The punchline to this joke is that vaccines work best at scale. Your 80 year old decrepit ass doesn’t have an immune system that can fully benefit from inoculation. What keeps you safe is that everyone around you has been inoculated, too. They act as a buffer, reducing the speed of transition and the variants that can survive in the population, so that you’re never exposed to the virus to begin with.
As soon as you take down that barrier, every town hall meeting and rubber chicken fundraiser means slapping palms with a bunch of anti-vax assholes who are absolutely dripping with contagion. At the height of COVID, Trumpies were dropping like flies. A 2023 study published in JAMA Internal Medicine found that the excess death rate for Republican voters was 15% higher than for Democratic voters in Florida and Ohio between March 2020 and December 2021. This included three different talk radio personalities: Marc Bernier (A long-time host in Daytona Beach, Florida), Dick Farrel (Formerly a fill-in host on Newsmax, he had hosted shows for several Florida stations), and Phil Valentine (A well-known host based in Nashville, Tennessee).
Ah that just made me nostalgic for the Herman Cain Awards. Yes it was fucked up, but it was a soothing kind of fucked up that made me feel like maybe there was some sort of karma or cosmic justice happening.
Def some good schadenfreude in watching the ignorant dumbasses ruining society get the consequences of their own actions. They’ve the COVID victims you don’t have to feel sorry for. It’s the people who they got sick and killed that got my sympathy instead
Low-key was really hoping that having that sort of demographic representation in the COVID deaths would translate to a different electoral outcome.
But no, we crave fascism I guess. That or the election was stolen in 2024 which I wouldn’t even be surprised if that were true given the level of projection Trump and the GOP/MAGAtards regularly engage in.
Low-key was really hoping that having that sort of demographic representation in the COVID deaths would translate to a different electoral outcome.
Demographics is not, in fact, destiny. Partisanship isn’t hereditary.
We have a fascist national media that keeps cranking up the crazy in the general population. No amount of disease fatality will change that.
That or the election was stolen in 2024
If Biden presided over a stolen election, that’s only further evidence of his party’s unwillingness to govern.
his party’s unwillingness to govern.
Hey, at least they kept the federal government from being used politically.
Same as forgetting that vaccines saved us. Now we’re repeating the same shit we pulled 100-years ago. Great Depression, high tariffs, fascism, all coming around again because every human who remembers is dead.
For example, as a child I was fascinated with grandma’s smallpox vaccine scar. Think I missed the cutoff by a year, because smallpox was fucking extinct. She’d also tell me how thankful her generation was for the polio vaccine, how scared she was as a child. She’s dead, and so is everyone else who can tell those first-hand stories. So it goes.
we crave fascism I guess
It’s got electrolytes!
Electrolytes, techbrorights, what’s the difference /s
Right… A bunch of people die, and then we pocket the cash we saved not paying those long-term medical bills. And eventually, we reach herd immunity. Win-win. This is the system working as intended.
As soon as you take down that barrier, every town hall meeting and rubber chicken fundraiser means slapping palms with a bunch of anti-vax assholes who are absolutely dripping with contagion.
LOL, Republicans have been fleeing from their constituents and mostly refusing to hold those sorts of events for years now already.
They don’t give a shit about herd immunity because they literally only ever interact with other elites.
Who serves them their food?
“We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not… fuck with us.”
That situation is stressful and increasingly dangerous for them.
They care about it, a lot, they just can’t notice because it would show them their “victory” they sacrificed their souls for isn’t even a real victory.
See, what I don’t get is that loosening vaccine requirements of the general public means less herd immunity. Elites aren’t entirely immune from diseases. They rely on the rest of the population also not getting sick.
In a way, they’re digging their own grave.
They’re not shoulder-to-shoulder with the rest of us at Costco, or waiting for hours at an overcrowded clinic, or sending their kids to schools packed past capacity. They live in a separate world, where exposure to the mess the rest of us deal with is minimized.
When illness does fall on them, they get top-tier healthcare; faster, smarter, better than anything we’ll ever see. It’s a tiered society, where wealth and influence dictate your caste. They’re not digging graves; they’re building bunkers.
Herman Cain didn’t vaccinate 👀
Same shit with covid. People be like “it was a hoax because most people survived” and I just stare at them with no way of knowing how to explain to these geniuses the most basic shit about hygiene and physical distance and how it affects the spread of a potent new virus.
I have a couple of family members who are nurses. One of them being my MiL. She saw the early cases of corona up close and personal and she was very, very, VERY concerned. One of the first patients was a healthy man in his early 50s who was physically active and all that good shit. His lungs were completely destroyed by Delta. Had to get a transplant to survive. Was disabled for life due to other complications caused by the virus.
Every single person I have met who thinks corona was a hoax or doesn’t take the virus seriously, are ironically also some of the least educated people on the matter. They also think they know better than medical professionals. They didn’t see what this virus was capable of because people like my MiL worked themselves to the bone to save their ungrateful asses.
So when I come across these types in the wild, I just stare at them and think my thoughts about their level of intelligence and move on with my life. Must be nice to be this fucking stupid.
I just looked it up and the global cumulative deaths from COVID is around 7 million people.
“Only” 0.1% of the humans living on earth, died, so it’s not bad, right?
… And I’m very positive the data is confirmed deaths by COVID, so it’s likely a very low figure compared to how many people died from COVID, or died from other things that were complicated by COVID, or died by complications of COVID directly, or died because the hospitals and medical care systems were too overwhelmed by COVID patients to care for them.
I’d estimate that number is probably double if you took all of the associated deaths into account.
It’s very very likely that you know someone or are someone who lost someone to COVID. Yet these uneducated chucklefucks think they know better than PhD doctors, researchers, and scientists, that have been studying this shit their entire fucking lives, have qualifications up the ass, and who have dedicated years of their lives to even understanding what a virus is, nevermind any specific virus’ behavior. A nontrivial number of them have been working the problem longer than some of these fucks have been drawing back oxygen. Yet, they’re not to be believed because reasons.
These kinds of people can get fucked. I hope that they, and their dumbass offspring get a preventable disease and fucking croak, so the world can be less goddamned stupid.
7 million would be 0.1%. but that’s still a lot.
Sorry, my brain isn’t happy about doing math right now; I won’t get into why.
Thank you for the correction. I will update my post now.
Every single person I have met who thinks corona was a hoax or doesn’t take the virus seriously, are ironically also some of the least educated people on the matter.
That isn’t ironic. That’s exactly what I would expect.
It’s ironic in the sense that they consider themselves to be of superior intellect and are very stubborn in that world view. Text probably doesn’t communicate sarcasm super well, but that was what I was aiming for.
Also, I agree with you hehe.
I don’t believe the “good/hard times make soft/strong people” trope is entirely true, but I do feel a modicum of adversity or at least exposure to it is good for people. A lot of people truly don’t understand adversity until they experience it themselves. Once they do, though, some can apply that lesson to all parts of life.
I also experienced some COVID consequences: it killed my lunatic antivaxxer father. Even though we literally watched him die on a ventilator, some relatives were adamant it “had to have been something else”. Certainly it couldn’t have been the novel respiratory virus killing thousands of people! Those people…they won’t learn.
Having no real adversity in your life creates a situation where you never really learn to cope with with it as an adult. However, actual hard times just create generational trauma.
An in-law of mine was admitted to hospital with Covid-like symptoms, tested positive for Covid, died on a ventilator, doctors gave Covid as the cause of death.
Her immediate family remain convinced that it was some unspecified mystery other illness, and that the doctors were paid extra by the government based on how many covid death certificates they issued.
Oh shit, are we related?! I had all the same. I even had one offer to help me sue the hospital.
I’m sorry about your loss. Must have been an emotionally draining experience to put it mildly. :/
I think many of the people who become anti-vaxxers and covid deniers are people who struggle with a feeling of general powerlessness in their lives. Believing in a fantasy where they see the truth and everybody else is blind or stupid can give them a feeling of importance/control.
I don’t think it’s the case for absolutely everyone who belong in that conspiracy group, but those I know personally who fall for this type of shit are people who are not doing great in life already and who are very emotionally vulnerable. I am equally frustrated and sad for them because I see how they cling to their delusions while their personal lives crash around them. Financially, socially, physically. It sucks to witness. Sucks even more to talk to them about anything, really. They will take any conversation and find a way to direct the topic of conversation into their weird conspiracies. I have somewhat learned how to navigate a conversation with them, but man, it is hard sometimes. I can’t help but wonder how terrible it must be to be stuck in a mental prison of your own making. It was supposed to protect them from a reality where something as scary as a mysterious virus could suddenly collapse the world they knew and leave them completely at the mercy of scientists and politicians who are calling the shots for something you barely understand. And instead of the delusion helping you becoming less afraid, it just ends up isolating you from everybody, because nobody gets it like you do, right? They are all just trying to silence you because you are the truth sayer. It must be so fucked to have your own mind betray you and hold you hostage like that. I really hope that especially one person I know, will never start using AI chat bots, but honestly, I fear it is not a matter of if, but when they will get into that shit.
Thank you, but it was not actually a loss but a gain. My father was not a good man. His dying was the best thing he ever did for our family.
I agree completely. I’ve always seen it as people looking for simple answers for a world full of complex problems. It’s also my experience that they tend to not be doing well in at least some domains of life. The worst I’ve experienced, though, are the moderately successful ones. I have a couple of cousins in this category. They see their relative success as confirmation that their worldview is correct. There’s nothing worse for me than dealing with a smug idiot who celebrates their idiocy.
Man, you dad must have messed up for his own kid to feel this way. O.O I hope you have other people in your life that can give you the stability and love your father couldn’t.
I’ll take your word for it when it comes to people woth moderate success. I don’t really know any myself. Knew a guy once who inherited a lot of money and he became very smug too. Also burned through most of it in no time. Mostly on stupid shit he didn’t need. I think I asked him once if he had plans to invest any of it to secure his future and he just ignored me and decided to show the electric eraser he had bought 🤣 at least he wasn’t anti-vax, but he did start babbling about the Jewish question at one point and called me small minded for telling him he was on his way down the far right pipeline.
Having anti-vax family members who are doing well financially must be next level annoying, though.
They also think they know better than medical professionals.
Bingo.
I mean, people have always been this way to some extent…
But I think a combination of institutional skepticism and the ‘I found this on Facebook!’ phenomenon (or TV, or podcasts, anything) lead a ton of the public to think they know better instead of just nodding along to what some dedicated professional say, compared to decades past.
When covid started and seeing news reports of many people dying I was so scared. They had no idea what it was then or any infection vectors. I recall seeing something from Italy and it was horrific. This was maybe early spring late or winter 2020 (maybe I got the country wrong but I don’t think so). Anyone who could have seen that and not understood what that means has no right to an opinion on the impact of viruses or on how a society needs to be run. Mean didn’t NYC have freezer trucks at one point?
Man we have degenerated as a society to let that happen in the world’s strongest military power (mean we can’t all have the propaganda might Russia does). But sure let’s give the person who did the worst a welcome mat to the Presidential position again. Ugh I thought we could have learned better.
I am not American but understand the impacts the orange dictator does in his name (only say it that way cause his brain is no better than potato salad, fuck project 2025 and Miller).
But long but this whole world situation is very frustrating. Like it’s right there for everyone to see but let’s blame neighbors not the people who’ve been in charge.
Edit forgot to add, as scared as I was I made a decision to do the best for my household, when reccomdations came through I followed them as best I could. I wanted to make sure the people I cared about were safe. It’s a shame that many of the people who figured that out are shunned these days.
Yeah, it was Italy. It’s was so fucked to follow that shit in real time.
I’m not American either. Anti-vaxxers and covid-deniers sadly exist outside of America too. 😮💨
There are and it’s so mystifying. I have no idea how someone could experience that in real time and not get it. Mean I sort of get it but it’s one of those things that make my brain want spring out of my head when I do try., like a divide by 0 or segmentation fault.
Oh well not like we are trying to make our planet liveable for the future. Mean I got no kids but I sure want the human race to continue comfortably.If not well maybe it’ll be time for Super Mario Bros the movie timeline, reptiles will take over against b. Oh hey it works, we burned up the oil anyways so that’s why they’re electric (in the movie)
I suspect this kind of willful ignorance is the result of the resistance to taking climate action. For decades now, people have been hearing the argument “Why spend effort or suffer pain trying to avoid a fate that only might be catastrophic?” Now that’s extended to things like disease and even the economy.
I think it’s simpler than that. Covid happened. Some people don’t like being told what to do or to feel powerless against an abstraction, so they start to make “sense” out of a situation that is too hard for them to accept.
There definitely were climate deniers way before covid, but I do think that covid set in motion a trend of contrarianism and apathy that we will have to live woth and gradually overcome for a long time. The fact that our governments and scientists did such a fantastic job at protecting us the world over has allowed these people to live in their fantasy, that covid was a hoax. I have heard all manner of reasons for why they did what they did. Big pharma wanting to get rich, lobbying for that power. Governments wanting to prime us all for fascist regimes and keeping all the power permanently. Forcing us to take the vaccine to control us and poison us. On and on and on the reasons pile on and I know for a fact that if the governments and scientists had done nothing to stop the spread and the death toll being higher than it was, these same people would have found a way to make conspiracies about governments wanting us all to die.
Some vulnerable people cannot handle adversity and will find excuses to deny the reality of their situation because it gives them a false sense of security. And once that ball starts rolling, it’s so easy to branch out to more things.
I don’t think so. It’s more a side effect of the fact that the disaster was successfully prevented that makes it seem like there was no disaster at all to begin with, and that it was all fearmongering.
Like with acid rain, or Y2K.
People worked very hard in the background to prevent bad things from happening, but because they did so, and the effects weren’t outwardly public, it didn’t seem like very much happened at all.
Also, it’s inability to entertain the hypothetical. “What if we didn’t have vaccines?” is literally incompressible to them. There was a Ted talk on it. https://youtu.be/9vpqilhW9uI
It’s fine, they’ll just have twelve kids to have three teenagers. As is tradition.
Idiocracy being created in real time.
Speedrun population collapse to mitigate against increasing global warming?
Well, I know a senior person, retired epidemiologist who is anti covid vaccine because “no vaccine developed so fast can be safe”.
It hard containing my self from telling her that from her time as an epidemiologist to now, technology has changed and that they’ve studied mRNA vaccines for a long time so fighting a particular strain of virus is easier as the whole process has already been successfully tested. However, her family trusts her, she has the credentials and I don’t, so it should be up to another epidemiologist with proper credentials to explain that. Not me.
It’s like an old engineer saying that current structural calculations in buildings can’t be trusted because it used to take months/years of hard work and now they can be done in a fraction of the time with computers.
🤦♂️
Is this one of the actual somewhat correct examples of the “strong times make weak men” meme?
i.e. - the “strong times” being the obliteration of preventable diseases like the measles, polio, etc. and the “weak men” being anti-science / anti-vaxxer types?
There’s more. Lack of war desensitizes to it, lack of starvation makes it seem abstract etc.
Good times create weak men, weak men create bad times.
Alas it’s terrifying how it works irl. Doubly so because people who love that saying would call Trump a strong man xD
Yes. Sadly there is a lot of great truth to the idea behind that phrase, which instead usually just is treated as some cringe bullshit about being muscular and killing people
I don’t think the existence of vaccines makes people anti-science, though. There’s a lot more going on there.
yeah, the antivaxx sentiment was always there but it got worse due to the eugenics wave that sweeps the world whenever a global pandemic happens
It’s not a vaccine problem, it’s an education problem. A large portion of Americans are exceptionally gullible to propaganda and Republicans have weaponized it very well. The anti-vax narrative is not present in large portions of the population in other developed nations. We need to look within, not at the solution to disease.
Edit: Unfortunately others are informing me that this is a problem in other countries as well, which is sad. My partners family is from a country in Europe that doesn’t appear to have this issue at scale so I foolishly extrapolated.
I dont know, large portions of other nations are just as gullible and susceptible to propaganda. I mean no one is immune to it, but a lot of the developed nations do believe immigrants and not the rich are causing all their problems, because that’s what the media has told them.
Anti-intellectualism is global.
In the US it is ridiculously blatant because so much of our media thinks subtext is for The Gays. But think about how often the villain is an Evil Scientist or even just A Teacher Who Has It Out For The Protagonist? What began as an active effort has mostly just become the cultural zeitgeist where “people with advanced degrees have no common sense or street smarts” and “too much knowledge turns you into a monster” (see also: The Frankenstein Complex).
Hell, for something more blatant: Go look at the various threads about the US changing its COVID vaccination guidelines. Plenty of Europeans will pop in and say “Yeah. That lines up with what we have. You don’t need a booster every year if you are healthy”. I’ll leave it to the experts as to what defines “need” but… as someone who has somehow managed to catch COVID three or four times, I want those boosters in my muscles because it is the difference between a weekend of “I feel kinda shitty and have a headache in the center of my eyes and… fuck” versus being curled up in a bed coughing and hoping I lose consciousness for a few hours.
I promise you, anti-vax sentiments are alive and well in many countries. I’m from the UK, the birth place of Andrew Wakefield and in some areas, rates of uptake of the MMR vaccine is as low as 60% and the National average for England currently sits at 88%, down from 93% 10 years ago.
Let’s not forget anti autism bigotry here, that’s how it all got started
Well, not quite. It got started from genuine concern among actual parents who love and care for their children who were unfortunately manipulated by bad actors using incorrect and fabricated evidence to make money out of them.
It’s not an education problem. Education isn’t happening because idiots decided it was their enemy, so their entire life is “attack this thing”.
Until they see that doesn’t help them, they’ll continue making that same mistake. They’d learn just fine if they decided to do it instead of fight it.
But like, this is not new. It’s been there throughout human history. That’s why some religions incorporated important life lessons in them (don’t touch feces, don’t fuck your cousins, etc.). Because it’s education via religion.
You don’t miss the water until the well runs dry.
Nah that’s an education problem
No, it’s a willful denial of reality problem. How they work, why they’re needed are basic things taught in almost every school in the states. Students intentionally ignore it.
if only we had a longstanding social practice and institution specifically designed for corroborating people having different views of reality… a place where people could learn about everything that’s already been argued about so they don’t waste time on things we’ve either already considered or decided aren’t worth considering… perhaps we’d call it learnification…
nah i jest. i appreciate you bringing up the fact that the issue now is not necessarily an education issue as people classically think of it. people aren’t stupid. we’ve lost our agreed upon meanings for what the signs and symbols we share are.
the problem is that we need to rebuild reason itself to function again in the modern world. with all that said, this becomes an education problem when you attempt to apply any of it in practice.
you see hoards of people decrying tools like ChatGPT for ruining education and rotting kids’ brains, when really all they’ve done is shone a bright spotlight on exactly how worthless what most of the standard Western curricula have developed into is. the weird focus on memorization, essay writing, and other such skills and the neglect of more important skills like teaching actual rationalism, along with logic and reasoning abilities is what has caused this boiling frog of a situation to come to pass. the students complained for decades that the quality of their education was slipping and nobody listened. kids complained they “hated” or didn’t understand math for decades, and again nobody fucking listened. now we’re here and it’s somehow their fault again for merely doing what anyone does and following the path of least resistance. if you design a course and you can easily pass it by use of an LLM, it wasn’t fucking testing anything of value in the first place. LLMs cannot think the way we can. AI can either be this scary, capable boogeyman capable of undermining all of established pedagogy or not but it can’t be both at the same time like universities have been fearmongering lately. if current AI technologies are not capable agents yet (they’re not), but they still present a threat to teachers and professors… then that is 101% a fault of the course design and the professors responsible for it. why should students be held accountable for anything here when they’re the ones forking over years of capital only to get presented with an “education” that can be easily aced by a fucking bot?
when will those who actually pull the levers of power here be held responsible? how many people need to have their careers needlessly ruined due to byzantine policies in academia before enough is enough?? it’s all just fucking smoke and mirrors, none of it is real anymore. maybe it never was…
people will act like you’re being a petulant child if you even bring this up in virtually any context but i think it’s time we start seriously discussing how traditional academia can either be reformed or retired for something that actually works for the modern individual.
Thankfully people have been working on it for some time now
https://annas-archive.org/md5/4ecde1081b42af0cecfda7465e2b29b3
https://annas-archive.org/md5/f9079f12ab35921b7b194de222261afc
I don’t disagree that traditional academia should be reformed, but wanted to nitpick the assertion that assignments shouldn’t be easily completed by LLMs to be of value. Isn’t that analogous to the “I can just do this on a calculator” argument? Learning those tasks from first principles and going through the mechanics of it has value in education (albeit this can be overdone).
Certainly, it has value and a place at the table. I’m not trying to make an argument based in
the “I can just do this on a calculator” argument
this sort of position, necessarily. Learning to derive things from first principles is the most valuable thing you can do. I’m calling into question that current pedagogical practice is the best way to instill that skill in individuals, for sure, though.
Further, the “I can just do this on a calculator” people have something of a point, even if it isn’t the one they’re intentionally making. Math courses and math exams look wildly different before and after cheap handheld calculators became commonplace. It’s not that we teach a largely different body of knowledge and more that we adapt how we show it to students so that it is useful to them. If you live in a world where compute is so cheap that you literally can carry a calculator around all day then learning to do long division by hand… isn’t really important actually. There’s a separation between the actual knowledge of the world and the application of it in practice. It’s always important you know how division works… it’s not so much always important that you get good at doing it by hand… and in the future it will not be so important that you be able to use a traditional calculator to do arithmetic, either - there will be something new or something else that we use. It will still be important you understand what arithmetic is though. In a world, this contemporary one we’re in, where you will be doing most of your non-computerized computation using a calculator, it actually is more important to be able to use a calculator sufficiently than it is to be able to do it on paper, by hand. Those skills are unrelated to the actual cognitive faculties required to meaningfully engage in reason. Or, at least, they aren’t directly correlated.
You said part of it yourself friend, “in almost every school”, sounds like an education problem. If more people had access to a program of education focused on modern science this problem may not exist. I’m not certain because we just know until we live it and study it.
Almost every school because there’s outlier private schools. When 90%+ of schools are teaching it and 50% aren’t learning it, the students and parents are the larger portion of the issue, not the schools.
To be fair practically everything boils down to an education problem.
Real
Well, yes, but if you see people die in front of you, that’s another form of “education”.
Yes, but also no.
You can’t educate people who won’t listen, believe the information you give them, or learn.
Willful ignorance is extremely common. I work in tech and I have persistent memories of people refusing to learn the most basic shit to help themselves, or change their behavior because “their way” doesn’t work anymore, then insist I find a workaround so they can continue to do it whatever backwards way they’ve been doing it.
I once asked a user to open a folder on a shared drive on a server and I shit you not, they opened fucking word, went to open and browsed from there to the server.
That’s the only way that they knew to get to the fucking files.
People are fucking stupid, won’t learn, refuse to be taught, and want to remain as uneducated as they possibly can, knowing just enough to continue being employed.
Well, education in terms of exposure. “Practical education” to understand the threats and consequences. Just saying “ya gonna die” is too abstract.
You can go to northern Nigeria right now and see people, especially kids, with shriveled legs who got polio because 20 years ago when a conspiracy theory pushed that George W Bush hated Muslims and poisoned the polio vaccinations. Families hid their children when vaccination teams came around. Turns out the polio was the poison all along!
And this is what these people want BACK. Because no one showed them these pictures and said “you will curse your children to be treated like creatures if they even survive.”
Crazy how not being pro-deseases is now a political stance
Nurgle cultists irl
Fucking poxwalker, purge the unclean!
The umbrella roof is so tight people start to forget it’s raining.
They are not that effective on their own, but 95% herd immunity is enough to make any pandemics unviable, and the very few people that still manage to catch the disease can be isolated and treated. In other words, vaccinating 90% of a population will result in way less than 10% of the original infections/casualties.
So weird to think there’s such a thing as “too comfortable.” Excessive privilege is really something.
Good times create dumb people?
What I don’t get is that people will chose the terrible effects of the disease over the chance of having side effects from the vaccine when they’re orders of magnitude different levels of effect.
The “side effect” (autism) they are terrified of, isn’t actually a potential side effect of vaccines, no matter how much they want it to be.
Yeah:
- Autism isn’t caused by vaccines
- Autism Isn’t a punishment
I’d rather be a person with autism than whatever they’ve got going.
That’s what I’ve been saying. Vaccines are too effective for our own good. Smallpox alone is estimated to have killed 250-500 million during the 1900’s. But a generation or two passes without that personal experience and the danger is not treated with the care it deserves.
See also: Fascism and World Wars
See also: Great Depression, ruinous tariffs.
We should really make anti-vaxers walk through a cemetery with deaths from the last 50-100 years vs one from the last 100-200 years and note the differences in dead children/infants.
“How do I know there are really dead people buried here and not just a buncha headstones?”
“How do I know the cause of death isn’t another libtard lie?”
We can just keep drawing it out until:
“How do I know what I’m seeing and feeling is real or not?”
“How do I know that reality isn’t another libtard lie?”
