“welp”
It’s not called Fiat currency for no reason. There’s lots of rumors of a global switch to state backed crypto coins or purely digital currency. That way the normal people can’t hide any money, their money can be turned off unlike cash.
My money can be turned off! Heck no, hard pass on that
The goal is control.
We already have mostly digital currency.
Money is created when a bank creates a loan, by starting with nothing and then splitting that nothing into a credit in one account (the borrower’s checking account, usually) and a debit in another (the borrower’s loan balance). From there, most transactions are digital where an ACH transfer or similar results in some numbers being subtracted from one account and added to another.
Almost all of this happens on computers, and even before computers it just happened literally on a paper ledger, with paper checks.
You might ask, “wait where does the bank get its money from to be able to allow money to be withdrawn or transferred to another bank?” If the bank doesn’t have the liquidity to do so, it can always borrow money from other banks or the government, with the last resort in the United States being the federal reserve banks, who by the way also print all the paper currency. So having that backstop is important for regular banks to have the power to create money, but the actual creation of money happens digitally to begin with, regardless of whether the bank later needs to distribute paper bills or borrow from the federal reserve.
Well only central banks can create it out of thin air. Normal banks lend other people’s money (fractional reserve banking)
That’s not how any of it works though.
It’s how all of it works. Money is just balances on double-entry bookkeeping, and the paper currency essentially is a piece of paper that the bearer of that paper is good for moving the balances in that ledger system.
And almost all of those ledgers are now digital.
By that logic any bank could grow arbitrarily large by just underwriting more loans. Then there’d be no competition between any of them and my job would be so much easier.
Republic credits are no good here.
I need something more real.
If you compare it with Gold - against which the USD moved in lockstep until the US left the Gold Standart - it’s a lot worse than just a 50% loss since 2013, more like a 65% of value.
The fall is probably the same in terms of real inflation (as actually felt by people in terms of how much less their money buys) - the official inflation figures understate inflation (probably because the mathematical calculation for GDP involves raw GDP being deflated by inflation, so the less the official inflation is the more politicians can harp about how much they made GDP “grow”) and this has been going on for decades, which is why a single blue collar salary that used to be enough for a good house, a car and the expenses for a family of 5 in the 60s, now can barelly pay the rent of small appartment in a major city.
If you compare it with Gold
Which you shouldn’t do because gold is a very volatile commodity. It went down from 2012 to 2018, then up from 2018 to 2024, then it went up extremely quickly since 2024. Gold is just something people put money in based on FOMO, or based on fears of stock market crashes, or based on other “vibes”.
In addition, a lot of the world’s gold is simply held in the form of jewelry in India. It’s not even used as a direct “investment”, it’s just a pretty, shiny metal.
the USD moved in lockstep until the US left the Gold [Standard]
You’ll never guess why that happened… although if you look at the name of the standard, it might give you a clue.
which is why a single blue collar salary that used to be enough for a good house, a car and the expenses for a family of 5 in the 60s
In the US. You know, essentially the only industrialized country that escaped from WWII with its manufacturing infrastructure intact, and was, as a result, supplying the entire world while everyone else was rebuilding.
The UK was another victor in WWII along with the US, but their workers weren’t living in luxury. Rationing of meat ended in 1954 in the UK, nearly 10 years after the war. If you want to know what it was like in the UK in the post-war period, just look at stories of the early lives of the members of the Beatles.
In the US, the post war period not only followed the war, but also the great depression. The great depression ended with the New Deal, which shifted a lot of power from the rich to the workers. Workers from 1945 to the 1970s or so greatly benefited from those policies.
So, this 1960s family with 5 kids, a car and a good house on a worker’s salary wasn’t typical. It was probably the best off that workers were in the world since European workers who survived the black plague – and all it took was a devastating world war that destroyed the infrastructure of most of the world’s developed countries, other than the USA, plus a devastating depression lasting a decade that forced the government to institute programs that gave workers benefits.
(Oh yeah, and it only applied to white Americans.)
which is why a single blue collar salary that used to be enough for a good house, a car and the expenses for a family of 5 in the 60s, now can barelly pay the rent of small appartment in a major city.
Except this isn’t remotely true. For American’s you had the 62% home ownership in 1960’s for much smaller homes (on average 700 sqft) vs 65% now for an average of 2000sqft. The average American family in 1960 owned 1 vehicle, they now own 2. They went on less vacations, moms typically had to work on top of taking care of the family (little to no daycare), oh and interest rates were much higher as well (on top of that pesky women couldn’t even own a home by themselves). Single person living was roughly 10% vs 30% now, oh and those hard working dads often didn’t live by a year past retirement. And if you were a minority? You absolutely were f’ed.
Yes, costs are higher now relative to income, but demands also are. Want cheap, you move out to rural areas, but risk you don’t have work. The same problem that has been endemic in the US since it’s inception.
Yes, costs are higher now relative to income, but demands also are.
There is a dangerous underlying logic to this line of reasoning. Treating all technological innovation as an added cost to be borne by the end consumer leads to one inescapable dead end. Yes, sometimes there are actual costs. If so, fine. However, this blanket notion of hedonic price adjustment increases wealth inequality with no end. It isn’t a sensible and we should be thankful our ancestors were not so foolish or we’d all be living in trees or caves right now.
62% home ownership in 1960’s for much smaller homes (on average 700 sqft) vs 65% now for an average of 2000sqft
62% -> 65% sounds reasonable.
700 sqft on average -> 2000 sqft on average is suspicious though. It’s possible stats got skewed by the top 1%, who are today richer than ever before, and own ridiculous amount of property. Median sqft perhaps would be more representative
Thing is, giant mansions existed in the 19th century too. They would’ve already been affecting the average home size in the 20th century.
The growth AFAIK is largely driven by the suburban mcmansions, which aren’t necessarily a 1% thing.
In all fairness I only saw evidence of that for Great Britain because a journalist of The Guardian actually notice that his daughter’s salary and his father’s salary were the same when inflation adjusted yet bought way less now, so he wrote an article about it.
I’ve read things that led me to believe that there is a similar situation in the US but I don’t know specifically how far the difference is in the US.
More like the price of gold is artificially inflated far beyond any actual value.
The gold price was always artificially inflated. It’s just currently higher than normal because a lot of people anticipate a catastrophic end to the AI bubble.
You don’t understand what gold is being used for, it’s insurance against government printing and is impossible to forge and hard to steal if your not stupid and actually pay for security, unlike things like bitcoin. Its used as the currency for century’s for a reason and is often fallen back upon as a last resort for a reason. Silver isn’t because it’s not as fininite but is good as a more ubiquidous self backed currency for the same reason, just more for the common man.
The reason golds value is so high is because it is the price of combine debts that verious fiat deal could cover over all these years, that’s why it’s so high. When a debt can’t be covered in cash, gold is often sold to make up the diffrence, over time that has caused its price to rise due to it being represented against these assets, it seems people can’t get enough of the shiny metal.
I understand it fine. At least the parts of what you said that are true anyway. Much of it is false but even if it weren’t, I think you’re misunderstanding my meaning.
Gold being used as a currency is ascribing to it an artificial value. It is no different than say, printing a number on a piece of paper and saying that paper is now valuable. It’s a rock that we take out of the ground. If we tried as hard to dig up gold as we do digging up oil, we might eventually dig it all up in a few thousand years.
Oil has value because we use it for all kinds of crap. It’s so useful we also trade it because it’s valuable. This is true of every other commodity. Gold has so far outpaced its actual industrial value it’s functionally just another currency, victim to the same manipulations as any other currency.
The alternative view is that the real value of government issued currencies has fallen and Gold just kept going along with its 1.2% yearly inflation due to gold mining.
That the official currencies buy less and less (as I pointed) leans more towards the view that the value of government issued and controller currencies is being inflated away much faster than the value of an ancient currency which is not controlled by any government and only devalues by more of it being mined.
In other words, at medium and long time frames Gold is not an investment asset, it’s a store of wealth outside the control of politicians.
If there is more gold, it’s value should go down. The price should only go up when supply becomes limited, or some new thing demands more than usual.
Gold has a lot of practical use, but because it’s value is hyper inflated it is almost always more cost effective to use a cheaper material. Which, incidentally, is driving the cost of those materials up.
I’m not saying gold should be the same price as copper. I am saying that in a rational environment the prices should be comparably similar.
As it is, gold is 10,000 times as expensive as copper.
If there is more gold, it’s value should go down. The price should only go up when supply becomes limited, or some new thing demands more than usual.
You’re thinking of Gold as a consumer good, I’m thinking of Gold as a currency which is what traditionally gold has been. Even nowadays very little gold is actually consumed (it’s used in small quantities for things like wiring inside a microchip package the pads of the dies to the package pins).
When a cross-currency exchange rate changes all that you know for sure is that the relative value of a currency has changed vs that of a different currency - maybe one currency went up in worth, maybe the other currency went down in worth, maybe both at the same time, maybe both went down at different speeds, maybe both went up at different speeds.
It’s exactly because “if there is more gold, it’s value should go down” AND gold has being up in quantity by about 1.2% per year due to mining, that I’m saying that the movement of the cross-currency exchange rate of the GLDUSD pair is more easilly explained by the fall in value of the US Dollar rather than by some greater worth of Gold.
It makes sense that the currency that nowadays is mainly created when banks lend money (as explained in the Bank Of England paper “Money Creation in the Modern Economy”) would lose value way faster than the currency that’s created when more of it is mined and mining only adds around 1.2% to its amount in human hands per year.
I’m actually saying that Gold is going down in value, it’s just that the Dollar, Euro and most other paper currencies are going down in value even faster so the cross-currency exchange rates between Gold and those currencies are such that the same amount of Gold can buy more of those currencies.
Gold has a lot of practical use, but because it’s value is hyper inflated it is almost always more cost effective to use a cheaper material.
Well, you see, you got the consequence right but you didn’t go back enough enough in analysing the causal chain to get to the root causes - gold price vs the price of inferior alternatives for many of its uses, such as Copper, is at its root what it is because there is way less Gold in the Earth’s crust that we can mine than there is Copper as you can see here (note that the vertical scale is logarithmic).
Copper is between 100,000 and a million times more abundant than Gold.
Per your logic Gold should be at least 100,000x more expensive than Copper, not just 10,000x.
In Human History stuff that is rare and doesn’t decay tends to become a store of value - at one point even Aluminum was a store of value because it was rare since the process to extract it from Bauxite handn’t been invented yet.
This also means that if suddenly some way to mine way more Gold is found (say, asteroid mining), its price will collapse vs things that don’t benefit from it, similarly to what happened to Aluminum when the process to get it from Bauxite was invented.
It’s the modern government issued currencies whose tokens are not themselves rare materials (the so-called “paper currencies”) or a stated guaranteed IOU for a rare material (such the USD was during the Gold standard when the USD was legally tradable for Gold by the US Government at a fixed rate) that are in Historical terms unusual and very recent (less than a century old). For me it makes sense that any weird movements in the exchange rate between Gold and government issued currencies is more likely explained by issues with these “recent” inventions rather than issues with what was a currency for millenia.
Even with a fixed money supply, prices are still set by a formula that accounts for the velocity of money, or how often any particular unit of money is spent (I spend a dollar at the store, who spends the dollar with a supplier, who spends the dollar by paying a worker, who spends the dollar and so on and so forth). It also accounts for the total economic production.
Peg the whole thing to a semi fixed supply of gold and the prices can still change drastically with shifts in the velocity of money or total aggregate production. That’s why fiat currency is good, so that the central bank can pull on different levers to try to keep prices stable, even as different things are happening.
Two points:
- We don’t have a fixed money supply in the modern system when banks can issue debt. Not even close. I suggest you read the Bank Of England’s paper called “Money Making in the Modern Economy” which I mentioned.
- We’re talking about different things here. I’m not suggesting Gold as a trade token, I’m not even suggesting Gold as a store of value for stable times, I’m suggesting gold as a store of value against things like large economic crashes (the upcoming AI bubble crash, possibly with a Realestate bubble crash) and those times when the dominant Imperial Power in the World is being replaced by a now one (such as it seems to be the case new ones, as now with the US decaying and China rising). I’m suggesting that, purely because Gold has way less exposure to Politics and human mismanagement in general than even major currencies.
I think I failed so far at explaining myself mainly by talking too much.
My point is simple: gold and fiat currencies are roughly the same, but gold isn’t issued by anybody and isn’t managed by anybody whilst fiat currencies are, so gold is less exposed to the risks inherent to greed and corruption of those who issue and manage currencies - there’s not temptation to “issue more gold” because it’s not at all possible, there is nobody deciding “gold interest rates” because there is no such thing (to have interest you need to have more money tomorrow than you have today, as today’s loan will be repaid tomorrow plus interest and you can’t really make more gold any faster than mining it)
Gold has less exposure to Politicians and Central Banks - that’s it, that’s the important difference.
In stable times when living in mature Economies, that difference is pretty much irrelevant, in times like now it can make a huge difference which is probably why the GLDUSD exchange rate took of with the Russian invasion of Ukraine and accelerated even more with Trump’s second mandate as POTUS.
We don’t have a fixed money supply in the modern system when banks can issue debt. Not even close. I suggest you read the Bank Of England’s paper called “Money Making in the Modern Economy” which I mentioned.
Yes, I’m quite familiar with that paper.
I’m not arguing that we have a fixed money supply. I was saying that if we were on a gold standard, in an alternative universe hypothetical, where the money supply was close to fixed, we would probably see worse price volatility.
Currencies are arbitrary. Gold has some industrial value, but essentially no utility to own.
Imagine the global economy collapses, and you have 100 tons of gold - what good will it do you?
Currencies have value based on what you can exchange them for - that is why dollars (and euros and all fiat) are valuable. People will give me things I want if I give them some paper. Gold as a currency is the same, but only as long as people value it. Exactly the same as fiat. It being limited only affects the per-unit PRICE assuming some value, it doesn’t give it value to begin with.
Again, you stopped your logical analysis before you got to the end of the logical chain.
Gold differs from fiat currencies in that it cannot be inflated away by politicians and central bankers.
That’s it.
It’s everything as you wrote AND gold’s value over the mid and long term isn’t really controlled by politicians or central bankers because they can’t issue more of it, which they can with fiat currencies - since the end of the Bretton Woods system, Gold in average just putters along losing 1.2% of value a year, not really caring about the quality of politics in any country.
So holding Gold rather than EUR, USD, GBP or so on is really just trying to protect oneself from Economic mismanagement of currencies.
Everything as you wrote applies and anybody thinking that Gold will hold value if society collapses is a fool.
You could do the same protection against political mismanagement in your own native currency by holding your savings in other currencies, but that comes with the extra work of having to track the quality of politics and Economic management in the countries issuing those currencies (as by holding those currencies you’re now exposed to the political fuckups there), plus main currencies tend to be highly positivelly correlated during big Economic Crashes (like in 2007 when all main currencies suffered and maybe only the CNY didn’t suffer as much), whilst Gold is not and just does its thing.
As it so happens putting my savings in Gold has already done exactly that: when I lived in Britain I put my savings in Gold and then Brexit came and the British Pound crashed 20% and suddenly my Gold would buy me 20% more British Pounds. It wasn’t really Gold going up in value, just the pound going down. Mind you, my savings in EUR did the same, but that wasn’t a major international Crash, were the EUR would suffer as much as the GDP or the USD.
Just like there was no Brexit effect on Gold, there is no Trump Effect on Gold or Realestate Bubble effect - the price of houses in GLD has actually been pretty stable, might even have fallen a little bit.
That’s the point of it, nothing else. All the bollocks about Gold replacing fiat currencies and so on is just fanboyism from goldbugs - Gold is just an investment class that has less correlation with the quality of Economic management in the largest nations than the currencies of those nations or anything listed in those currencies (such as stocks or realestate).
Gold differs from fiat currencies in that it cannot be inflated away by politicians and central bankers.
Citation needed. You’ll find that not only can this happen, it has. Arguably this is currently happening. They can’t just make more appear, but if that were the only thing driving it’s value up, again, it’s price over time would go down as we continue to extract more of it than we realistically need.
If you’re worried about the collapse of currency, gold is a particularly bizarre investment. If the currency isn’t worth anything, you wouldn’t buy any of it with your gold. The people with currency aren’t going to want gold, they will want things like food, and shelter.
Notably, during the several hyperinflation crises we can point to to study, at no point in any of them did citizens resort to using gold. They bartered with common crap that everyone needed.
That’s assuming the worthless paper you have that says you own gold could ever actually be traded for gold in such a situation. Unless you have the physical actual factual gold in your possession, you just have a gold backed currency. Which is doubly worthless in an inflation crisis.
You do at least have the paper right? You don’t just own numbers in an app?
I’m not the person you were arguing with before.
You are talking about prices, I am talking about value. While you have clearly read plenty of libertarian monetary policy primers, you aren’t prepared to discuss this topic beyond that level.
Value does not come from rarity. It comes from utility - what a thing can do - and desire - how much other people want it.
Gold has a small amount of utility and a large amount of desire. Fiat currencies have a small amount of utility (namely paying taxes to avoid jail time) and a large amount of desire.
You rail and rail against inflationary monetary policy as if it is some inherent evil of fiat currency. The money supply can be reduced, just as it can be increased, just the supply of gold can change. It doesn’t change the source of value, only the price.
If you compare it with bitcoin it’s even worse. Both aren’t great comparisons, the US left the gold standard so long ago it’s not a meaningful comparison.
But that wouldn’t be a fair comparison. The prices of gold and dollars are stable. Bitcoin was invented in 2009 and is still in price discovery.
Gold - against which the USD moved in lockstep until the US left the Gold Standart
That’s because the Bretton Woods system set the price of gold to $35 per troy ounce. It would be dumb to pay more than $35 per ounce on the market because you could just exchange $35 for an ounce of gold from the government.
Gold is just massively inflated compared to the USD because people do not understand the benefit of fiat currency.
I find it hard to believe that people actually think gold is less volatile than the USD when it has inflated in “value” by 12,516.60% in the last 50 years. If you don’t think that the vast majority of that increase isn’t due to over speculation then I have a bridge to sell you.
I think someone scammed you, these usually have apes in the picture.
The only stable meme coin is gold
I prefer Joules myself
Gold to usd lost 30% since 2013
I thought gold was immune to all this because there was a more less fixed amount
Not how economics works. The price of gold fluxuates wildly because demand for it fluxuates wildly, because people keep gambling on the value of gold.
Oh, so it’s a speculative asset with the only special property being that nobody can really inflate it
Gold to EUR too I guess? 🤔 No clue how that works.
Yeah, pretty much the same.
(Mind you, I personally went into Gold at around 2013 after having experienced the 2007 inside the Finance Industry, and back then I used British Pounds, and Gold did not give a shit about Brexit but the British Pound sure did - by crashing 20% - so in pounds Gold is actually a bit better than vs USD or EUR)
That said, I look at it the other way around - Gold is the original currency and one that can’t be devalued at will by governments (its only inflation comes from gold mining, which increases the amount of gold in circulation by, last I checked 1.2% a year), so it’s not Gold price going up, it’s the value of government issued currencies going down vs the more traditional currency that’s not controlled by any one government which is Gold.
Certainly this seems closer to how people have felt inflation in at least the major paper currencies - back in the 60s a single blue collar salary was enough for a good house, a car and the expenses of a familiy of 5, now a white collar salary it’s barelly enough for a single person to live in a small appartment in a city, even though according to official inflation those two are equivalent amounts: it looks a lot like the purchasing power of gold has roughly remained steady whilst the purchasing power of government issued currencies has steadilly fallen and done so faster than official inflation figures for those currencies say it did.
Every investment has grown incredibly in price. Stocks, gold and also housing. That is honestly the biggest reason a blue collar workers pay can no longer feed a family of five easily. In the 60s food was actually pretty expensive back then for example. In the US of 1960 a stick of butter would be the equivalent of $27.74 today. However housing was not and that makes up a huge part of current spending, if you do not own a property already.
That further points towards the idea that it’s not Gold going up in price, it’s government issued currencies going down in value.
It points to assets being inflated, due to the rich not being taxed properly any longer.
I mean, on the housing front (in the US at least), it has far more to do with the government backed 30 year mortgage (cheap money drives prices up) and zoning regulations (which constrain supply and also drive prices up).
There are in fact more reasons that that.
For example the amount of money in circulation has grown massivelly ever since the 70s, because digitalization means that most money is just numbers in databases and most payments are just bits and bytes rather than actually issued paper currency. In the modern era most money is created by private banks as loans, not issued by central banks (here’s a Bank Of England paper on that to show I’m not bullshitting) to the point that over 90% of all money in circulation wasn’t issued by a Central Bank.
Then within that context, there’s the fall in interest rates which were supposedly temporary reduced by Central Banks after the 2007 Crash to help with the recover but never really went back to the historical average - lower interest rates mean people can take bigger long term loans and still pay the same per-month, which is especially relevant for things like housing because it meant higher house prices that would otherwise be unaffordable were affordable with those lower interest rates. This also affected things like corporate bonds prices - companies could easilly do things like get ultra cheap money buy issuing bonds with very low interest rates or directly from the Money Markets and use that money to buy back their own shares (thus increasing share prices) which large numbers of publicly traded companies did helping push up the Stockmarket.
And then, of course, there’s how the concentration of wealth in fewer hands (largelly due “the rich not being taxed properly”) meant way more money in the hands of people that don’t spend almost any of it in Consumption (because it’s way more than what’s needed for that) but instead Invest it, so they bid the prices of any and all Investment Assets, including stupid shit that would never otherwise be treated as worthy of investing in (such as Crypto).
It’s a big, ultra distorted Economic system, very much purposefully made so to put lots of wealth in a small number of hands (Finance - and hence those who own it - has captured A LOT of wealth way beyond the value they bring to Society) and we’re shamelessly lied about all of it.
Are you saying that people possess the same absolute amount on a grown piece?
Not so stable this past year tbh
Down 50% already?
I’ve got a crisp $50 in my pocket. I’ll trade you for it.
That $50 is only worth $25 in goods or services.
I’m happy to pay you $25 for it!
Those $25 are only worth $12,50 in goods or services.
What’s with the comma? Don’t you know in usd it’s a . or decimal.
$12.50 in goods.
In europe it’s the opposite. We use the comma for this. So $100.000,45 is one hundred grand and 45 cents.
Not long ago, I found a $100 bill at our local gas station.
I picked it up by the trash can, figuring it was probably a church fake.
It wasn’t a fake at all, it was a real $100
I make point to check by those pumps everytime I pass by that gas station…
It is fun how similar mammals are. My dog found a different dogs ball in a bush on one of our walks once. Now they check the magic toy giving bush every time we walk by it. I kinda want to stash more toys in the bush, but I also am afraid of making his conditioning worse.
You should leave a note. “Did you lose $100 here? Please do it again. Ha ha!”
I unlocked some sick alpha by exchanging those for drugs and then selling those drugs in smaller plastic bags
Fent is only like US$20. Don’t OD.
Meme aside, is this based on inflation? Some sort of global market?
If it’s inflation it’s not accurate. 100 2026 dollars is equivalent to 70 2013 dollars (not $50).
Just trying to fact check the math. I’m fun at parties.
Your personal purchasing power could be very different than the CPI. Also I think people put more importance on the basics like food and housing, those are surely 100% more expensive than 13 years ago. And with that going up you don’t really care that you can afford more t-shirts. But t-shirts are bringing down the CPI.
So yeah: lies, damn lies and statistics. P.S. also fun at parties
Surely there is a standardized economic metric for consumer purchasing power strictly for necessities as well. I assume this, because economists throw the best parties.
“Erm, buddy, you know that’s not how they actually make milkshakes” type energy bud
Meme aside, is this based on shaking a cow? Some sort of bovine agitator?
If it’s shaking a cow it’s not accurate. Shaking a cow produces only 120ml of foamy milk (not 750ml).
Just trying to fact check the math. I’m fun at parties.
I think if you include cost of living and cost of purchasing property, the US dollar is easily 50% less effective now than in 2013.
April 2013 one BTC was 90 dollars, so it’s actually down a lot more than 50%
Well, whenever trump is in office, they start printing the things like crazy.
Turns out inflation exists, literally no one knew about this until just now
Benjamin Franklin smirked like that in his photo because he always knew.
Nah, he was thinking of ho-ors.
w’hores
Hewers
Historians always thought “You motherfuckers are gonna fuck it up.” was praise to future generations sharing his… proclivities. How wrong we were.
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FOSS ponzi scheme
crypto = ponzi scheme
is like
nuclear energy = chernobyl
source?
That’s an oxymoron. It’s not fraud if it’s FOSS. It’s high risk. It crashes frequently and offers inconsistent returns. All of the accounting can be independently audited.
I’ve never owned any Monero myself, but I’ve been watching it for a very long time and it’s not a scamcoin.
i’m gonna start selling FOSS snake oil
Do you plan on defrauding anyone, or being 100.0% transparent about what it is?
Keep holin’ it bruh. Market is going to reward your patience bruh.
Fucking trash shit coin. I lost my ass on this too.
Yes inflation exists. Could’ve just invested it. More news at 11.
