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I think it’s just been stigmatized by society as a whole for some mysterious reason. Didn’t a lot of our grandmothers slashed through terminals like fruit ninjas back in the day?
Heck yeah they did! I remember going over to my grandmothers house to use Word on her computer running DOS. She used that computer to keep her personal budget, do the accounting for her office supply business, write letters, and the newsletters for her church and social clubs. No gui, just a command line and some things that we would now call a TUI.
“…if you’re lucky!”
GUI is simpler because you have to remember a sequence of steps for every action you want to take and then memorize a bunch of keyboard shortcuts and then do it all again when they reinvent their product in two weeks.
CLI requires you to learn how your system is structured and where things are located and then you create scripts that last years. Not everyone wants to put in a bunch of effort just to use their computer.
Anyways Firefox just updated and they moved “save to collection” and a few other things so now I need to relearn some stuff. I hope my other apps don’t reinvent themselves anytime soon. Every update I know how to use them less and less.
A regular user will never in a million years create a script.
How will they transfer their pirated media to their NAS? Manually? Every time?
With ai they can
And now they have bricked their computer.
Doesn’t matter, now that they can they will and AI won’t tell them no.
I’m a CLI enjoyer. It’s easier for me to define what I often do as a bash function than to remember which button to click in a GUI app. It’s easier for me to copy paste a StackOverflow answer than to zoom the screenshot only to find out that the UI has changed. And I’m too lazy to move my mouse when I can do it with a Neovim keymap.
I feel like there are levels of Desktop customization all linux users go through. start out with something like cinnamon or KDE or GNOME and then you go down the rabbit hole of tiling WMs with rounded corners, neon borders, funny looking panels and then eventually you’re just set on using cagebreak or a very simple version of dwm/dwl with no panel at all. And once you discover vim style navigation it’s over. The mouse suddenly becomes a relic.
TUI enjoyer 😏
Somehow I am all three of these people at the same time.
Why is it constantly booting to a black screen with text?
This is easy, just install steam and go
Ahh the beauty of this Debian server, don’t even need to get out of my sofa because I have SSH on my phone.
The HTC Dream was the peak of Phone SSH.
There was no key combo I couldn’t input, no vim mode I couldn’t use!
There was a VNC client! I could RDP to Windows machines!
I could have even used EMACS!
I mean, I wouldn’t, I’m not some kind of monster, but I could have, and that’s what’s important!
Oh no, I have to open a text file with a convenient list of all the settings for this application. How awful.
If it was convenient, every single GUI would just use that as a settings menu.
If it was up to me they would. Instead they have 14 layers of menus you have to click through to find what you’re looking for if they have it at all.
The only inconvenient part about using the terminal is knowing the command to get into the configuration files. Once you’ve done it a few times it’s simple. People just don’t want to do even the minor effort to learn that which is why these days we’re stuck with all these shit applications you can’t reconfigure at all.
Did AI write this? It has that weird detachment from understanding the meme format, what the people are saying, and the point of everything that LLMs tend to get just right.
um, no. The joke is that a lot of people are scared of Linux because they think it’s “just a black screen with a bunch of text”, a lot of people who are newly using Mint or the other common “friendly” distros are proud and trying to convince everyone that you never need to touch the command line, and then the more people know what they’re doing the more likely they are to just live in a terminal and not bother with anything else.
This is one of those situations where I’d have to write an essay to dive into everything wrong. I’m not going to do all that just to have you say “nu uh”. Here’s one example:
The title is “I can’t use Linux! It’s too hard!” yet the crying bell curve person in the middle is literally using Linux.
Did you mean for the title to say “the terminal”? That would change things. But that’s sort of my point, everything has this one off LLM vibe.
People have been misusing this template for as long as I’ve seen it. I don’t know why, but I’ve seen people write different things for the first and last person. This one, at least, doesn’t have that. What are the othee one offs?
GUI has the fundamental advantage that you can mostly find your way around without having to know commands, syntax, file paths etc. That’s a huge advantage for the vast majority of users.
yea as much as like using the command line, I’m having a hard time remembering all the options required, especially with things i use rarely. the discoverability is just better in GUIs
Can’t and don’t want to are two different things.
Not seen any black screen with text. I don’t think all distros have that. I expect non IT users never get to see that.
I… what are you talking about? Those words make sense on their own and I could probably diagram them as sentences, but put together in that way they don’t seem to parse into anything coherent.
Edit: Wait, are you saying that you think there are distros that don’t have a terminal or terminal emulator?!?
I’m saying it’s never part of my workflow on Linux. I’m sure a lot of people don’t need it. Even if they could find it. You can’t do the things I mostly do, with a command line. And if the install is broken, I wouldn’t try to guess my way to fix it. A reinstall is likely to be quicker.
I feel like the meme got it backwards. People fussing over WMs in the middle, while newbies and veterans just using whatever comes by default on Fedora
What comes default on fedora KDE spin
Literally cured my distro hopping
I stayed on it for many years, but Bazzite stole my heart
I don’t wear hats cos am busy using debian
Using Fedora without codecs?
Not all terminals are black!!
I would say we should burn the light-mode heritics, but they’ve already done it to their own eyes.
*heretics
And I wouldn’t be so sure that light mode is more harmful than dark mode and not vice versa.
Depends on the ambiental conditions and the brightness; If you use dark mode outside? That’s kinda on you if you get eye strain
My dream is the Linux kernel with the BeOS/Haiku filesystem and display system on top. It could easily put Wayland to shame and gaming would be pretty awesome.
My other dream is Haiku having as much hardware and software support as modern Linux. Imagine running a version of qemu kvm on an os that already screams.
Neither will happen but I can still wish.
Can you explain why are you fond of haiku? What are it’s strong points?
I had it in a VM, and liked the UI design. It was retro and unique. but that’s about it.
The filesystem is basically a database and files have associated metadata like a description or whatever, searches are nearly instant. The email app for example uses this, I’ve never seen anything even come close to how well this worked.
Under the hood it uses a server model for pretty much everything.
The programming APIs are elegant.
There’s a lot to it you wouldn’t have noticed immediately by just starting it and opening a few apps.
the big one for me is tagged filesystems. they exist on other oses but beos embraced them fully, and haiku does the same.
“music” is no longer a directory, but a view of your filesystem that shows everything tagged “music”. you want everything from an artist, or a year, or a genre? just create that directory and they’re in there.
Hmmmm. The tagging approach seems interesting.
Turns fs structure from tree hierarchy to graph hierarchy
its a very solid and user friendly gui/desktop oriented operating system
It’s still somewhat early days, but you might want to check out https://v-os.dev/
I’ve also been playing with Haiku on an old laptop and it’s pretty decent as a daily driver for the basics.
Omg this is so peak gonna be my next distro hop fixation.
They are about to get a lot of github pull requests
