they weren’t actively breaking the rules I don’t see why there couldn’t be a conservative community.
It is ok for someone to have different political views. People these days are way to comfortable creating echo chambers that discourage critical thinking.
Honest question. What alternative perspective do you think they could bring that would heighten discourse?
I personally don’t think there is such a thing. Not with modern online conservatives.
I have a million other avenues for listening to conservatives if I want to. I don’t need them here.
Don’t just listen. Offer something of your own to heighten discourse. Defeatism becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I think that is the question we need to answer as humans
Tech among other things has pushed people to be more and more extreme to the point where people are shamed for not being either far left or far right.
Conservative can mean many different things. One can be mostly left with some right leaning beliefs or mostly right with some left leaning beliefs. It isn’t as black and white as the media makes it seem. You should seek out things that make you question your own beliefs.
“that is the question we need to answer”
provides no answer to the question.
Most posting here would equally ridicule the auth right. I may generally disagree with the right. But when there can be open earnest discussion and openness to solutions, with those that identify as right leaning. You’ll find more common ground with them than either auth group that would other and kill you for your dissent.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a right wing poster come in here or well anywhere on lemmy and not get absolutely torn apart.
That probably depends on your personal definition. If you’re talking magats and crypto fash then absolutely. But if we’re talking about socially liberal types we often refer to as progressives. Many of them are still rather pro capitalism. Despite being against oligarchs like the rest of us. They’re about, and that’s okay.
Or for that matter just someone with moderate views
I just want diversity of opinions. People these days treat politics like religion.
Nothing wrong with diversity. And yeah, for a long time politics was just religion. So they are used pretty interchangeably.
Lemmy will never be right-wing, whatever that means anymore.
but if ya spot anything you’re unsure of, or got any concerns, just voice em and i’ll see what i can do
reddit was pretty center right since '16, im not surprised. i dint see any ban waves recently from reddit. at least dint notice like the purges early in the year. i think reddit switched to doing more background banning because they realized they are losing too much users/engagement and only the bots are left.
Once you get to the extremes right and left look about the same
However, Lemmy is very much not right wing. It is very definitely left for better or for worse
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Once you get to the extremes it is all about emotions not factual evidence
Extremes… more than just 1 dimension.
commenting specifically so tankies label me “fashy” while they actively defend dictatorships.
I’d prefer it if it were possible to kick these chuds off the fediverse entirely.
🙃
you can block the tankie triad, but the individual accounts maybe harder i just block everytime i see them.
