I really do feel like I’m taking crazy pills with libs this election. The last two they at least had a bloodless rationale to the “lesser of two evils” rhetoric.
But this is genocide, the canonical Worst Thing You Can DO! I know many just believe that it’s not a genocide at all because Palestinian civilians are all Hamas and just subhuman or that the videos published by official IOF channels are all deepfaked by the hungry ghost of Nasrallah. But then just FUCKING SAY IT and then we can call you a genocide denier and we’ll know where we stand!
What I can’t get is that many do seem to agree it’s a genocide and Kamala is complicit. But then they lesser evil by going “Well if we don’t vote then Trump will do bad things to trans people here.”
Like Fuck You! You scheming, gaslighting bloody handed monster!
Either this is just a disingenuous argument to get your team in power or to maintain liberal civility politics, in which case double Fuck You that you think people are abstract political tools.
Or, you actually believe this, and the freedom of an LGBT person here outweighs the lives of 2 million people, many LGBT, who happen to have had the extreme misfortune to be born 5 cm over the border and thus outside your ability to feel empathy.
In which case Triple Fuck You, because you are, somehow, more of a fascist than Trump. At least Trump is too incoherent to make a complete argument for fascist policy!
I’m going mad, I really am. How can people be streamed genocide live on CNN and just say “well, I guess we’re ok with genocide now!” Is the US public even human?! Even the fucking Germans had the good sense to pretend to look guilty after they lost.
I don’t get how I can see people well into their 50’s talking about voting for the “lesser evil.” I always think of this Hunter S. Thompson quote:
That’s the real issue this time," he said. “Beating Nixon. It’s hard to even guess how much damage those bastards will do if they get in for another four years.”
The argument was familiar, I had even made it myself, here and there, but I was beginning to sense something very depressing about it. How many more of these goddamn elections are we going to have to write off as lame, but “regrettably necessary” holding actions? And how many more of these stinking double-downer sideshows will we have to go through before we can get ourselves straight enough to put together some kind of national election that will give me and the at least 20 million people I tend to agree with a chance to vote for something, instead of always being faced with that old familiar choice between the lesser of two evils?
Now with another one of these big bogus showdowns looming down on us, I can already pick up the stench of another bummer. I understand, along with a lot of other people, that the big thing this year is Beating Nixon. But that was also the big thing, as I recall, twelve years ago in 1960 – and as far as I can tell, we’ve gone from bad to worse to rotten since then, and the outlook is for more of the same.
That’s from Dear and Loathing: On the Campaign Trail from 1972
50 years ago that was a tired argument. 50 years!The idea that Trump would do something that would be worse than the Dems learning genocide is completely okay is weird to me.
Like if the Dems get in while committing a genocide, why would one think they’d ever get better? If the line isn’t drawn at genocide then there is no line and the dems will know they don’t even got to pretend anymore.On top of that it’s wild to me how many people don’t wrap their head around the concept that voting legitimises the government. The US frequently uses “democracy” and amount of voters and so on to justify it’s foreign (and domestic to a lesser extent) policy. US politicians talk about representing their constituents, they talk about their voters, they use these things to make themselves accepted as rulers. The less people that vote for them the better.
On top of all that it’s weird to see libs at the same time comprehend long(er) term thinking - “vote for Kamala so we at least have four years to organize/hope for a better candidate” and at the same time be able to understand why someone might vote third party, despite that candidate not being able to win.
Or its not weird, its standard doublethink, but it’s fucking frustrating.The mental gymnastics are relatively simple, it’s:
- It’s not genocide
- If it is, it’s by accident
- If it’s not, they deserved it
- Trump is literally hitler I’m shaking and pissing this is the most important election of our lives
Most people don’t even reach step 1 because they’re American and completely subconsciously dismiss the idea that foreign people exist or matter at all.
Honestly I’m not sure I’m even really processing how Libs are behaving right now. Like I’m pretty sure I’m in some kind of denial after the Libs derailed the uprising in '20 and killed MeToo, Abolish the Police, minimum wage, and public healthcare, plus they ended all attempts to even slow Covid down, and now they’re proudly, openly committing genocide in front of the whole world.
It’s too much. It’s Fascism with bottomless mimosas.
I watched this tik tok that hit the top page of reddit where it was a lib making fun of leftists not voting for genocide and they jerked themselves off over making the point that “uh yeah honey, there will be a genocide whether trump or Kamala wins but Kamala will be better for your real financial situation”
Yeah they’re built different lmfao their brains are room temp potato soup
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Personally I really like the: Republicans are the big bad that will destroy the country, end reproductive rights, start a war on LGBTQ+, end democracy, be the second coming of hitler etc…. And also we’re going to reach across the isle and have a republican in our government too. It’s like wtf? Are these guys bad? Or do you want to work with them? Like I know that once we drop the keyfabe they’re all the same, perusing the same material and class interests, but their outward messaging is so incoherent.
It’s also very funny (not actually) because what is Harris going to do for LGBTQ people? Not that her or any Democrat’s symbolic rhetoric mean anything but have the words “transgender” even come out of her mouth this campaign?
Zero states had banned gender affirming care when Trump was president. Under Biden, more than 20 have. He has done absolutely nothing for the people in those states.
Same with abortion access: Harris isn’t going to bring back Roe. It’s gone for good
Wdym? Harris said she’d “proudly sign it into law” if congress passed a law protecting abortion, as you can see democrats are clearly fighting tooth and nail for women’s reproductive rights!
I’m surprised Harris didn’t run on “we let you ban gender-affirming care! See, us dems aren’t so scary after all and totally in-touch with the working class and their priorities!”
Not to mention, Biden presided over the overturning of Roe v Wade and did absolutely nothing about it. The only thing Harris said she’d do about it is “sign a law if congress passes one” oh boy!
nah they cut all of the actually good empty promises from the platform this year and replaced them with tough border measures and warmongering so that 17 republicans in suburban georgia would think about voting for Harris before deciding to go with trump
No literally it’s going to be “Not actively take away trans healthcare” so it’s a hostage situation.
I’ll be honest as a trans woman I’m pretty nervous for Republicans to take power, as a self interested person. Dems clearly won’t do anything to help though and if the supreme court makes some ruling they won’t fight it.
I’m sorry this is the world we live in comrade :(
The thing I don’t see people saying enough is that there will be elections after Trump, and a vote for third parties that allows Trump to win is much less damaging in the long term than a vote that enables the rightward slide of the Democrats.
The biggest argument against this is that they think there won’t be elections after Trump.
Which is exactly what they said last time. And then he gir elected. And then there were elections 4 years later and he got voted out.
And then actually successful election thieves endorsed Harris
I am seeing an awful lot of that. The actual impracticality of the mechanics of installing a forever dictator with germanic cosplay features in the us and the greater likelihood of tacit approval of non state actors enforcing small scale actions in a local context are lost on them because their minds are warped by cartoons and comic book movies and great man theory.
Best response (if you have the energy) is to ask why they’re admitting that they’d throw away their principles and just accept fascism forever because of an election (even though you know why and they basically already do). Ask why they’re admitting they’d do nothing materially to fight back against fascism or protect the marginalized people they say they care so much about and let a demographic minority, especially in bluer areas, just go ham on everyone. It’s not likely to change many minds but it will remind them that they’re cowards with no real principles or goals besides protecting their status quo.
Since they’re all dogs of the American Civil Religion calmly accepting magaFascism because Trump was legally elected and the SCOTUS rubber stamped it is in accordance with their principles.
ya i guess you could call it their one actual principle, same song different note
The biggest problem is their mushy baby brains
Which is funny considering the amount of tampering the democrats have done with their own primaries. “We’ll save democracy!” they say as they do everything they can to fuck over the candidate with popular support
God I wish
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But then they lesser evil by going “Well if we don’t vote then Trump will do bad things to trans people here.”
I saw that video this morning of her refusing to say anything in defense of us. They don’t even have this bullshit any more!
video this morning of her refusing to say anything in defense of us
What video?
^ I wanna see this too
Nvm I found it, just look up the NBC interview she did with Hallie Jackson. Jackson asked her if she supports gender affirming care for transgender people, and her response was “I think we should follow the law” and “I’m not a doctor” lmao
Liberals get so scratched when you tell them that you’re a marginalized person who wants them to fuck off.
They love to exploit the hell out of the underprivileged (unless said underprivileged people are Arab Americans) to make their case as to why you have to
Racial justice, women’s rights, and LGBTQ+ equality are all just tools they use to act as if they’re any less bourgeois, chauvinistic, and ultimately fascist in nature than Republicans.
I’ve been accused of being a secret Trumper, a Chinese infiltrator, and a Russian bot multiple times. Sometimes all three at once.
All the “shilling/bot” accusations drive me mad. Even if I were a bot, why would that matter if what is said is legitimate criticism? It’s a thought-killer.
“Oh I don’t have to engage with the fact that Joe Biden has expanded fracking, because it’s actually Putin telling me about it.” ??? If the thing is true, why does it matter that you think Xi is saying it?I wonder what they think that means. They can’t really believe we’re cashing checks from Xi and Putin?
I’m convinced this is why they let the interracial marriage supreme court case become a reich-winger brainworm. You can’t convince me that’s not going to become a cudgel down the line, either; if this doesn’t work, it’ll be us next. “ooooOOOOOoooo, they’re gonna force you back into Jim Crow” like we won’t just start shooting at that point.
I’ve been accused of being a communist by so many shitlibs.
“accused”/accurately described
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Is the US public even human?!
Death to America
I’m going mad, I really am. How can people be streamed genocide live on CNN and just say “well, I guess we’re ok with genocide now!”
I have seen plenty of Americans (the more right-leaning ones, admittedly) who will say it’s a genocide but that if Gazans didn’t want to be genocided then they shouldn’t have attacked Israel on Oct 7.
Is the US public even human?!
No, not really. This is what 20+ years of dehumanization of Arab and Muslim people will do to your brain. But also, Americans really struggle with being able to accept reality outside of the geographical United States. They are so ill-informed and incurious about what happens around the world I genuinely do not trust any polls regarding things like the genocide in Gaza. When 90% of Americans don’t even know basic, objective facts about the situation what do their opinions actually mean?
This extreme ignorance does not, of course, prevent Americans from expressing their opinions about foreign matters and believing their own opinions to be inviolably correct.
if Gazans didn’t want to be genocided then they shouldn’t have attacked Israel on Oct 7.
I hear a lot of “But what did they expect?” from liberals. People really have learned nothing in the last 23 years.
Say the same about about 9/11 and they’ll lose their shit
To even suggest that my chickens could come home to roost is treasonous!
Apologies to derail, but I will forever love how Americans reaped one 9/11 and killed 6 million civilians as revenge while Americans do a 9/11 worth of motor vehicle fatalities and injuries to themselves every single week and nobody gives a shit.
And then the cute liberals call them “accidents” when the vast vast vast majority of collisions are completely preventable.
No, not really. This is what 20+ years of dehumanization of Arab and Muslim people will do to your brain
It’s not just that tbh. There is something rotten to the core of the collective unconscious of a settler colony raised up thanks to its own foundational genocide; constructed by uncounted numbers of thinking, feeling, enslaved human beings; that has spent the last century going around the globe to round up every last person in the third world it can find and force them into the meatgrinder of global capitalism.
What could one little genocide mean to a people that have never reckoned or atoned for the fact that their own empire is built upon mountains of bones and oceans of blood?
“I voted blue, I am absolved of all guilt and can continue consuming corporate screen content for 16 hours a day.”
Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.
They’re making the choice to sacrifice Palestinians for their own comfort. By refusing to go along with that, we force them to confront the fact that it is a choice, that they’re willingly making themselves complicit in genocide for their own gain. That’s why they hate us.
I’m paraphrasing a comment I saw elsewhere, but every time the Vote Blue type evokes some fake moral superiority that leftists have (e.g., “You think you’re more moral, but XYZ”), they are just telling on themself that they know they are morally wrong. They know their vote is not a moral act - they might even know they’re supporting something that contradicts their moral code - and they hate that we see that.
I’ve seen some bluesky twits pull out “don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good” and it’s just like
directly to the cuck pit lib.Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the bad!
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No. Most people pay attention to politics for (maybe) 3 months every four years, then pick their favorite flavor candidate.
Ever met a “centrist” who deliberately votes for one party’s downticket but another party’s presidential candidate for “balance?” Many such cases.
It’s called Amerikkka brain.
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