I actually tell the employer that I’m interviewing them just as well as they’re interviewing me. It’s a two-way street. They can’t handle that. Well, sorry for them. They’re not for me.
“We are all like a family here… so nobody asks questions and just do as they’re told or else they go to the naughty corner!”
Literally how abrahamic religions work. Do not ask, just do whatever you’re told and be happy when awful things happen since god is testing you.
Abusive Families are Families too…
Dad is an alcoholic. Mum is psychologically tormenting everyone. Older half brother really wants to fuck.
Just don’t go in the room alone with your uncle!
Heard a similar thing too many times
How tf is asking what hours I’ll be working, if not listed in the application, not important? Can’t work if I don’t know when I’ll actually be working.
In fact looking again why are they even having to ask them questions? Most of these seem like things that should be on the listing anyway.
parking is often not clear in larger cities where you’d have to pay for a spot in a garage. they may have spots, or you could be shelling out $200 a month like I had to.
Even in medium cities it can be unclear, just lower priced. I paid 34/month to park in a lot they owned.
Paying to go to work is wild
Everyone does that. You aren’t paid for gas, bus passes, the food you use to bike. Every single person pays to go to work.
My 100% Homeoffice employee contract says different. The moment I step outside my apartment to go to a rare meeting in the office or to a client’s site, I am clocking hours. Any reasonable (so no limo or heli shuttle) travel expense (gas+deterioration as well as parking if I were to use my own vehicle, tickets for public transport otherwise), I note down and hand in to the company at the end of the month so I get reimbursed fully.
If you have to travel to do your work, it makes sense for the company to have to pay for it. On the flip side, companies might prefer hiring people living in more convenient, closer locations to their business than rural farmsteads. Which on the other hand makes sense as well, reducing time and energy waste, imo.
And so your work pays for heating? Cooling? Internet? Power use for your laptop? Very impressive contract if so.
I can kind of see the logic here. People think they interview the top three candidates and, if so, the interviewees have a high chance of actually getting hired. These would then be appropriate questions in that scenario.
However, if they are interviewing 100 candidates in 4 hours then the appropriate place to find this info for the interviewee is the job posting. The hiring manager doesn’t have time to answer 20 questions from 100 candidates and moreover if the information is on the job posting, then they either didn’t read it or are basically asking if the interviewer is a liar to their face. Now, if it isn’t on the job posting, well that is the person who posted it’s fault and they should expect these questions to be asked OVER and OVER.
If it is general questions like 6 or 7 that normally doesn’t appear on job posting, the appropriate time to ask those questions (to a busy interviewer) is when a job offer is made to the interviewee.
If the interviewer doesn’t have time to answer questions then they shouldn’t ask the interviewee if they had any questions.
The interview is a two way conversation. If the employer can’t handle questions, then it is too mismanaged to be a viable work option.
Toxic bosses need not post job offers. I would rather work at a McDonald’s with a good mgmt team, than a small company with hiring expectations like this. I also refuse to shop at your business if you see your employees this way.
- Employers; answer the damn questions, then move on, what’s important to you isn’t going to matter to your job candidate, what’s important to them is earning an honest days pay that will cover their expenses, and their responsibilities, like making sure to fulfill their requirements to their previous employer which is something you want them to do for you when they leave.
- If you can’t pay enough that YOU could cover rent and a car payment off the pay, then you shouldn’t be hiring, and if you can’t treat your employees, and job candidates with respect, then you deserve to be a job candidate yourself instead of a business owner.
Toxic bosses need not post job offers. I would rather work at a McDonald’s…
Oh you sweet summer child…
As someone who spent too many years in fast food the bosses there are extremely toxic, largely due to the fact that it is one of the easiest places to find some nieve replacement for the person who doesn’t want to be on call 24/7 and work unpaid overtime.
They did say with competent management, which may be a fictional state.
Statistically there’s got to be one well managed McDonald’s somewhere in the world.
How fucking dare that applicant ask what hours they will be working.
or if they will get insurance through work.
I feel like the answer to some of these questions would/should be answered in either the job application or the job offer. I get not wanting to wait for the job offer, but a company not offering that info is a red flag imo. Personally, I’d ask before signing the official offer, and not at the job interview. I’d also probably go for more general questions.
“What does a typical work day look like?”
“What is the overall compensation package?” Though this one can be a bit taboo
why the heck would someone want to waste time with an interview process if they don’t know the most basic expectations and compensation? no, i don’t think you should have to wait for an official offer to learn things like hours and benefits.
Based on the OP, they didn’t have the answers to these questions when they accepted the interview. These should be presented by the business along with the job offer, or they’ll come along with the job offer.
Yes, you’d expect so, however on average you’ll be applying to 100 jobs per 1 interview, and if you get an interview with a company that doesn’t list it, it’s another 100 applications before one rolls around, might as well take the interview and ask.
“What is the overall compensation package?”
This should be discussed as part of salary expectations. In fact talking about the overall compensation is a recommendation to avoid giving a specific number when asked what salary range you are expecting. (“That depends on other compensation factors such as how much time off I get in a year and medical benefits coverage.”)
Doing this got me an extra $1000 a year as my starting salary at my previous job when their medical benefits were not as good as what I had at the time.
And trying to get a feel for the workplace culture‽ Absolutely outrageous!!!
the workplace culture‽
Such a loaded phrase lol
Is the culture yogurt or Clostridium botulinum?
Hopefully a good mix of Firmicutes and Bacteriodes.
One reason why finding a job is such a hassle. So many employers just want to interview people to hit a quota of “candidates reviewed” without taking any given candidate seriously.
You get a bunch of false positives in the search and waste time going through the motions with people who aren’t actually in charge of anything.
Straight out of college I had an eight hour interview process once, for an IT job that paid $25k starting. Round after round of quizes and queries that ate up my whole day.
Then I got picked up by a boutique medical IT firm a few weeks later after two calls and a 30 minute walk in, for nearly twice the salary. When I got the rejection letter from the first people six months later all I could do was laugh.
Bingo. I wasted time with a huge, multi-day, multi part interview process with a huge local manufacturing conglomerate. Multiple interview panels over a week, and finally just got rejected because the first two panels I had sat in had no allowance to reject anyone. According to a friend that works there, “it tests how persevering you are”.
I had a place tell me I wasn’t selected almost exactly a year after I had spoken with them. I set a timer for as long as they had waited to send me that, and replied to it myself a year later.
Probably no one saw it or understood, but it made me chuckle.
My experience in engineering on both sides of the table is similar. As a hiring manager, my goal is to move as fast as possible because talented folks are going to be looking at lots of places and I need present the best option to them very quickly so I don’t lose them. I don’t fuck around with haggling or candidate pools; two, maybe three max interviews depending on the role and we’re rejecting or making the best possible offer we can. I picked this up from companies I have preferred to work at. I think massive enterprises get bogged down in their internal processes and procedures and red tape while forgetting the employee experience begins during the candidate experience. If I have to go through many rounds of interviews I can only assume working there will be miles of bureaucracy before I can do anything more than sneeze.
I am personally fine with the old onsite process where you’d go to the company and have a day or half a day of interviews with not only the team but the stakeholders as well. Post-COVID that turned into a remote onsite and slowly turned into weeks of interviews which I don’t like but is more flexible for serious candidates. When I was running those, each group had specific areas to cover so we got a good sense of the boundaries of your skills. You got to meet many people you’d work with and get a sense of how things run. Always practical, though, never any of that leetcode bullshit. Also always two way. You don’t just stare at a candidate; they need to understand you to make a good decision. And, most importantly, the scale is based on seniority/pay. I’m not going to spend more than an hour or two with a junior interview because it’s a fucking junior interview.
“These ARE the important questions, though based on your reaction I don’t believe you are the employer to value a skilled employee.”
On any jobs interviews i do, i always ask if the applicant has questions because they are interviewing us as much as we are them.
Yup. It’s an interview. Not a viewing.
Right! I don’t want you to be here if you’re going to hate it anymore than you do.
Maybe I’m crazy or out of touch, but I’ve never asked these questions… because all of them but #6 and #7 should have been in the information given out long before I even get to the interview. Two/Five should at least be addressed by someone selling the company to you during the interview.
Six could be worded a bit better, because the interviewer is already going to have to clarify with you what pressure and laid back look like to you, and seven is probably better once the negotiation starts after the offer is begun.
keep in mind, this wording is filtered through the hr fool’s retelling.
You’re right. I didn’t think of that, but it does completely shift the lens.
This is important IMO. This is not the applicant’s wording. This is how the HR drone perceived these questions, not direct quotes. We actually have no idea what the applicant asked, but we do know that this person is a clown.
I’m on the job hunt right now and I cannot stress enough how much I do not care what company leadership needs to tell themselves so they can sleep at night. All I need to know are the pay, the benefits, and if the job aligns with my interest
Good thing the session was already wrapping up. I couldn’t take a candidate employer seriously after that.
I may take the job if I needed the money, but you bet your ass I’m jumping ship the moment I get another offer, and there won’t be any notice.
That interviewer should be fired immediately for not being intelligent enough to recognize more important questions when asked them. Whoever let that one into the corporation should be fired as well, also with immediate effect.
Exactly what questions would this person consider “more important”?
The obvious ones duh.
Should I be referring to you as sir or master?
When I bend over should I hold my cheeks open or will you do that?
Can I lick your boots before others so I can eat more shit?Waitaminute. Were you at my last interview?
None. None questions are important to somebody like that.
“When is your lunch?” is probably somewhere in there.
“What’s the career trajectory in the unit?” Which is a polite way of asking what happened to the last person. Another classic is if they are looking to sustain their current performance, make small improvements, or do an overhaul.
Nine to six? Dolly Parton is spinning in her grave
She is not dead.
Made you look.
Or is she?
Gotta get that siesta, comrade.
If it’s while I’m working, it’s on their time.
Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime…
The boss makes a dollar, I make a dime That was a poem From a simpler time
Now his boss makes 1000 While I make a cent And he’s got employees That can’t make the rent
When the CEO makes a million And we don’t make jack That’s when we riot To take it all back
Now Mr investor If this seems extreme I have to remind you It beats guillotines
