Hi, I’m here to announce that everyone pushing the standard Hexbear party line on the protest movement is a loser and wrong. I already know the weak-ass arguments you’re gonna make and every single one of them reveals your disconnection from any actual organizing. Let’s go through them one by one. If you have another that you think Marx Failed to Consider, please bring it up and I will explain how you are wrong in that way as well.
This was funded by the Waltons
No, one Walton bought an ad in the NYT. Who fucking cares? It has no material bearing on the movement whatsoever. There’s no organization money is being funneled to other than the Democratic Party and Indivisble, which is not different in any way. The on-the-ground organizers in most cities and towns are not receiving a penny from the left’s George Soros conspiracy. They’re just normal people (and, to the next point, lots of leftists).
The Democrats are using this to steal the leftist energy of the masses
The Democrats certainly want to do that, but on the ground reports indicate they are losing all over the country. That’s because leftists (especially
) are not leaving this space uncontested. I have spent an enormous amount of time putting in the work to earn the trust and legitimacy necessary to place a bunch of literal revolutionary communists in the leadership of the local movement. Not in some sneaky, behind the scenes way, but out in the open, succeeding specifically because we are literal revolutionary communists who never shut up about it. The Democrats, by my accounting, are losing the struggle in more places than not. If you refuse to engage because you’re afraid the Dems will suck your leftist soul, you’re just conceding the struggle and granting them victory. They don’t co-opt by pressing a button, they co-opt because they have the resources to take leadership and then defuse. So far they have failed to do so specifically because the space is not empty and the communists are fighting harder to reach the masses (since we actually have an appealing program).
The attendees are all Kamala-loving liberals who just want to go back to brunch
If you had ever bothered to go to one of these events and talk politics to people, you’ll discover a very broad array of political perspectives, including a strong trend towards explicit support for socialism. Yes, of course, the PMC bug-eating libs are there - who cares? They are by no means the only attendees. Maybe you’re just Too Cool to be around someone who reminds you of your mom, but the rest of us are finding deep political discontent and activating it. When one of my comrades gets on the mic and says “we need to break from the democrats and do a literal socialist revolution”, the crowd response, by and large, is incredibly positive. The retired dentists and accountants in the crowd grumble and whine, but they are a minority - and they don’t leave. They stay and listen to the arguments we make. They say things like “you’re right, I just don’t think it’s possible”. They very, very rarely say “you’re going too far”.
This is a disorganized mess that’s going to fizzle out
50501 and other decentralized spontaneous protest movements never last, but they do give an opportunity for dedicated political organizers to intervene on a stage where thousands of disaffected liberals and Democrat voters are asking “what is to be done?”. If you decide not to show up and answer that question, the Democrat machine will coordinate the demobilization of this movement. If you do show up and you deliver the political argument you believe in. If you show up with the AV equipment, safety marshalls, march route, signs, and speaker list - the bare minimum for a halfway serious organizer - then you don’t just hand out flyers and talk at a table but set the entire political line of the event. And in doing so, you demonstrate the leadership of the socialist movement and win a lot of those attendees to your side. If you can plug them into actual organizing work, you can bring them into permanent political motion. Does it matter if 95% of these people just go home and never bother to do anything besides another protest? If those 5% join the movement in a meaningful way, that’s half a million new comrades.
Mao says: “All work done for the masses must start from their needs and not from the desire of any individual, however well-intentioned. It often happens that objectively the masses need a certain change, but subjectively they are not yet conscious of the need, not yet willing or determined to make the change. In such cases, we should wait patiently. We should not make the change until, through our work, most of the masses have become conscious of the need and are willing and determined to carry it out. Otherwise we shall isolate ourselves from the masses. Unless they are conscious and willing, any kind of work that requires their participation will turn out to be a mere formality and will fail.”
Stop thinking about what you want to do and achieve and start thinking about the fact that we needs tens of millions of people to support revolutionary socialism in the US in order to get anything done. They are out in the streets begging for you to explain this to them.
These are just peaceful protests that won’t achieve anything because they aren’t revolutionary.
Lenin says: “What grounds are there for assuming that the “great, victorious, world” revolution can and must employ only revolutionary methods? There are none at all. The assumption is a pure fallacy; this can be proved by purely theoretical propositions if we stick to Marxism. The experience of our revolution also shows that it is a fallacy. From the theoretical point of view—foolish things are done in time of revolution just as at any other time, said Engels, and he was right. We must try to do as few foolish things as possible, and rectify those that are done as quickly as possible, and we must, as soberly as we can, estimate which problems can be solved by revolutionary methods at any given time and which cannot.”
You’re doing the ultra-leftism of conflating tactics with strategy. Our tactic in this moment is to intervene in these protests to convince people of the necessity of a revolutionary socialist political organization as the only solution to our sick society. Right now, mass revolutionary socialist consciousness and organization does not exist in the USA. Therefore, it is impossible to carry out open revolutionary militancy. If the current crop of people who are in some way directly involved in revolutionary socialist organizing (certainly a lower bar than revolutionary guerrilla warfare or sabotage) turned today to armed struggle, all ~100,000 of them would lose. The broader periphery of people who semi-passively support that objective through attendance at events and monetary contribution is probably a few million. The masses who would passively support probably number in the tens of millions, but that passive support is not particularly useful. And the number of people who would simply sit by and watch it happen is probably over 100 million. Every one of those groups needs to be elevated to the next stage - observer to passive supporter, passive supporter to semi-passive periphery, semi-passive periphery to revolutionary organizer, revolutionary organizer to doing the literal revolution. Each of these layers of the movement have a symbiotic relationship with the others that strengthen the entire struggle.
Here’s the key lesson: WE DON’T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO WIN VIOLENT STRUGGLE AND YOU NEED TO GO WHERE THE MASSES ARE TO RALLY THEM TO OUR CAUSE.
Amerikkkans will never do a revolution because they are labor aristokkkrauts
Ok, thank you for you contribution, you can resume sitting in a hole since your prescription is inactivity.
Please tell me your other weak-ass reasons why you’re correct to sit on your ass.
I personally am trying to thread the needle between my opinions of “This is another protest that isn’t going anywhere.” and “We need to be out there agitating and organizing in moments like these when people are paying attention.”

This is a protest movement that likely won’t last, but these are excellent ways to connect with agitated people who are looking for a solution. If you want to organize a revolution, you don’t organize “the left” by only participating in the most pure and sacrosanct whatevers; YOU NEED TO ORGANIZE THE WORKING CLASS.
These marches are absolutely filled with working class people asking “what is to be done” and even if 90% of them won’t join or be fit for a movement, that still leaves giant numbers who are suddenly now reachable, in person!!!
This comment could summarize the whole thread honestly (positive)
It’s the PSL party line (rightfully) and what every branch has found through practice. Correct ideas come from practice, and baby, I’m practicing

Yeah, my post history might not show it, but offline this is my position as well. I mean, you have to be where the people are, right? The Sanders rallies, I think, are the real revolutionary lightning rods. There are too many people attending these protests for them to be highly effective lightning rods. Too large to totally dominate the message at the local level.
but offline this is my position as well.
I suspect this is exactly why the disconnect here is occurring.
People, who ultimately know they must organize amongst the masses, bemoaning the obnoxious liberal chauvinism on display at these rallies…on the sole internet forum where you can openly shit on liberals without the fash jumping in and ruining the fun.
Meanwhile, every super serious™ Lenin enjoyer or mass line enthusiast here reads the complaint as if they are saying “we can’t organize here” and throwing in the towel because garden variety American liberals are uniquely unreachable.
It’s a similar frustration to the one that plays out when one person in a relationship is trying to vent while the other party only offers suggestions toward a solution. Yeah, your solution might be correct, but I just wanted to commiserate and feel validation that my feelings aren’t in isolation.
The one problem I have with Hexbear site culture is how often someone will read a post that is either lamenting the state of affairs, expressing frustration with the actions (or lack thereof) of the anti-imperialist bloc, or wishing for an unlikely outcome is met with hostility as if it were indicative of actual organizational strategy of utmost importance and not just a mere expression of anxiety, cope, or zealous optimism.
For most of us, this is the one place people have to seek validation or shared sentiment on current events without being dogpiled by annoying libs, and it makes me sad to see so many people called a doomer or “nothing ever happens guys” or idealist or an ultra for sincerely utilizing that outlet to vent their feelings. Especially when people create meta drama threads taking the least charitable interpretation of their takes.
Shit dog you fucking nailed it. That’s exactly why I’m here. I keep a cool and level head most days and this place allows me to get that pent up energy out. My SO can be that sounding board too, but you can’t keep that up forever, its exhausting.
This connected space can also do the opposite too. Look at my post history. You can see what I’m talking about. Try to discuss lib shit and get called a Nazi in return. That’s a new one for me. I’ll chock it up to high tensions but still.
As a fellow grass-toucher, this post goes hard. I have never in my life been to a more libbed-up protest but I was happy to be there with my comrades. I think many armchair organizers are far more worried about appearing the same as liberals when instead they should be worried about making more socialists.
I don’t know who you’re replying to so the impact of this post is lost on me. If someone on Hexbear said that Walmart is paying people to show up to protests then you should have called them out in the thread where they said it. Making a new post to say that all hexbears believe that is odd. Your whole post is like “Listen up here you fucking cracker reactionaries, I’m gonna set you strait and let you know that we need to build popular support before we can have a revolution!” Like who is disagreeing? This is premium Hexbear online posting. I don’t know why we’re kidding ourselves thinking this is some kind of grass-touching anthem.
If you went to the protest, did some canvassing/organizing work, and posted about it here later in the day, you’d know exactly where OP is coming from. I know because I did the same thing, but didn’t have enough fury to bang out 7 paragraphs about it.
It’s important to call out this ultraleft position in our community to invite our comrades to reflect and develop a different perspective.
fuck is this post? i want to sit on hexbear and talk shit while smelling my own farts
Your role in the struggle is vital beyond measure

I actually support every protest because I enjoy the violence
It sounds like what you’re arguing is that the No Kings protest is an attempt by libs to coopt radical energy and has the involvement of countless moderates, but that radicals must engage with it because it can readily backfire on the liberals and produce more radicals. I completely agree with such a sentiment. The capitalists will sell us the rope.
I agree 100% with this and especially because I know my only excuse for not engaging more in these protests in my regions is my own cowardice.
Really cool to hear that the Dems are as weak as they seem at the local electoral level.
o7 comrade
I give up on them. I’ve had enough can kicking. I’ve had enough “the struggle continues” Our Princess is in another Castle bullshit. It’s old. It’s tiring. Every fucking time. The “have faith”. It’s no longer worth it to me. I don’t have the sanity or patience anymore for it, nor the finances. I lost faith this place wil ever get better. If you still got fire and faith then well good on you.
Hey there, that’s not fair. You can take an active part in the death of America! Revolutionary organizing is not just unjustified optimism in the revolutionary potential of Burgerland. You can also organize locally to [redacted].
I can see both sides of this
On the one hand my local No Kings protest was mostly libbed up white boomers carrying one of 2 fascist flags (usually
but also more than a handful of
) but on the other hand I ran into a bunch of comrades there I knew from pro Palestine demonstrations and there were even some others with Palestinian flags and more who supported us when they saw our flagsFunniest moment of the day was when one of our local reps who’s also a pastor at a black church tried to get this crowd of mostly white boomers to sing along to a song and literally none of them were singing along (it was just me and like 3 other people who actually did) she said “I can’t hear you sing!” to try to energize the crowd like 5 times before giving up
A real mixed bag overall

It’s a little odd to me that people here will decry an organized protest as “libbed up” and a “pysop.” Resistance is resistance. This kind of attitude is reminiscent of “you’re not protesting how I want you to!” from reactionaries. We live in the cradle of empire, most people protesting against the regime aren’t going to be staunch Marxists or some shit. We can use these movements to our advantage; even Lenin wrote about making compromises, zigzags, and the like if a movement weakened a common enemy. They serve as opportunities to raise class consciousness, something especially needed in the west. The list go on. The knee-jerk abhorrence just seems silly to me.
A lot of people who call others libs who need to read theory could use some theory to learn about the concept of dual power.
Reiterating my point that if the protest is within walking distance, it’s alright to attend, but if you have to drive 40+ minutes and pay for parking, you’re better off spending that money on Palestinian gofundmes.
If you want a more “leftist” reason, once you’re spending 40+ minutes to drive to another location, that really isn’t your community anymore, so everything that various people, both socialists and progressives, say about building community is not applicable for the simple reason that community is only applicable to people within walking distance (or a short <10 minute drive if we’re talking about suburbia since suburbia is hostile towards pedestrians).
Reiterating my point that if the protest is within walking distance, it’s alright to attend, but if you have to drive 40+ minutes and pay for parking
that’s the worst fucking thing about American protests. Everyone get in the car, we’re driving to the protest.
I’m going to flip this and go back to my usual point which no one has answered.
How has PSL managed to grow for 10+ years and not sought and won a single local office? Is PSL actually running for local positions or state positions? At which point does PSL transition from talking to people on the streets and starts picking off as many offices in Dem-controlled areas as possible?
What you say and did is all well and good, but Lenin also urged us to participate in bourgeois parliamentary politics through a revolutionary party. Correct me if I’m wrong and PSL does do this but so far every PSL member I’ve spoken to doesn’t seem to think this is happening in PSL beyond the Presidential campaign. Of course PSL is out at No Kings, this is the kind of thing PSL has done (and done well, granted) for about a decade, but this is obviously not sufficient. For a revolutionary party to be doing the same thing, funneling members to lib protests to siphon people, 10+ years later isn’t a great look when unpaired with building local power. PSL seems to me like a party that likes to go to protests, which is cool and I’m not against, but doesn’t seem to read one of the most important parts of “Left Wing” Communism. On the other hand, if people don’t go to No Kings because they understand that, even as Communists, it isn’t connected to a larger strategy then they aren’t being “Left Wing” libs if they might just know there are better ways to get people involved at this stage than to go to these types of protests.
This is meant in good faith, by the way. I like PSL and I’ve been in contact with them longer than most here have but genuinely and frustratingly do not understand what the hell it’s doing as a party.





















