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I just saw the news that they’ve charged him with terrorism. It’s like they want to keep the outrage going, and give the jury a reason to acquit.
They’ve charged Brian Thompson with terrorism for what he did - or at least caused - to tens of thousands of people each year?
Finally they start to make sense!Most life insurance policies don’t cover acts of terrorism.
I’m just saying…
Not guilty. You can only murder human beings. Brian Robert Thompson willingly relinquished his humanity a long time ago. What Luigi did was more akin to using bleach to treat mold in the bathroom. Killing a living thing? Yes. Murder? Certainly not.
Daniel Jackson: It’s obviously fighting to survive.
O’Neill: So do bacteria!
Oh, one Luigi damaged your world? Institute health care reform, or we’ll send dozens of them, one after the other!
God. How was SG1 so damn good? Every few years I do a rewatch of the whole franchise. It’s a masterpiece.
Trek is my usual background show but I’m currently on a SG1 rewatch. It’s funny to see so many people from Trek show up in various roles, I think Hammond of Texas would fit perfectly as a statue in front of Starfleet Academy as a model of humanity’s ideals regarding exploration of the stars. Given access to advanced healing technology, both O’Neill and O’Brien would be busting heads to ensure everyone got a fair shake, they’d both despise a CEO like this one
My theory is that once you have a role as a main character in Star Trek, you’re pretty much stuck in sci fi. The exception to this is if you were already a well established actor prior to Trek. So Patrick Stewart could go back to high theatre, but Colm Meaney ended up mugging Atlantis for a little C4.
Ha! I’d forgot about that one, my favorite role of his outside engineering was the DEA asshole in Con Air who gets his sweet Corvette stolen in epic fashion
I think the Venn of actors doing sci fi shows and actors in the Vancouver area is pretty close, same with how every British show has at least one person from another. Some obviously like the genre, and who wouldn’t?
They can charge him with whatever they want. Proving it to a jury is a whole other thing.
Be careful not to say anything positive about luigi because you’re certainly going to end up on a priority list of people they are going to keep a lot of surveillance on. It’s true, feds are terrified of people who seem inspired by things like this. If you say something really really nice about Luigi, the feds might even send you one of their female undercover agents to be your girlfriend for a while and spy on you.
I’m gay. She’ll have no power. They better send a muscle zaddy instead.
Where do I sign up for this?
I can fix her~~
Obsess away as long as it leads to more billionaires in the guillotine.
I know I certainly will be! 😊
id rather people focus on the lessons learned.
as long as this puts fear back into the burgeoise i aint complaining too much.
I mean could also go out like the guy who everyone would remember, who burned himself for some cause and everyone just forgot about him. Man, what a thing
marketing hirelings will sabotage the narrative with BS to make it go away.
They’re gonna attempt to do so. There’s no guarantee it will work.
Over advertising has inured most consumers to these practices. Especially younger ones.
Mangione has tapped into something most Americans share: a deep hatred of our health insurance system and of the profiteers who seem so indifferent to our suffering and death. He has still not been mentioned by Donald Trump, who must realize that Mangione’s fandom has no political boundaries.
Wow even DT can’t touch this
hopefully not
can you explain your thought process behind this comment?
What do you mean trump is a CEO?
Hopefully he’s the first of hundreds.
DDD
DDD
444
Out of curiosity I looked up “444” and there’s a bunch of links saying it means a guardian angel. Appropriate?
4 is avoided in Chinese and Japanese. Although contextually its not too far off the mark in this case.
in JP, 4 sounds like ‘shi’, meaning death. 43 sounds like the word for ‘stillbirth’. (‘shi’ also means particle, or also emoticon) In China, 4 = ‘death’, 14 = ‘must die’, 24 = ‘easy to die’
Yes, but for reasons I don’t remember at the moment, “444” is considered joyful laughter, not danger. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
So we have guardian angel, “death”, and “joyful laughter” associated with 444, that all fits.
It sounds like what you’re reading is an “angle number.” I’m not sure if that’s what’s referenced above.
the bullet etchings alone make it a work of art. He picked out the absolute most unloved plutocrat in america. Its very much a masterwork execution at a time when everybody wanted a reprieve from the trump media circus.
Timing: 10/10
Execution: 9/10
Target 10/10
Style: 10/10
We live in a country this happens every day I would take a CEO death over a Sandy Hook every time. I wish shootings weren’t as common but it is what it is.
Personally I would appreciate the irony of school shooters instead going after gun manufacturer executives. I like my justice delivered ironically.
If we were the principled society we pretend to others that we are, we would prefer 100 ceos to 1 Sandy Hook. CEO’s would be all for it as well.
But capitalism doesnt breed a lot of impulses to sacrifice for the greater good. “eff those peasants” is practically explicitely baked into it.the absolute most unloved plutocrat in america.
Too bad that’s not trump :(
With my limited view from Germany, thank God that it is not Trump. Presidents come and go, Democrats and Republicans swap places every now and then, but at the end, the US stays an oligarchy. By killing Trump you don’t change much, you might create a public outrage, but it’s like popping a pimple without addressing the acne. It might lead to an even bigger divide within the working class - those who were fooled into voting for Trump vs Democrats vs disappointed, disillusioned Democrats. One of the problems of the election was that not enough left leaning people saw the Democrats as much different from the Republicans, and they are right. Killing a politician would just distract from the problem even more. Just think of how much momentum Trump (and his movement) gained from the assassination attempt.
Here, for once in months, when we see tiktoks or other clips from the public, we cannot even tell immediately where they lean politically - we just see that everyone is fed up with the same crap. Now both left and right, united, experience how the media lies to them and tells a skewed narrative. This is amazing. I sincerely hope it will not die, I hope this will grow and continue to spread like a cancer through society.
It is sad that it took the murder of a person and a young man’s freedom for this.
No no, I didn’t say I wish for him to be shot - that’s for separate discussion - I just wish he was the most unloved. Daydreaming…
The key is to publicly wish for his death in a way that no person could actually carry out. Then it’s not a death threat. Wish for him to get cancer. Wish for him to have a heart attack. Wish for him to die from auto-erotic asphyxiation. Wish for him to be struck by lightning. Wish for a giant sinkhole to open up directly beneath his feet, swallow him whole, and close up behind him, as if Hell itself reached up to finally claim him, the Devil finally collecting on some contract signed long ago.
It’s not a death threat if you ask God or the Devil to do the dirty work for you!
Oh, my bad, sorry! I’m with you on this one.
I don’t know. Trump is special. I’m hoping more "divine smiting’ for him. For a man that so seems to have the Devil’s charisma behind him, what more fitting end could there be than to die by lightning strike?
Walking the plank or hanged by the city wall maybe?
I’d like to see him kerb stomped for about 35 minutes. If anyone is taking requests.
Don’t give up hope. He’s had 3 attempts already, hoping #4 is a better shot
No it won’t
This whole story is ripe for conspiracy theory. Comparable to Epstein’s arrest and suicide from back in 2020.
Even if the national media wants the story to go away, you’re going to have Luigi enthusiasts popping up on the social fringe for years, if not decades.
Exactly. We are a society where innocent children are gunned down in their classrooms every other day. And for once, finally, one of the gunman actually decided to smite someone who deserved it. If you’re at the point of being willing to throw your life away in an act of murderous violence, why die a villain, when you can die a hero?
We should be building statues of Luigi.
I can’t wait to see the NPR article titled “Luigi Mangione was [aquitted/convicted/excuted] years ago. Why do week keep hearing his name in comment sections?”, and I’ll see this NPR article like 5-6 years from now.
Epstien died ~5 years ago, yet I still keep seeing people talking about him.
Reminder that Luigi didn’t do it
We support him, even if he’s innocent.
Luigis can’t melt steel beams?
Oh you know who did?
That’s conceptually backward to how our justice system (on paper) determines guilt. It has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Luigi did it. Nobody else needs to be convicted or even accused for Luigi to be determined to be innocent.
And there are some good reasons to doubt from what we’ve seen as the public. The cops said they found his backpack in NY but then also found him with his backpack. The pictures don’t quite match. It doesn’t make sense for him to keep incriminating evidence on him in a McDonald’s. There’s a lot about it that stinks.
I’m still waiting for his bullet proof alibi to emerge. So far, the closest I’ve gotten is some mumbling about a false flag and “big news coming, watch this space”.
Feels like the “Luigi is a fall guy” folks stumbled half drunk out of a “Sandy Hook Was Crisis Actors” convention.
Even if you have irrefutable evidence it was him, it wasn’t him.
This will probably be taken down, but psychology is what I do so here it is. This is not endorsement this is an explanation as to why there’s different sentiment for this shooting.
This was stated in Trevor Noah’s latest podcast in open discussion. Josh Johnson raises the point. Most gun violence stories on the news, people personally feel threatened. Outraged that they or theirs could be at a music festival, a movie, at school. Most assholes with a gun are killing innocent people, never mind all the other bits. And most are clearly a little “crazy.”
This was targeted, killer on killer, no collateral (death/injury) damage. The CEO had kids that’s the collateral damage. There’s even a lady with coffee who walks on scene then nopes out unharmed.
This isn’t endorsement. This WHY the public as a whole doesn’t seem to mind. The guy who died killed thousands. That solves the innocent part. The killer doesn’t feel threatening to any of us. Because he’s not. That solves the threat. As for sanity, gun arguments aside, the manifesto isn’t unhinged.
And so we find ourselves in an unusual space. Understandably so. This is new.
No I didn’t read the article.
As for sanity, gun arguments aside, the manifesto isn’t unhinged.
Just curious, what do you mean by “gun arguments aside”?
I’m a gun owner. There is a subset of people who think that alone makes you unhinged as a human being.
Luigi is just crazy enough to do what he did (allegedly). Probably not even a gun owner beyond an engineer guy makes this tool/thing on his printer and then learns how to become proficient using that tool/thing. I don’t think Luigi was LARPing training exercises with an AK, with friends, in the northern MI woods. I think he probably approached it the same way the rest of us would approach learning Linux for our next PC build.
I see, thanks for the clarification! I thought you were referring to the actual manifesto, and I was going to point out that the supposed real one didn’t mention guns at all, but if I recall correctly the fake one did. So never mind me.
Shit, now I’m wondering. I’m talking about the pseudo apologetic one that talks about printing the gun. Not being the best person to decide this, etc.
The CEO had kids that’s the collateral damage.
Given his falling out with his ex-wife and penchant for alcoholism, they’re arguably better off without him, assuming he wasn’t already a deadbeat dad.
Having a wife and kids is not a free pass, and is no ethical shield. Fight me. Little Jimmy can cry about it in his nepo baby Ferrari.
The killer is not threatening to you until semeone decides that you deserve to be killed.
semeone decides
I would simply not deny Luigi his health care. And I’d sleep easy.
Someone else may decide to kill you for a different reason.
That’s already true though. Anyone can kill anyone. It just costs the killer their freedom or their life.
That’s a pretty dumb argument, this was a targeted killing. You’d be supportive of killing a major terrorist right? Most would, because the terrorist is evil and kills thousands of Innocents… Well it’s literally no different here. They can be against murder and yet still support killing a terrorist, which is what a Healthcare CEO is.
That’s a risk we’ve always lived with.
Have you killed thousands of people through insurance denials to make a quick buck? No?
Then you’re fine.
Yes, exactly. I don’t think there is anyone in the world who knows me and believes that I, specifically, deserve to be killed. I think almost every person feels the same way. The rare exception being someone who has intentionally profoundly harmed or killed people.
I haven’t killed tens of thousands of sick people so I’m safe.
Someone might decide that something else you did is wrong.
That could happen any day but how is that fact relevant?
Do you want to live in a society where anyone can kill you because they think you’re a bad person?
That’s today. That’s our current reality. That’s the society that I already live in, because I’m a horrible, nasty, evil person who rides a bicycle to get places.
I’m in Madison, Wisconsin, too, so it’s rather fresh in my mind that anyone can kill me just randomly out of the blue.
No, but I don’t want to live in a society where people in power just let people in need die
That’s all of human history and will never change.
However, now that the untouchable monsters that run things are getting a taste, things are just a tiny bit better.
Any idiot in a car can kill me at any time, because he’s getting road rage. I’m living in Europe, grew up in the 80s where nuclear war was a very real danger that could break out any moment, vaporizing all the cities. Even though we were allies of the US, highways were prepared to be outfitted with nuclear mines so the Russians couldn’t roll all over Western Europe. We have a war right now next to our countries which could turn into WW3 at any time. A close friend of mine is Bosnian, she has seen the fighting in the Balkans few years agom
People kill each other all the time, because they consider each other bad persons. I just refuse to live in fear.
And the longer I live, the more I believe in violence as a legitimate defense. If someone shot Putin tomorrow, I would be happy. If someone had shot Hitler in the 30s the would would probably have been a better place.
So where is the line that divides killing someone is a good thing vs a bad thing? I used to believe it is always evil, but I can’t anymore.
I would say that if you find this particular killer’s motives personally threatening, you should probably resign from your day job and move into your bunker.
If the person you’re replying to was a health insurance CEO I would be extremely supportive of that.
That’s the point. “WHY” did they decide it had to be you.
You mean someone like Brian Thompson?
You mean Brian Robert Thompson?
It’s a long standing tradition to refer to serial killers by their full name. Think John Wayne Gacy. It seems appropriate here.
Someone, maybe, a fair point. It will probably happen at work if at all given the boring, “helper” life I lead.
But not this guy. That’s the salient point.
I see you getting downvoted but a lot of doctors get death threats too, and while everyone seems to have a horror story about a doctor they didn’t like, I’m pretty sure most are the scapegoats of a broken system. So yeah, while Luigi’s target was well-chosen, I don’t trust every vigilante to be as smart.
a lot of doctors get death threats too
I gotta wonder at the folks who have bombed (or threatened to bomb) abortion clinics and been lionized by pro-Life advocates. Even granted clemency by ultra-right wing Republican governors.
None of them seem particularly enthusiastic about this slaying, though.
So yeah, while Luigi’s target was well-chosen, I don’t trust every vigilante to be as smart.
The starkest comparison I’ve seen is Daniel Perry - who strangled a man to death on the subway - getting box seats with the President/VP and a full throated cheer from folks on the right.
Meanwhile, Luigi has enormous mainstream appeal, but enjoys virtually no positive coverage among liberals on the left.
The division is stark. It’s very obvious that vigilantism is encouraged by the state when it targets certain people. CEOs just aren’t on the approved list.
That’s why I think we should have a crowd funding campaign to build a big bronze statue of the guy. You know, those aren’t as expensive as you might think. Some searching suggests they can be built for $25k-250k. That seems well within the range of a crowd funding campaign. And unlike copy cat attacks or making death threats, there’s nothing illegal about building a statue to someone. At the same time, imagine what a message it would send if 100,000 people each gave a few dollars to build a statue to Luigi.
As far as location, I can think of two. One would be as close to the shooting site as possible. The other? On a main road outside of United Healthcare’s headquarters in Minnesota. I want ever UHC employee to have to drive past a big statue of Luigi as they go into work each day. A durable reminder of just what we think of them.
And if some vandals destroy the statue? We’ll build it again, but even BIGGER.
You watch yourself on that slippery slope now.
