What do you think? America #1?

  • leharn8 [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    the united states is literally the most environmentally disastrous thing to happen to the earth since the k-pg extinction event (asteroid that wiped out the non-avian dinosaurs). so yes, the u.s. is the worst thing to happen in human history. as far as terrestrial history goes it is top 10.

  • Le_Wokisme [they/them, undecided]@hexbear.net
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    i don’t know the order but i’m pretty sure the top 5 are:

    crawling out of the sea

    climbing down from the trees

    the anglo empire

    christianity

    matter/antimatter asymmetry

    if you have to separate the US and UK i’d drop the antimatter one

  • kibiz0r@midwest.social
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    Depends how far you wanna root-cause it.

    Agriculture is probably the furthest back you could go. I think the Dutch East India Company inspired a lot of the persistent evils of the modern world, so I’d maybe slice it right there.

    • someone [comrade/them, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      I think the Dutch East India Company inspired a lot of the persistent evils of the modern world, so I’d maybe slice it right there.

      Give me a time machine, scuba training, and a healthy supply of time-delay limpet mines, and I’ll take care of that little problem before it starts.

  • EatMoreMacroplastics [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    It depends on whether you count AmeriKKKa as distinct from the British Empire. Otherwise, the Spanish Empire and everything Germany ever did are strong contenders. The USA undoubtedly is the worst entity in the world today tho.

    • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      Spanish empire likes to pretend it is a heckin smol bean after the age of conquest like they weren’t going after Filipinos until the very moment the US took over and started gunning down those same Filipinos.

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net
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    In terms of a negative snowball effect

    1. Battle of Tours
    2. Mongol Conquests
    3. 1492
    4. Moroccan Destruction of the Songhai
    5. 1776
    6. The Coup of 9 Thermidor
  • Athena5898 [any]@hexbear.net
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    Anglo-Saxon first. You don’t get America without it. Then you have Spain, France.

    Reading a book called Pacific Worlds and I only got to page 54ish before Portuguese and Spain showed up to fuck everything over.

  • WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I get what you mean, things are awful and I don’t want to take away from that. You definitely have an argument that we are one of the worst things to happen in modern history, but we are also a relatively young country, and the horrors of history are vast. Just off the top of my head:

    • The fall of Rome.
    • When Vlad the Impaler impaled.
    • The Crusades.
    • The Napoleonic Wars.
    • The Black Plague.
    • WWII (as the deadliest conflict in human history).
    • The Taiping Rebellion.
    • The Spanish Flu.
    • The Second Sino-Japanese War.
    • The Congo Genocide.

    America stands in a long line of powerful civilizations who have royally fucked things up for everybody.

    • Carl [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      funny that you put the fall of rome, as I would put the rise of rome. lots and lots of people were killed or enslaved or worse.

    • 挂路灯人@lemmy.ml
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      I don’t know, US lead sanctions alone have killed ~40 million people since 1970, that’s top contender numbers already without even beginning to factor in the direct and indirect effects of their multiple wars such as their war of extermination against the DPRK, their carpet bombing of Vietnam and it’s neighbours alongside the chemical and biological weapons that still have negative effects to this day, or the destruction of Libya etc.

    • vice2remember [none/use name]@hexbear.netOP
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      Even though I posted this, I don’t know if I actually think it’s worth investigating… A lot more people on the planet in the last 80 year than there were at any other point in time, and america has had a hell of a run. Best not to dwell on any of it lol P:

      • g_mer [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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        if genghis khan had control over the modern american military industrial complex i’d imagine he’d do similar things with it. evil has worldly limits even if the impulses may be the same

    • Krem [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      The Taiping Rebellion but not the century of humiliation? put the Qing Dynasty or something at least, not one of the (not great) reactions against its huge problems