If you’re openly advocating for extreme violence in a public place, you’re an idiot. People have been and will continue to be imprisoned for this in the US and other countries.
Am I “they” in your statement? I’m not familiar with what whoever this is. If a person is saying “you should shoot ICE agents with guns when you see them, here’s where they are going to be at X time” thats pretty reasonable to not tolerate. As its a direct call to action with details that allow an individual or group to become an imminent threat. You can go to jail for that and if you facilitate it by not moderating it, I’d imagine you’re also culpable. If they say “ICE is a contemporary gestapo and is flagrantly committing crimes against humans” thats an unreasonable thing to censor. Again, my knowledge on the statement posted is limited but I’d imagine they are talking about statements like the former, not the latter.
What you think doesn’t matter if it is objectively illegal. I don’t think the speed limit should be 65 on my favorite highway. I think it should be 90. Yet I will still be pulled over,ticketed and maybe arrested if I go 90 there.
Yeah, impunity is the sticking point there lmao. You and I don’t have that nor should we nor should ICE even though they seem to. Keeping yourself out of jail is step one on making a change. Making it demonstrably easier to put you in jail (by posting threats or non 1A protected speech on a PUBLIC PLATFORM) is idiotic. Like I said in another comment saying shit like I’m talking about is almost always strictly performative. If it wasn’t you’d be out there shooting people or facilitating that act. Not saying how it should or could happen on social media. If you’re using social media to facilitate an act of violence that is a crime, like I laid out in my other comment. Remember step one.
Given the first amendment and the supreme courts stance on originalism one could make a compelling argument that this type of speech is legal. As an example. One could further point to any example of the current administration or the police or examine historical injustice codified into law. Or, just look at Israeli actions.
Laws are enforced by power. And are dictated by societal pressure. They are not objective in the slightest. There’s an entire profession dedicated to the subjectivity of laws.
Fascist governments will always find ways to imprison dissenters, this is just one way they do so – they’ve been treating those trying to track ICE agents as if they are “violent extremists”
What’s to stop this fascist government from defining criticism against them as violent extremism? Because that is what they are trying to do. That is always what fascists do. Just following laws won’t keep us safe. Laws do not align with morality.
Yup… usually involving massive IP theft, CSAM, financial fraud or data breaches… AND often driven by industrial/financial/legal entities.
First Amendment speech issues around people venting about a government that right now, seems to have pissed EVERONE off, isn’t likely going to get much traction outside of Kash Patel’s brownnosing FBI circle-jerk.
Yeah I’d agree “venting” about it isn’t going to get anyone anywhere. I do draw a distinction between venting and calling for violence while including information that would make enacting that violence quick and easy. To stay clear, I am vehemently opposed to ICE and the actions they’ve been taking.
I hear Kash got called out recently by a senator for being a drunk on the job.
You know, the more I read up on these clowns, I am beginning to wonder if the whole declarations of this group, that group and the others as being terrorists and a threat to national security… actually it’s all theater made up to hide just how incompetent the current crop of Trump asskissers all really are.
while including information that would make enacting that violence quick and easy.
Is that something you’ve been seeing a lot of? Or are you inventing something that’s not happening in order to make what is happening sound worse than it is?
Idk how often you go on Reddit but it’s extremely common there mostly in the locality subs. Like daily posts in just the few cities/states I’ve lived in so presumably happening across most of these subs so that’s not inventing something to make it sound worse it’s literally just happening in plain sight
I laid out two options in my other comment, one included that. Based on the implications being made about sharing the flock camera locations. Given that the information given in the post includes the words violent extremist and violence against elected officals. Makes me assume violence is involved. But overall my only real point is don’t post that you want to or want people to commit violence on a public platform. Have that opinion, sure, talk about it with your friends/associates, sure, don’t broadcast it to the world. Doing so is just performative bullshit that could get you tossed in jail. I hate ICE and what they have been doing with immigrants.
Real talk, that’s why even though I’m like double VPN’d I’m not going to say https://youtu.be/KivCRqfFcqY openly. Or that capitalism is inherently evil.
The problem with this stance is the line in the sand is always moving. It’s either violence now or violence later. Or maybe you just hope that it won’t come to that for you.
Sure, posting it on social media (which this is) is idiotic for so many different reasons as well as strictly performative 99.99999999999% of the time.
If you’re openly advocating for extreme violence in a public place, you’re an idiot. People have been and will continue to be imprisoned for this in the US and other countries.
by “extreme violence” they mean speaking against ICE btw
Am I “they” in your statement? I’m not familiar with what whoever this is. If a person is saying “you should shoot ICE agents with guns when you see them, here’s where they are going to be at X time” thats pretty reasonable to not tolerate. As its a direct call to action with details that allow an individual or group to become an imminent threat. You can go to jail for that and if you facilitate it by not moderating it, I’d imagine you’re also culpable. If they say “ICE is a contemporary gestapo and is flagrantly committing crimes against humans” thats an unreasonable thing to censor. Again, my knowledge on the statement posted is limited but I’d imagine they are talking about statements like the former, not the latter.
I don’t think the first statement shouldn’t be tolerated.
What you think doesn’t matter if it is objectively illegal. I don’t think the speed limit should be 65 on my favorite highway. I think it should be 90. Yet I will still be pulled over,ticketed and maybe arrested if I go 90 there.
Lmao imagine Arguing what is legal and what is illegal when discussing dealing with ICE and all the illegal shit they do with impunity every say
Yeah, impunity is the sticking point there lmao. You and I don’t have that nor should we nor should ICE even though they seem to. Keeping yourself out of jail is step one on making a change. Making it demonstrably easier to put you in jail (by posting threats or non 1A protected speech on a PUBLIC PLATFORM) is idiotic. Like I said in another comment saying shit like I’m talking about is almost always strictly performative. If it wasn’t you’d be out there shooting people or facilitating that act. Not saying how it should or could happen on social media. If you’re using social media to facilitate an act of violence that is a crime, like I laid out in my other comment. Remember step one.
Mandela, Gandhi, MLK, Pankhurst… it’s not uncommon for someone to trigger revolution from behind bars.
In principle anyway. Not that any of the online idiots we’re talking about are on that kind of path.
Correct
There is no such thing as objectively illegal.
Given the first amendment and the supreme courts stance on originalism one could make a compelling argument that this type of speech is legal. As an example. One could further point to any example of the current administration or the police or examine historical injustice codified into law. Or, just look at Israeli actions.
Laws are enforced by power. And are dictated by societal pressure. They are not objective in the slightest. There’s an entire profession dedicated to the subjectivity of laws.
That’s one way to look at it.
What does objective mean to you
Legality and morality are two different things.
Correct
Fascist governments will always find ways to imprison dissenters, this is just one way they do so – they’ve been treating those trying to track ICE agents as if they are “violent extremists”
What’s to stop this fascist government from defining criticism against them as violent extremism? Because that is what they are trying to do. That is always what fascists do. Just following laws won’t keep us safe. Laws do not align with morality.
They’re already trying to classify anyone who is against fascism as a terrorist.
Exactly
I hear ya and I don’t disagree.
their “domestic terrorism” is mapping ICE and Flock Cameras
You gonna let this loser talk about you like that, Kash?
ain’t that the tooth
yes like they can gather all the instance admins around the globe, and then finally get the IP of my exit proxy
You recognize interpol has arrested dozens of people around the world for internent related crimes right?
Yup… usually involving massive IP theft, CSAM, financial fraud or data breaches… AND often driven by industrial/financial/legal entities.
First Amendment speech issues around people venting about a government that right now, seems to have pissed EVERONE off, isn’t likely going to get much traction outside of Kash Patel’s brownnosing FBI circle-jerk.
Yeah I’d agree “venting” about it isn’t going to get anyone anywhere. I do draw a distinction between venting and calling for violence while including information that would make enacting that violence quick and easy. To stay clear, I am vehemently opposed to ICE and the actions they’ve been taking.
I hear Kash got called out recently by a senator for being a drunk on the job.
You know, the more I read up on these clowns, I am beginning to wonder if the whole declarations of this group, that group and the others as being terrorists and a threat to national security… actually it’s all theater made up to hide just how incompetent the current crop of Trump asskissers all really are.
Weird timeline we’re in right now, for sure.
Is that something you’ve been seeing a lot of? Or are you inventing something that’s not happening in order to make what is happening sound worse than it is?
Idk how often you go on Reddit but it’s extremely common there mostly in the locality subs. Like daily posts in just the few cities/states I’ve lived in so presumably happening across most of these subs so that’s not inventing something to make it sound worse it’s literally just happening in plain sight
I laid out two options in my other comment, one included that. Based on the implications being made about sharing the flock camera locations. Given that the information given in the post includes the words violent extremist and violence against elected officals. Makes me assume violence is involved. But overall my only real point is don’t post that you want to or want people to commit violence on a public platform. Have that opinion, sure, talk about it with your friends/associates, sure, don’t broadcast it to the world. Doing so is just performative bullshit that could get you tossed in jail. I hate ICE and what they have been doing with immigrants.
“internet related crimes” is like saying “ocean related crimes”
I mean yeah dude sure, you’re invincible because you have a VPN.
a lot more than that 😎
Sick
https://www.security.org/vpn/best/no-log/
https://temp-mail.org/
https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.00835
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJh_nkgwTjw&t=84
https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b/
https://www.instructables.com/Setting-Up-a-Raspberry-Pi-Wi-Fi-Extender/
https://www.kali.org/
https://dev.to/shankarsurya035/deauthentication-attack-using-kali-linux-h5e
indeed but this isnt facebook where you email crappyitdept@slopware.co and instantly get all their details
tldr: it depends
Real talk, that’s why even though I’m like double VPN’d I’m not going to say https://youtu.be/KivCRqfFcqY openly. Or that capitalism is inherently evil.
capitalism is evil
You just did?
The problem with this stance is the line in the sand is always moving. It’s either violence now or violence later. Or maybe you just hope that it won’t come to that for you.
Sure, posting it on social media (which this is) is idiotic for so many different reasons as well as strictly performative 99.99999999999% of the time.
So the latter. Got it.
Lmao trolling or you don’t even remotely understand the concept.
If you’re privately advocating for it when you haven’t done the harder activism first there’s also room for introspection
(Try and probably find there’s too much policy/community work to have time to think about violence)
or a FED