Google confirms Gmail is “here to stay” amid speculation over plans to scrap the email service::Claims that Google plans to sunset Gmail were a hoax, so there’s no need to panic
Gmail is the gateway to their entire product portfolio; no way they’d kill it.
All it takes is one MBA with little foresight in the wrong position - the Gmail team is all expense (server hosting, labor), and no revenue; that’s the “Ads” and “Drive/One/Business” teams.
The MBA. The only graduate degree you can get by attending class 3 days a month.
How some of these MBA programs can be considered a “masters” degree is an insult to people who actually had to spend years on 40-70hour a week graduate programs.
The program cost for the executive MBA class entering in July 2023 was $205,897, which includes tuition, required electronic textbooks, hotel accommodations during immersion weeks and core course sessions in terms 1-3, administrative fees, and most meals during residence periods.
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They are just straight up purchasing a degree at this price point.
Pretty much. There are cheaper alternative, but there are lots of ways to get a “masters” while still being able to hold down a 9 to 5.
No fucking way I could work while doing my masters in interaction design. Only way to way to do that was to take out a student loan because the program required even more commitment than full time undergraduate course work.
Remember. There is no such thing as free. They’re data mining the hell out of your email. You can rest assured that gmail is a revenue generator. Just in ways you don’t see.
This is the answer. Kinda surprised this is buried three comments deep TBH. The emails you receive and how you interact with them is a far better source for profiling than browser history.
You are awfully confident about a company that kills things like a Russian dictator. I think what perhaps you mean is there’s no way they’d kill it now. If they wanted to push users to some different type of platform they would certainly entertain the idea.
Google has been looking for the thing to kill email for a looooooooong time though.
Howeeeeverrrr…
Google getting rid of gmail would have to be hands down one of the biggest internet shakeups since its inception. Gmail has been the de facto free email service for almost two decades now. They have like a 53% market share of emails in the U.S.
Also the shitstorm it would cause, when you can’t access an account that you used Gmail to sign up.
Maybe it would finally force the surprising number of websites out there that don’t allow for email changes to change their policies. I recently switched every account I could to a personal domain and I couldn’t believe how many just don’t allow for it.
It’s a weird problem actually. There are valid reasons for blacklisting and whitelisting free email providers.
Some sites only allow registrations from private domains. They blacklist all the free email providers, which makes sure that mostly businesses, academics, etc. are signing up for their services, rather than randos who may have little to no value as a user.
However, some sites see the randos as the only valuable users, and sometimes see private domains as a threat since a bad actor could use one to spawn an infinite number of valid email addresses for registering accounts. Free providers make it much harder to create a new address, so they whitelist them.
That isn’t the problem I have though, the issue was how many websites don’t let you change you email address full stop. Never had one reject my custom domain (but some shitty ones do reject email aliases)
It’s likely because they use it as the primary/unique identifier for the account, which is just dumb. It’s like they’ve never heard of a UUID/GUID before.
I’m glad I got my own website years ago…it’s literally just a function email server for me…no bullshit spam and I can have separate emails for stuff that I don’t need to monitor.
OIDC is the future of this, logins tied to an account rather than a service.
Killing Gmail would be like killing search or youtube, they would NOT dare.
Yeah, I’d drop Fi, Pixle, and use of Google in a second. Gmail is the backbone of everything Google is. Had it since day 1 and will have it until it disappears, and then I will disappear into the woods forever.
I don’t know if it’s still there but a couple years ago poking around in gmail settings I was able to find that there was still a section for inviting new users to the gmail beta. I had 97/100 invites remaining. Been like that for almost 20 years now which is crazy.
Ha, wish I could find that. I remember inviting people left and right at first, felt like opening a new world. Chain mails that you scrolled we’re still a thing, so email needed an upgrade from the hotmails and yahoos.
And they were giving you something like 1gb of space for free. At the time unwashed working for a big international company and employees quota for emails was something like 50mb!
I wish there were still players like Google was 20 years ago instead these days all we get ate short videos and same day delivery (oh and llms that create funny images with weird fingers)
Oh well, it doesn’t feel like Google Search is going that well. Searching on Google now feels like shit.
Ain’t nobody killing off the golden goose!
It’s funny that most comments here are debating this seriously when the article (that apparently nobody bothered to read) clearly says it was a hoax.
Doesn’t matter. It’s in the aether now that “Google promised Gmail won’t go anywhere,” so it will definitely be eliminated. People believing a Google product won’t be discontinued is the Google product kiss of death.
Fully agree. I find it surprising that Google’s public image deteriorated to a point where just mentioning rumors of them shutting down a service gets people upset with them.
I mean… I don’t expect them to scrap GMail, but their reassurance means nothing. IIRC they said the same thing about Stadia.
They make too much money from data harvesting to scrap Gmail, though.
Stadia was destined to fail though. I still remember the key note in which it was introduced. The CEO started with the lines "I don’t play many games, but … ".
The fact that the question is significant enough to deserve an answer means somebody somewhere got wind of something real.
It probably doesn’t mean a full cancellation of gmail but I wouldn’t be surprised to hear they’re trying something like Wave again.
Here’s a wild idea - you can read the article and diacover that the whole thing was a hoax.
Nah, wildly jumping to conclusions makes for more fun
Gmail is untouchable. That more than any other product has kept me tethered to Google since 2004. That being said I wouldn’t be surprised if some greedy, future regime at Google botches it up.
I already moved over to Proton in anticipation of Google charging for Gmail. It’s untouchable as far as longevity, but it’s going to be majorly enshittifiedto the point that leaving it will be more desirable than staying.
I am in the process of moving to Proton now. It’s way easier than I though it was going to be!
May I ask what steps you followed to make the transition smooth? I’ve been meaning to use proton + simplelogin, but I’m concerned it’ll quickly become a time sink to transition from one service to the other.
1: Register a new Proton account
2: Set up email forwarding from Gmail to Proton
3: Add a filter that labels all Mail incoming to Gmail with a Gmail label.
4: Whenever you feel like it, go to some of your Gmail labeled mail and change the registered mail to Proton etc.
I’d still recommend buying your own domain though, it took me less than 15 mins switching completely from Skiff to Proton, and I didn’t have to reregister anything. Only when you have a costum domain you’re truly serviceprovider-independent.
I second the custom domain part.
It’s easy to setup and it doesn’t lock you to any single provider, in case you want to change in the future
The biggest thing holding me to Google is Gmail and photos.
They scrap Gmail and I’m literally out. No more Google accounts, except to use an android.
Google offers very little value to the consumer these days
I bought a domain and started using it for all my email last year. It’s the best and I suggest it to everyone.
The combination of your own domain, Fastmail, and Bitwarden is powerful.
You can move email services by changing a few DNS records and Fastmail has an API that Bitwarden hits to create new masked email addresses using your domain so every site gets a different email address. Start getting spam? You know exactly who leaked/sold your info and you can now send that address right to the trash.
Is google photos free?
It’s free if you stay within the data limit. For anyone interested in self-hosting, immich is getting pretty mature these days.
Keep in mind the maintainers themselves advise that they make changes often and this should not be the only place you keep your photos.
I just started using it and the facial recognition feature works very well.
I’ve become obsessed with S3 compliant storage lately so I was going to suggest Wasabi, B2, or Storj as a replacement for Google storage.
Some services only accept whitelisted domains for accounts sadly.
I’ve been using a personal domain for over 20 years. I’ve never had a service reject my email domain.
I haven’t seen any issues with sending to google or Microsoft services.
I think I’ve heard of some admins blocking some of the newer ones like .xyz but they were getting lots of spam from those and knew they wouldn’t be getting business mail from there. Though I don’t know how much longer that will be true.
lol considering Google’s parent company address is abc.xyz…
You don’t need a Google account to use Android.
Next week: “Google scrapping gmail.”
I doubt it. It’s free data, they ain’t getting rid of that.
It’s not free though. Running an email service is not cheap.
Trust me they make way more money by running the service then it costs to run especially considering that everything is now in house. They own their own servers.
It’s absolutely not free like you said though.
It’s free for you. I have absolutely no idea what point you’re trying to make.
exactly my thought.
“They are saying its here to stay, which means people should get their data off it asap”
100%
One thing that’s very clear to me is that when a tech company says something is “here to stay,” it doesn’t actually mean it’s here to stay.
Any of these large business coming out to explicitly say “this will not happen” is concerning.
Especially Google who is famous for randomly getting bored of developing and then suddenly cancelling services
I mean this would be insane. Gmail is probably the most used email service in the world, and even though I’m not a Google fanboy, it’s also probably the best.
What are people gonna use? Outlook? Fuck that. I only use that piece of trash because of my job.
Yeah a random website on a DDG search (ironically) that I just did said that Gmail has 30% of the email marketshare, which I’d definitely believe. It would be a HUGE shakeup and very disruptive if they were to stop it.
Same but with education. Fuck the dept. Ed. Qld
LOL they truly suck
gmail has a fine website but email is a commodity service, hundreds of replacements exist and could be used.
Exactly, it’s like if a company said “We’re not going to launch a bomb, trust us”… It would totally mean that they’re considering launching a bomb
I mean, unless there was a hoax that led to widespread belief that they were gonna launch a bomb
Its suspicious if its out of nowhere, but less so if its in response to an existing rumour
The risk there for a company is: I had heard nothing about this rumor until they started denying it, and Im far from alone
This is in direct response to a misleading viral social media post that claims that Gmail is going to be discontinued, which selectively quotes from a real announcement that Gmail is discontinuing the “basic HTML” browser interface for the service, now that pretty much every device has good performance on the regular browser interface.
Why would they voluntarily lose access to all my personal information?
They have enough to train an AI version of you and already predict your actions. Tracking real you is just boring now.
For the time being the compute required to simulate me is more expensive than tracking the real me.
Google+Nvidia : “we will fix that soon enough meat bag”
With the terms of service for their “anti spam” and “productivity auto-sorting” features, they must gather SO much data about people by reading their emails - there’s no way they’d turn that off lol
Ugh, I’ve gotta switch from Gmail, any good email recommendations?
Proton mail is the peak email service money can buy (it’s also avilable for free but i suggest paying)
Thank you for this recommendation, I’ll look into switching. It’s a slow process of moving towards less convenient but more private services but your comment has moved the needle for me at least.
It takes a little bit of effort but it’s a great time to do the following:
- get a password manager if you don’t have one already. I like 1password
- get an alias service. Proton bought simplelogin so it’s integrated, there’s also anonaddy
- gradually work through updating your online accounts from your old gmail to new aliases for each account (eg ebay@alias.domain.com) and set a complex password through your password manager that’s unique for each account
In a couple months you’ll eventually stop receiving emails to your gmail as you work through the accounts you use, and most incoming mail will all be through aliases. Then if you get spammed, you know what site leaked your email + you can turn off the alias and not get spam.
Wait wait! You’re saying proton lets you use aliases? As many as I’d like?
I guess Gmail does too, if you do the ole youremail+ebay@gmail.com. But not all websites allow the +
Less convenient
What are you talking about ? If anything proton is more convenient.
I think part of convenience is name brand recognition. I don’t know how you took a heartfelt compliment and made it hostile, but the reality is I grew up knowing what Google was and using it as a verb. Gmail was an obvious and convenient tool to pickup.
I just found out about Protonmail, or at least heard of it for the first time that it broke the barrier of not-caring into carrying. I imagine user numbers reflect that pretty readily.
That’s all I’m saying. I’m not saying Protonmail is worse in anyway, please don’t assume I am. It’s okay to like a product and admit it’s flaws, in this case the only flaw I’m suggesting it has is being less known than Gmail and even then only for me and my small corner of the world.
Bruh i thought you were thinking proton mail maybe inconveniant to use that’s why i corrected you . Sorry if i sounded hostile the problem is whenever people think of privacy they think like its for the paranoid ones and must be tough. I just wanted to clear it up for you.
If you work for Proton then username checks out haha. Real talk I’ve been on the unlimited for a bit and it’s dope.
Fastmail is fantastic.
I love their app… it’s replaced the default iOS app for me it’s so good.
Yeah it’s amazing. You have to pay, but at least you’re not the product 👏
Agreed, it’s so good.
It feels like everyone hates Apple, but their hide my email service is bundled into their family plan, and it’s real nice just being able to give every site an email address you can then just delete if they spam you.
No one knows who I really am, and I’m good with that.I guess my recommendation is to find a service that lets you make throwaway emails.
And I think Proton does that. Mozilla has a service for that, but their new CEO has thrown some question marks into that mix. There are definitely others.duckduckgo does that with @duck.com email addresses too, I’ve liked using them so far
Get your own website and you too can have infinitely emails
disroot
I dunno Google has a cancelation tick so like i wouldn’t be that surprised
I would imagine Gmail is the primary reason people create an account with Google.
Yeah that and youtube I’d think
No way will they cancel gmail. Google is using Gmail to train Gemini and power their Ad business. It might be a free email service in terms of not having a monetary cost, but you are paying for it with your data.
I’m starting to worry Lemmy users read the article at a lower rate than redditors.
Why does anyone think Google would shut down Gmail? You’d have to be stupid to think that they would shut down the most used email service on earth, one that is deeply integrated into Google as an ecosystem.
Google does have a reputation for unnecessary and/or prematurely killing everything it makes so I wouldn’t blame people for believing an email that looked like it was from Google saying that Gmail is shutting down in August
They shut down services that aren’t profitable. Gmail is highly profitable as it’s an important lever to identify people’s interests, which they use to sell ads at a higher price. They’d have to be stupid to shut it down.
It’d almost definitely kill Google if they were to kill Gmail. Gmail, YouTube, and Android are pretty much what brings people to use Google services in the first place. I was just referencing the people that panicked when they saw the fake email going around that looked like it was from Google themselves about sunsetting Gmail. Google’s reputation didn’t help quell the panic which is why they had to come out to the public saying they won’t shut down Gmail
Well spoken, I mostly agree. Although I wouldn’t go so far and say that shutting down Gmail would kill Google - their search is still pretty popular, too. Their horizontal integration in systems does play a huge role in the search‘s popularity though.
Google shuts down projects so regularly that I just wouldn’t adopt anything new they make because it’s not going to be around in 5 years. The core products: search, email, youtube, chrome, android, are decades old now and I wonder if the company can survive shutting down any of them.
I got bit in the ass by Google when I decided to try using their domain service and they decided to nuke it and sell it to Squarespace. Google domains was so good too. I jumped ship to Porkbun before my domains were completely locked into Squarespace so I managed to get out before it was too late thankfully
Because there’s a viral post going around that they are. They’re just squashing this dumb rumor, because despite how dumb it is, it did get some traction.
Next week: Fires 60% of the gmail staff
The week after: Google introduces AI Mail that will receive and automatically respond to all mail. This will happen without the users’ consent or knowledge. In fact, users won’t be able to access their mail anymore at all “for security reasons”.
Charge you 1/10th of a cent for each automatically generated email
