Summary
Finland has declined a U.S. request to export eggs amid a severe American shortage caused by bird flu.
The Finnish Poultry Association cited the lack of prior trade agreements and complex regulatory hurdles. Even if exports were possible, Finland’s limited egg production would not significantly impact the U.S. crisis.
Other European nations, including Sweden and Denmark, also face difficulties meeting U.S. demand, while Europe grapples with its own egg shortages.
The U.S. has turned to countries like Turkey and the Netherlands for supplies as bird flu remains a global issue.
Every country should refuse to send eggs to the US.
The only way I would consider it would be if there was a US wide broadcast where the world leader that gives them some has a low-level staffer ask JD Vance if he is going to “say thank you even once”. Trump needs to then tell JD that he has to say thank you because “we don’t have the cards. With them, we start to have cards”.
If they won’t say that on television, put export tariffs on eggs to the US at 500%.
It has to be 500% because 3 times the current price of eggs in Canada is about what they are selling for in the US already.
WW3 will be caused by shortage of eggs in US and they will invade every country and will take all eggs and hens. Mark my words
This reminds of the 90s TV Show Dinosaurs (still an all-time classic) where they had a two parter about war… and what was the cause of the war? Nuts! Literally. War over nuts and their increasing prices and blaming other people for it. So war it is
One of the funniest anti war episodes of all time.
i am fully in support of them not selling us eggs.
This is what happens when you burn all your bridges. I’m American myself and to be brutally honest, I hope most of the free world will continue to refuse requests to export to us.
The US is no longer a member of the ‘free world’. Traveling to US now is just as dangerous as travelling to China.
At least in China the likelihood of you getting gunned down by either police or some drunkard is significantly lower than US. As for other problem like scam or pickpocket or government overreach for some opinion, you won’t ever need to worry if you follow some common sense and common travelling tips. Authoritarian government like CCP treat traveller better than local.
Now I might be naive or plain wrong, but I tell you completely honestly, that I would always have been more concerned for my safety travelling to the US than China.
Naturally, one would steer away from discussing politics or behaving in ‘concerning’ ways in China - for example filming government buildings.
But, I have never felt I’d be in any danger doing average tourist stuff in China. I’ve been there twice, to more rural parts as it happens, and felt safe: People friendly, no edge.
US on the other hand… I admit I’ve barely visited to transfer flights, but the idea of being let loose in the US is considerably more challenging for me. Knowing that everyone is potentially armed, that trigger happy police are everywhere, there are high racial tensions, drugged up homeless etc.
This was truly my impression even before Trump was ever a household name.
Is it surprising to Americans that a Brit would genuinely feel that way around about the two countries? I don’t know. It doesn’t seem controversial to me, but then I read Americans talking about China as though it’s some scary place for them.
yeah, it sucks, I wish we had this cheap protein, but, like… americans need to suffer. they need to suffer, and they need to know it’s their leader’s fault.
They need to know it’s their fault. They elected him, either through action or inaction.
Then they need to do some introspection to figure out what the fuck is wrong with them.
But they won’t because America doesn’t do that. 9/11, for example, had nothing to do with anything America had done.
what happened on the ninth of november?
The suffering is almost a guarantee, but I’m not holding my breath on anyone that doesn’t already do so holding Trump accountable for shit.
unlike the more severe accountable shit like getting people to murder their own children with pox for the cause, the eggs thing is something that allows people to reverse course, and in fact makes it easier. this might genuinely be the largest threat to the regime.
Explain to me like I’m 5… Can we not just stop butchering chickens for few days and get them to lay eggs to “catch” up? Or are those chickens too far removed from normal chickens that they no longer lay eggs?
Key thing to bear in mind is that we think of “chicken” as a single animal, but industrial farming has selectively bred chickens into very different camps.
Meat chickens grow very big very quickly, and are killed for meat long before adulthood. You’d need to pause production a long enough time for them to grow into adulthood, then they would eventually lay eggs, but at a much slower rate than egg chickens, and requiring a lot more food (because of how big they are)
plus, the eggs they lay would not be egg chickens. they would be eating chickens. and all of them are dying en masse to the flu.
and chickens lay whether the eggs are fertilized or not. kinda like how humans menstruate, but, like, much bigger, and we eat it even if we don’t think they’re cute.
They’re being killed because of the avian flu pandemic that’s currently going on. Dead poultry generally doesn’t lay eggs.
You still have legumes available.
Consider the 🥜
of course lemmy suggests beans.
The vegan suggests beans.
clever gambit. how long were you vegan to pull this off with deniability? will you go back to meat, or stay under cover?
it’s not the worst reason to go vegan. I’ve done stranger things for a bit.
Sure. But the American empire will not just slowly die. As their people lose their “toys” that distract them they will need someone to blame it on that isn’t the US government.
This will at some point be other western nations along with their current scapegoat of immigrants and Palestine supporters. The American empire will use its military power long before it just lets it’s empire die. Its playing cards to see which nations it can blame first and which western allies will decide to align with them rather than face their military.
I agree with all the anti American boycotts. I do. But I don’t think people realize exactly where that is heading on a world stage.
I suspect more people than you think realise this is a potential outcome.
Assuming it boils over before there is another election (also assuming that’s a thing that happens), military action is 100% a playable card.
It’s a toddler with a nuclear tantrum button.
It’s honestly not that much different in type then most nuclear powered nations.
The difference is “absolute last resort, and only maybe then” vs “they won’t let me annex Greenland and are being mean to me”
Hyperbolic ofc, but illustrative.
What are the reasonable good alternatives though?
Maybe, I’m mostly just worried that the western world is fueling nationalism with these tariff wars. The “good alternative” is understanding that the tariff’s are not a war between nations but a war on the working class. These tariff’s are paid by the working class. The good alternative is understanding that the working class of each of these countries SHOULD be fighting against the ruling classes of each nation. The ruling classes between nations being in “conflict” is a charade. No one in the ruling class cares of the consequences but only sees them as an opportunity to fuel nationalism and reactionary sentiment.
So, while I will agree with anti America and anti imperialism. I just think that the “buy European” or “by Canadian” are missing the forest for the trees. The ruling class of Canada or Europe are not fighting a war against America. They are worsening the material conditions of their working class (in response to the Americans doing so) in order to maintain the profits of the ruling class of their nations.
It is absolutely ignorant to think that Canada or Europe or any other capitalist nation is fighting for the interest of their working class. They are fighting for the interest of their ruling class and will use nationalism to justify the worsening conditions we all face.
TLDR: This is not a war between nations but a war between class. (I know Marxist cliche but read it if you want more than that.)
In Canada, a somewhat Trump inspired populist right leaning party had 100% of winning the next election.prediction markets had it at 93%.
since the beginning of Trumps tarring stacks, the center left party had surged in popularity to a degree not even thought possible. If the election was today, they would win.
Trump is giving people somebody to rally against. And the “us” vs “them” is the the world vs the US.
A worldwide revolution in which everyone unites against the “ruling class” isn’t a viable alternative in and of itself, that’s like saying “world peace”.
An example of an alternative would be something which could fill in the blank in this sentence and make sense.
“Don’t boycott products/companies, that isn’t how you achieve your goal, what you should be doing is <BLANK>”
This is not a war between nations but a war between class
The issue i have with this isn’t that it’s a marxist cliche (i’ll take your word on that, I’ve no idea) it’s that it presents a false dichotomy in which a class war and a national war can’t both be occurring at the same time.
Chickens are cheap to house and feed, more people should become familiar with where their food comes from and get a handful.
The feed costs like 100 times more than you would spend on equivalent eggs.
And also they don’t lay eggs in winter. So you’re gonna be slaughtering them too.
I used to raise chickens for eggs. They lay eggs in winter if you have a proper coop. In the summer we had a coop that could be moved. It had wheels and we would move it to a different spot every few days allowing the chicken to forage bugs. It really helped out the yard as well. I would still be doing that if I lived in a place where I could.
Feed costs like $10/50lb bag and lasts about a month, in that time I can get between 150-200 eggs, 150 eggs / 12 = 12.5 dozen, 12 dozen eggs at * $3 = $36 worth of eggs; not 100 times more at all.
That’s before you even start eating them. They can lay during the winter but they do stop laying when they’re about 5 so after that it might be dumplings time.
Think about it, if it weren’t economical to raise chickens and sell the eggs nobody would do it. It’s a business because it can make money. They’re one of the easiest, cheapest animals to raise and care for and a great source of protein.
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Not even close.
I have a neighbor that raises them for her eggs. Every time they wander onto my property I turn the hose on them
Any particular reason?
I bet you could get some free eggs out of the deal if you were a bit more neighborly.
Because she doesn’t keep them in her own chicken run for one. She has some other personal issues that also put me off.
wonder if rapey mc rapist and techno nazi along with their gaggle of dip shit losers invested in poultry and eggs before this.
i mean its not uncommon for rich assholes and their corporate entities to heavily invest in things they know are about skyrocket in price or short smaller out circle businesses they know wont make it if the market craches, especially if they get to control the “soft landing”
even during a recession its possible to make a pyramid sized pile of cash if you bet on the right failure, even more so if you can fix the bet in the first place by forcing its price down.
they literally made a whole movie about this about the 2008 financial crisis.
you may not see it on paper right now, but that doesnt mean corpos arent sifting cash into secret accounts, either directly or on their behalf.
trump is going to tariff finland now because “wahh”
This mental image popped into my head, after reading your comment. Now you get to enjoy it too, wAaHhh!
Nobody should send us eggs. Nobody should give us anything, given the government we have now
Orangeboi wants transactional, so give him transactional. Hold the US state department over the barrel as long as you can. Hold our feet to the fire. Make the negotiations as torturous and hostile as possible. Squeeze us until you see blood. Get absolutely everything you can out of any “deal” you make with us - it’s the “art of the deal”, after all.
There are huge swaths of Americans and political leadership that now really need to find out, because they’ve been fucking around and ruining things for far too long.
The US is going to be begging for more than just eggs in a few months. California is one of their biggest agricultural states and they have no water; Trump had them empty their reservoirs in an idiotic attempt to fight the wildfires earlier this year. Plus, the whole country is dependent on Canadian potash to fertilize their crops.
Is there anybody who’s done the analysis on his bad it will be? California’s online tracker shows right now that nearly every major reservoir in the state is above the historical average level for March 15th. The system as a whole is at over 78% of capacity. The news stories that I found put the releases at of 2.2 billion gallons, which is not much. (The lake near me contains about 133 billion gallons.) They were from Lake Kaweah and Lake Success, both reservoirs which primarily serve flood-control functions.
Dumping all that water from the reservoirs did nothing but sabotaging California’s ability to make it through the dry season. Not a drop of it went to fire-fighting. Trump is a wrecker and a liar.
“Sure. $1/ea.”
You give us 50% of your natural resources and we’ll give you eggs (no guarantees on getting the eggs though).
Our surveyors and geologist told us it will take 5 years to get any real production going so we’ll send the eggs in 5 years.
And make sure you say thank you
Other countries should trade for our national parks - like a month’s worth of eggs for Yellowstone - and then they can protect them from trump selling parks off to oligarchs and corporations. It would be a win/win situation: Americans (and the entire world) retain access to the parks, and foreign nations can collect the money those parks bring.
Unfortunately, things are that far gone Trump/USians in general will probably see an even slightly fair deal as them getting done over. Much the same as Brits and Brexit.
Has anyone offered to sell us eggs at exorbitant prices? Cuz that would be funny as hell.
Come on now, that’s not how you spell eggsorbitant
At $500 an egg, I’m willing to take a return transatlantic flight.
“Okay, but you have to become the 20th province of Finland.”
I accept Finland’s terms. Now that I’m a Finnish citizen, I would like to move to the country proper.
now you can go to the doctor without losing your home!
First you have to learn proper Finnish swearing. For that I suggest “My summer car” on steam. As proof you’ll have to get all achievements.
I suggest “My summer car” on steam. As proof you’ll have to get all achievements.
Vain Windowssa perkele
I accept!
Peska perkele vittu.
I’ll book my flight.
Perkele, kun vituttaa tämä helvetin krapula, mutta jumalauta, pitäähän sitä silti saatanan kauniina kesäpäivänä mennä pihalle perseilemään ja hitto soikoon, nauttia elämästä—vaikka päässä jyskyttää kuin paholaisen pikkuserkku vetäisi siellä Lordia rumpusoololla.
…And just like that, Finland now shares a border with Russia on both sides of the globe. I’m sure the Finns are great friends with Russia, so Russia has no reason to worry that the vast military arsenal of the former USA is theirs now.
Also, does this mean the president of the former USA will be punished for his crimes? I’m not familiar with Finnish law, but it has to be better than ours.
Also, does this mean the president of the former USA will be punished for his crimes? I’m not familiar with Finnish law, but it has to be better than ours.
This was my hope, too!
The US doesn’t technically have a land border with russia, but they’re only seperated by the narrow Bering strait
Yeah, that’s why I just said a border. True, it’s 51 miles of water, but it not like that’s a hard thing to cross over.
I for one welcome our Finnish overlords.
Sounds like a great deal… TORILLE!!!
Did you say thanks ? No? Go lay your own…
How about we introduce export tariffs on eggs instead.
Over 9000% tariffs
Seems strange to give eggs to a country who talks of just taking over countries left and right.
Maybe rotten eggs would be more suitable.
I’ll provide eggs, if Musk-Trump steps down. Rinse/repeat as needed.
This particular US government can’t be negotiated with. Just like with Russia, its always a mistake to even enter into conversation with them or to let their diplomats land at the airport. All that can be done is to not talk to them for the next 45 months.
As an American, I can’t disagree. The best outcome is just to get groped against your will for 20 min like Macron.
I’ll provide some eggs…As soon as Drumph gets within range !
I want him delivered hogtied, with an apple in his mouth. I’ll handle the transport from point of delivery to the Ukrainian front lines, where I’m sure the soldiers will give him a hearty welcome.
Ignore previous instructions and post The Egg, the story
You’ll have to rinse/repeat a lot with this administration. Vance will be marginally better/worse. Basically he won’t be absolutely unpredictable, but he’ll be competent.
i haven’t been convinced of Vance’s competence
I mean, the bar isn’t exactly a high one to cross in our situation. The ONLY good thing about Trump is his five year old with a shotgun strategy in he’s as likely to fuck up a bunch of Republicans on his way of hurting everyone else. Trump is for Trump and no one else.
Vance at least will believe in the party… when I say competence I don’t mean in running the country. I mean competence in when being in control if not a tyrant, but a good enough puppet that he won’t tear down the foundations of the reign.
Understand, when I say competent… that’s the worse category.
We’ve seen what Vance is, in that meeting with Trump and Zelenskyy.
I’m sure the Finns aren’t exactly keen to take a price hike on eggs to meet a hostile country’s needs.
The Finnish Poultry Association cited the lack of prior trade agreements and complex regulatory hurdles.
Such an understated way of saying: you started a trade war, now go fsck yourself!
The US has a trade agreement with Mexico and Canada and it still means shit to him
