Literally nobody in my day-to-day life has ever warned me about or even used the term ‘woke mind virus’. It’s a fucking ridiculous notion pushed by ignorant, non-serious fakers. If anyone did say that to me in person, I’d laugh at their face then turn around and walk away laughing so hard i’d be looking for a hand rail or wall to balance myself. It’s too bad social media doesn’t allow for that level of humiliating interaction
Is the woke mind virus here with us in this room right now?
I’ve heard it be used ironically
Man… Imagine actually losing a child, and then seeing this man call his daughter dead simply because she is trans.
It’s actually an unbelievably awful and sad thought… And it’s not hypothetical. It’s very real.
Also, speaking as a disowned trans woman, while not the case here, often the parents saying that refrain either were the ones to cut contact themselves, or are engaging in missing missing reasons shit
It’s not uncommon for even loving and supportive parents to need to mourn their idea of who they thought their child was as they get to know them as they are now. But that’s a time to maybe attend some pflag counseling sessions and talk to parents who’ve been through it and can assure them that their kid is the same person and going to be happier. Making a public stink and getting involved in transphobia guarantees lasting damage to your relationship if it can ever be recovered.
I’m so very sorry to hear that happened to you. There’s a lot of parents out there that are… less than optimal. I guess the various survivors will just have to build our own found families out of people worth our time.
Yeah. Though it should be noted, it’s actually rare for disowning like that to be permanent. I’ve known my fair share of us and contact is usually reestablished a few years later. At nearing 10 years without meaningful contact I’m an exception. But for those who do reestablish contact the years and trust that are lost are incredibly important. To lose family during such an emotionally and materially vulnerable time does lasting damage and some parents don’t seem to get why their child, while open to reestablishing contact, can’t let things go back to how they were before.
And yeah I’ve been fortunate, I find myself surrounded by love and community at stage after stage of my life. Some scars are difficult to heal, and so I do like to speak up on this topic in case someone who needs to hear does.
love seeing references to Down the Rabbit Hole out in the wild
This is my first thought and is another level of awful on this shit sundae. Trans rights are a whole separate conversation. Let’s start with the fact that some people do lose their children and would do ANYTHING to have them back for one fucking day. A father who buried their child would be well within their rights to beat the ever loving shit out of Elon for this post.
NO. No they fucking didn’t die. What YOU did was decide you’d rather have a dead son than a living daughter. What YOU decided was your child wasn’t worth it. That you didn’t love them enough to learn anything or change your fucking mind.
It’s even worse than that. He’s lying. According to Vivian, he didn’t give a shit that she was trans until he turned alt-right. Now he’s trying to use that to score points with his new fanbase.
He didn’t care about her pre-transition. He doesn’t care about her post-transition. He doesn’t care about a “woke mind virus”. He’s just doing the right-wing equivalent of virtue signaling. Vice signaling?
The “best” part is that it’s basically all because she pointed out what a POS dad he was, and when some stupid publicity stunts he did to make her like him didn’t work, he turned on her and went on this “woke mind virus” tirade. He’s such a petulant child it’s absolutely hilarious.
Oh, I didn’t know about that history. I thought it all started with the Jordan Peterson interview.
I mean isn’t he choosing all male children? What else do you expect.
He’s a literal technofascist and yes he is, almost none of his kids are reportedly natural conceptions and there’s some evidence to suggest botched penis vanity surgery prevents him from having children naturally.
there’s some evidence to suggest botched penis vanity surgery prevents him from having children naturally.
Someone should do a study of these fucking losers to see how much overlap there is between hateful right wing ideology, bigots, pedos, etc. and dudes with deformed penises.
Didn’t Epstein also have a weird shaped penis? And Trump?
I don’t even know if he understands what sex is.
What evidence of a botched penis vanity surgery is there?
His ex grimes allegedly saying it.
There’s a difference between Grimes saying something and Azealia Banks claiming that Grimes said something. I’d be very skeptical of any rumor started by Azealia Banks.
There’s not, grimes has had ample opportunity to rebuke the idea and chose not to so it stands as circumstantial evidence.
I am skeptical of anyone giving musk the benefit of the doubt at this point, guess we’re just different people huh?
Nobody wants to respond to Azealia Banks, who is known for harassing other artists on social media, especially ones who don’t have the foresight to avoid interacting with her. Grimes didn’t comment the last name Banks dragged her into a feud related to Elon Musk, and later released a song about “trying to destroy Azealia Banks when she tried to destroy my life”.
Why would Grimes go out of her way to defend her ex against rumors about his penis when he just tried to block her from seeing their children? Grimes is not responsible for refuting rumors about Musk and she has every reason to ignore them, even more so when Azealia Banks is involved.
That’s an allegation, not evidence.
Sounds like circumstantial evidence to me…
Allegations from first hand sources are evidence, that’s an eye witness they have children together people have been convicted of murder on eye witness alone.
My limited understanding of the law is that allegations can trigger investigations in the hopes to find evidence, but are not evidences themselves. I could be wrong though.
Holy fuck is THAT what Vivian’s dead name is?! Jesus Christ what an absolute loser musk is… what is his obsession with the letter X
Dude is a like 12 year old, I swear
Basically his first “son” named X didn’t turn out the way he wanted, so he made another son named X.
And he changed twitter to X.
And X is an established nazi reference.
Elon is rotten and evil to his core.
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‘X’ is the 88th ASCII character.
This sort of stuff felt like reaching until I witnessed it myself.
For those who don’t know: X is like a swastica, and it’s the 88th ascii character, H is the 8th letter, 88 -> HH -> “hail Hitler”.
Yes. I do feel like Adam West’s Batman.
I haven’t seen evidence of X as a dogwhistle, though I would suspect if I did it would be like the OK sign, which was intentionally used to make antifascists look crazy
I’m not saying he’s not a nazi obsessed with the letter, both are true. But they don’t feel related and I haven’t seen non-circumstantial evidence predating Musk being a fascist.
I think the Nazi influence goes back pretty far for him. I heard that his grandparents were neo Nazis in Canada.
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Of course it is
He’s like a preschooler trying to use their power level
I’m honestly surprised that I somehow managed to miss that. There’s also X AE A-XII, and there are some others that have an x in the name such as Exa Dark Sideræl Musk and Saxon Musk.
such as Exa Dark Sideræl Musk
I hate this so goddamn much.
It’s a “my immortal” ass name
It’s like a fucking middle schooler saw the word “sideareal” in their science textbook and thought it looked cool.
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This is some JW disfellowshiping level behavior.
But sure Elon, you’re not the one in a cult, it’s everyone outside of your group that’s crazy.
Dude, are you an escaped JW disfelloshipped king/queen too? I totally did not expect to see this relation brought up in this thread!
No, but I know some ex JWs.
Ew
Fucking idiot killed his son himself.There was no “virus”. He went with “you’re dead to me”. Vivian said that this is who she is and he killed her for it. He’s the loser - she’s living her truth and he’s blind to who he really is. What a clown.
Wanting to exterminate ideas is definitely not a fascist tendency.
I really cannot wait for the pendulum to swing back the other way. I am going to be absolutely insufferable about it until I die. These people have gone so far over the line.
Wanting to exterminate ideas is definitely not a fascist tendency.
From the same guy that said he wanted to “cure” autism. Surely you must jest.
Would you say eliminating the idea of the patriarchy or fascism itself is fashy?
I’d say eliminating patriarchy or fascism is coercive, but not (necessarily) authoritarian and definitely not fascist:
- Coercive because you’re using force to suppress the idea (e.g. punching Nazis, canceling abusers.)
- Anti-authoritarian if the people are organically self-organizing to punch Nazis. More authoritarian if a centralized power is drafting people to punch Nazis.
- Not fascist because fascism is inherently far-right, and predicated on enforcing a “natural” power hierarchy.
The Paradox of Tolerance justifies the forceful suppression of fascism and patriarchy. But imo you have to be careful - I limit my application of the Paradox of Tolerance to ideas that intrinsically cannot coexist with freedom of thought.
He is a disgusting nazi and as any nazi should be taken out from the face of earth
I wonder if he actually understands why he is so hated. Like, if he gets gaddafied would it register why it was happening
Just another “serious adult” in the imperial core.
“You’re dead to me” is what a bad parent would say. To do it over political ideology is even worse.
I think this is innately a deeply personal issue to him - and he is now going to train the firepower of “the richest person on the planet” on everyone. thats where the politics and ideological alignment may come in.
one hell of a (sad?) real life “super-villain” origin story. the man needs mental help, and derision, but a lot of serious mental help.
The richest man in the world can buy anything except the love and admiration of his own child.
he WAS the richest, but last i saw, his personal net worth went down $200B! the largest loss of net worth ever. Keep it up guys and he’ll be in the gutter
He will never ever be in the gutter. I’m sure he has enough liquidity that he will be very wealthy no matter what his stock does, even if he couldn’t extract another penny out of his stocks somehow.
He’s a narsassistic asshole who apparently did IVF for all his kids because he wanted all boys.
That one of the kids ended up being a girl because she’s trans despite his effort at avoiding it seems to drive him crazy, especially as someone who thinks he owns his children.
he’s an asshole like all conservatives.
His kids are all IVF because his penis got broken during vanity enlargement surgery. Balding, chinless, dickless wonder who somehow thinks HIS genes need to be propagated with gold diggers. Respect to his daughter for being what she is, and not what he wants.
who somehow thinks HIS genes need to be propagated with gold diggers.
Who else is he going to propagate his genes with? At least they get paid for their service?
I was kinda implying there’s shitty genes from both sides, when both parents are shitty…
if anyone wants to check your post history, i’d bet they’d agree that your mother wouldn’t be very proud of you.
I loathe Trumpists, russian orcs and Musk cucks. Of course YOU don’t like it !
yeah, that all totally sounds like me.
where the fuck did you get the idea that i’m totally different from everything i say?
Yep and if he’s controlling he’ll HATE that she’s not doing as he wants and living as the gender she was assigned at birth
He’s not just narcissistic, he’s also autistic.
Autism has nothing to do with how he acts. Dont push that crap “he is autistic thats why he acts that way”
I agree. But Naia was politicising mental disorders and I thought I’d dare them to go all the way. I hate it when cowards only go after the mental disorders everyone already hates. It’s picking on the weak. Go big or go home!
What politicizing? That he is a narsassistic asshole? He’s also a psychopath, like all billionaires.
I don’t really know what you are even saying. Being autistic does not make you do nazi salutes then joke about it with puns when called out on it.
No mental disorder makes you do Nazi salutes
I’m autistic. What’s your point?
Politicising mental disorders is the same bullshit no matter which disorder. Musk is a person, his autism and narcissism have nothing to do with his political choices.
His narcissism most certainly has to do with his political choices, especially since it seems his narcissism is driving him to do stupider and more damaging actions. Also I doubt he is autistic dude was looking for an excuse for being unfunny and about as charismatic as a rotting opposum corpse cooking on the side of the road, also the afformentioned uncontrolled narcissism and long history of lying makes anything he claims suspect.
I doubt he has narcissism as much as you doubt he has autism. He doesn’t have a diagnosis. It’s just rumours. That’s not a good enough basis to be ableist. You’re forming stereotypes about narcissism based on a rumour based on stereotypes. It’s fucking xkcd citogenesis. You’re inventing your own truth whole cloth.
I’m addressing the trait of narcissism not the mental illness of narcissistic personality disorder. Two different things ones a mental illness and the other is being a maladaptive bitch who thinks they’re the center of the universe and everyone else is an NPC, I’ll give you that musk is definitely mentally fucked by multiple metrics but it ain’t ableist to point out that his mental issues are contributing to his political spiral. Just like how my mother’s abuse was made worse by her bipolar swings Musks Nazi tendencies were caused by his maladaptions and accelerated by his addiction.
Analysis requires acknowledgement of all factors and guess what to analyze Musk you have to factor in his mental instability. Mental illness often times often times works as an acceleratent for negative tendencies I know this from personal experience, both with my mother and my own issues since PTSD and autism is a right volatile mix.
Regardless I don’t feel like there’s any point in being not ableist to Musk, it’d probably piss him off. Treat him like the depressed little shit stain he is, maybe we will get lucky and he’ll decide to air out his skull with a 12 gauge slug.
I’m ADHD and probably autistic. I wouldn’t consider any theoretical children I could have as property nor dismantle programs people rely on to survive.
Being autistic and a greedy asshole is not mutually exclusive. There’s a big difference in not understanding social queues or whatever and having a breeding fetish or whatever he has when it comes to kids.
On top of all the other horrible things. Like Trump he desperately wants praise and such. Its why he lashed out and called that one guy a “pedo” because he felt upstages when he couldn’t be the one to take credit for saving the kids, not that he cared about the kids.
You should feel equally angry when people politicise any mental disorder.
We should probably be more invested in renaming the disorder from a term that’s been an insult for millenia and as such would always be stigmatized
been an insult for millenia
In common use as an insult since 1979. Prior to that it was used in the psychological field for about a century
Yeah. Although it’s worth remembering it was an insult with a very different meaning in ancient Greece. Elon Musk is an attention seeker, but Narcissus wasn’t. Narcissus caused all that drama by not wanting to date anyone. Ameinias fell in love with Narcissus and asked for his hand in marriage. Narcissus said no, and told Ameinias to fuck off and die. So Ameinias prayed to the gods “let him love what he cannot have”, and that’s how the reflection thing happened. Narcissus was the opposite of an attention seeker, he just wanted to be left alone.
But I’m not politicizing mental disorders. I’m calling an asshole an asshole.
Anyone who then comes out with the BS “but he’s autistic” is trying to politicize autism while also excusing his actions that are literally costing lives.
So spare me your moral outrage while my existance as both a neurodivergent person and a trans person is under attack by the peice of shit you are treating with kid gloves if not trying to defend
You politicised narcissism. Don’t do that. It’s offensive. And if you are going to be a bigot and attack him for having a mental disorder, I dare you to go all the way. Attack him for all his mental disorders, not just the ones society will let you get away with. Commit to your values properly. Go big or go home.
I feel like you are missing the forest for the trees here. You keep fixating on this like some kind of “gatcha” using the exact same phrasing as his defenders who claimed he did the Nazi salute because he’s autistic.
I personally do not give a flying fuck on what “mental disorders” he has. Also, autism is a developmental disability, not a mental disorder. There is a difference.
As far as “politicizing narcissism”, how is pointing out he has traits associated with politicizing it? Like, he’s a fucking fascist who is using the absurd level of wealth he’s accumulated to basically buy the government and get unelected power he is using to dismantle any agency that benefits the masses or has investigated him for business violations.
That’s on top of the social issues where he and Trump are trying to make it harder for minority groups to exist in the world.
It’s been well researched that conservatives tend to have many more narcissistic traits because the entire political ideology hinges on hierarchy and a “fuck you, I got mine” mentality. It’s also been well researched that CEOs are all more likely to have psychopathic traits.
It’s not “politicizing” pointing out traits someone has to explain what they are doing in politics or harm they are causing in general. If someone is a self-centered asshole who act like they are better than everyone else and uses that as the basis for denying other people rights then I don’t really care what the reason behind their self-centered nature is. An asshole is still an asshole. There is no justification or excuse for what they do.
You are basically saying “you’re the bigot” when I point out that a fascist is a fascist. You ignore the substance of what I and others are saying to just attack us and hand wave any issues we have with Musk.
Again, if you feel it’s more important to tone police us because we aren’t using language you like when we talk about a literal fascist that is causing uncountable harm and death, who is supporting and pushing for multiple genocides, who sees his children as property and is using a toddler as a human shield, then I don’t think we are going to find common ground here.
Musk’s actions are indefensible. The only people I’ve seen argue against criticism of him are his sycophants. You are doing “so much for the tolerant left” bullshit. My only question is if you are actually one of his cult members or just misguided.
But in the end it doesn’t matter. If you defend a fascist you are a fascist…
Not even political ideology, she’s just trans.
Twitter likes are more important to him than the wellbeing of his daughter
most parents are garbage, just never get a chance to show it.
This isn’t the right thread to post it on, but no he can be shittier. He even pulled a preemptive Adolf Eichmann when he said that he never physically hurt anyone. This is what Eichmann said at his trial. That he never killed a Jew or ordered anyone to kill a Jew.
That was, of course, irrelevant. He was the architect of the holocaust and his actions are what allowed the 20 million victims to die.
Slight tangent here: it’s important for everyone to recognize how any organizational structure or bureaucracy contributes to the diffusion of responsibility. At best it’s accidental, but at worst, it’s used to protect those in power while ensuring the little guy is left holding the bag. At the same time, it helps everyone involved do their part since their individual role is usually very small and only slightly outside the moral bounds of the individual (if at all). You (anyone) may be in an organization that has the same patterns at play, * right now.*
This is also why RICO lawsuits are a thing, since it was nearly impossible to nail mob bosses to the wall without it. IMO, we still need something stronger as applied to the misdeeds of corporations, but I suspect that’ll be a long time coming.
Many countries did enact RICO style laws to stop organized crime. In Japan if one Yakuza member does something really stupid, they can actually arrest and charge many of his comrades even if they had nothing to do with his crime or even have knowledge of it.
Oh wow. If there was ever a Japanese take on something like RICO, “you have brought shame on your organization so all of your associates get punished” is probably the most Japanese one possible.
If he thinks himself eichnann I’ve got news for him, as he’s a major propagandist, and Goebbels and Streicher both hanged.
Julius Streicher was indeed hanged, but Goebbels committed suicide… along with his wife… after killing their children…
Oh yeah he was one of the ones who knew he was doomed and did it himself
A coward to the end, unwilling to answer for the crimes he knew he committed.
And seriously what a sick fuck to even kill his kids. The allies weren’t going to punish his children.
Is this idiot talking about his daughter? Sorry I’m away from news
Yep
he apparently used IVF or something to have kids, and only had male embryos implanted into the partner dejure of the moment.
So when she came out as trans, he lost his absolute fucking mind.
He was always a emotionally stunted pre teen edgelord.
But when she came out, he went extremely hard right and dove head first into deathcamp nazism
Yeah, he was “pro” rights for that community and posted about it on Twitter pre that happening. Then she came out and he flipped his shit started hating it all.
The man child also had a hissy fit when Grimes started dating Chelsea Manning.
He has like 14 kids and is a total sociopath so ‘losing’ one shouldn’t be a big deal. Russian Tsars had healthier relationships with their kids.
I’m not here to shit on your mastery of language, but:
De jure - by law (from Latin)
Du jour - of the day (from French)
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This is horrendous. Imagine saying “my child is dating someone black, they’re dead to me” or “I didn’t realise her mum was mixed race when I had sex with her so I’m severing contact with my child”. This is outrageous horrible and abusive. I’m genuinely upset about this
It’s even worse than that, it’s:
they’re dead
to meOh god you’re right. It’s scrubbing her off the planet altogether… she may even feel physically threatened by that
