This guy REALLY be testing me on wanting to reducate rather than redact people.
When the time comes, you’ll realize that there are hundreds of millions of these monsters who have completely divorced themselves from their humanity and become irredeemable.
The mask is very much still on for most people, but this sort of gleeful evil is the mainstream opinion in Israel just as it is in the US.
There are a hundred million Americans reading the news, following ICE raids, and excitedly feeling the very same sick sense of glee that Ben-Gvir feels when he posts things like this. Yes, every single Republican voter is this ghoulish and the moment the tides start to turn in our favour, even your grandma will prove herself to be this exact type of fascist.
Re-education does not work on these people and every revolutionary society, every people’s front has found that to be the case. Fascism is an incurable mental condition that its sufferers can only ever double down on.
Noooo trust me we can totally rehabilitate and reform Hitler Epstein McGenocide it’s totally responsible for leftists to let nazis off with no consequences!!!
The scary part is that 1 in 3 Americans sincerely believes that Hitler Epstein McGenocide is too far left.
This is radicalizing behavior, but don’t let yourself be radicalized towards dehumanization. Not that I disagree that some people are past point of any “re-education” or that redeeming people who have committed these crimes against humanity should be a goal in itself but a similar sort of thought process as the one you use here has lead these people down this cerebral cul-de-sac, particularly ascribing to it a psychiatric and clinical label.
I do not think we need to start doming people because they’re ontologically evil or somehow diseased. A mental condition is a more permanent property than a person’s current mental state, it is not the same thing as a mental health condition. It’s a philosophical label, not a psychiatric one.
I just think you’re going to be very, very surprised how many tens or hundreds of millions of people will choose to refuse education or redemption at every single turn. You’ll be surprised by how many of them, young and old, will become neo-fascist terrorists.
Don’t dogmatically follow the beliefs of past leftist movements, but learn from them. Not just their victories. Both the mistakes and the unfortunate realities also hold critical lessons for us.
“When the Sandinistas came to power 10 years ago filled with ideals and hopes for their nation and their people, they discovered a very awful thing, and it wasn’t about themselves even though they had to do it to themselves, it was about that capitalist encirclement. They discovered that they needed a secret police, they discovered that they needed a security police. Because all around them coming in from two borders and within their own society were acts of sabotage, espionage, attack, mercenary invasion and alike, and they understood that if the revolution was gonna survive they were going to have to build up instruments of state power, instruments of coercion even.” -Michael Parenti
This guy REALLY be testing me on wanting to reducate rather than redact people.
I’ve been past the point of no return on this question for decades at this point. I am beyond jaded. I want them all dead. Growing up in a nation fucked up by US imperialism and war will do that to some of us.
It’s absurd to me that people on the left can look at this behavior, look at how much power these fuckers wield while (the left) having no power themselves, and having the gall to say something like “we must re-educate and rehabilitate these people. We’re gonna rehabilitate them soooo hard!”
Nah. Just put a bullet in their head, or hang them from a tree. Less wasteful that way.
I think this is a specific form of imperial core naivete.
Most people on this site are so vastly out of touch with the reality of what others are like. Lots of our posters are from deeply blue US cities, and I think that really skews what they think conservatives are like because they’re only seeing the conservatives of suburban Chicago. An average Nebraskan moderate would blow their minds. The only people here I see with an accurate read on how completely demonic the average American is have spent a significant amount of time living in deeply red, rural areas.
I also think masc-presenting white guy types hear the horrible shit other white people and particularly white men say to other white people, and they assume that’s actually the extent of it. They see how white men self-censor in mixed company and they completely fail to consider that when there aren’t any other white guys to self-censor in front of, the things they say and think about women and minorities become a thousand times more reactionary than even the awful shit they’ll say to other guys.
Western Leftists want to believe they’re better than the bad guys and can walk the high road, but all of that comes from being in a relatively comfortable position within the imperial core, where they are insulated from the worst of imperialism and class war. They hate the idea of having to kill family members and coworkers, so they will invent this idea that the fascists they hold affection for are redeemable individuals, no matter how many times they’re told to their faces by those very fascists that they will never, ever change their minds and how they’d fight to their death and kill dozens of innocents to prevent any one of the left’s goals from being achieved in any way.
I grew up in such a rural right wing place that I had a class of 34. My dad was a fox news fuck face and I’ve heard the stuff you are talking about. But I have also seen a range of people who think they are conservative have a variety of views and can be pushed one way or another. I mean this is basic Marxist theory. Not everyone who is a Republican is sitting around twirling a mustache thinking about how they want to do the things Israel is doing with dogs in these concentration camps.
That isn’t to say we spend time sifting through them like we were the Christian god. We focus on overthrowing the ruling class and fixing things and people will make the choice for us a lot of time.
Even Mao talks about at a certain point one should be careful about the heads that one cuts off cause they won’t grow back. And he very much was about killing the bastards.
I’ve seen you post around before and I could be wrong but you normally seem more level headed then this. I feel like something has happened and you are having a real rough time of it. I apologize if I’m jumping to conclusions but I legitimately hope things are okay and if they are not they get better.
people will make the choice for us a lot of time
I totally agree with you on this, and I don’t think we need to start identifying reactionaries or indiscriminately pacifying them right now. I just think it’s naïve to assume that there’s only gonna be like a couple of hundred people that make the bad choice instead of tens of millions of them.
Like, Israel has 10 million ideologically committed fascists demanding a faster genocide and fewer than half a million of their citizens in opposition, of whom more than half have already left the country. I think many people a decade or so ago would have assumed Israel to be a much more even split than 20:1.
I think it would be foolish to make the same sort of assumptions about the Imperial core. Everyone in this discussion wants to assume that the ideologically committed fascists in the US are this tiny fringe minority, but I think they’re going to be amazed by the number of self described liberal progressives who will go full fash, in addition to the chuds.
This is true
Even Mao talks about at a certain point one should be careful about the heads that one cuts off cause they won’t grow back. And he very much was about killing the bastards.
One of the big groups that this has historically been about is the educated. Usually ones that worked within the former monarchy or managing empire.
I don’t really think this applies as much anymore, since basically every worker has an education. General administration work is not as centralized in the hands of a few professionals, and is instead dispersed across large groups of the working class using tools that are pretty readily available to everyone.
I graduated with a class where I was one of a handful of people who could read. Most of them did not go to college. No child left behind has had some disastrous consequences. That’s not even counting for the amount of people who have no idea what is happening around them for a large variety of reasons.
All of that to say, while it is understandable to think people should be more educated them back then, it just isn’t true. At least not in anyway that matters. People may know that the mitochondria is the power house of the cell, but they don’t know shit how the government works, finances, history, etc. (And the power house of the cell is grossly over estimated) and then some education is downright lies.
That’s the reason that a lot of tsarist scholars ended up being included in the Soviet apparatchik. They knew how the existing systems worked. These are really the only “heads that don’t grow back” that matter. The input of royals and propagandists aren’t critical to power transition, but the input of the 6 guys who designed the power grid is.
The average yankee literally doesn’t live in deeply red, rural areas. The US is split 80/20 between urban and rual.
I’m fully on board with a more permanent solution to the reactionary settler problem, but I just don’t think it should be conceived of as the average. These people are, ultimately, a relatively small portion of the US population as a whole.
The ruralites have already dropped the mask, the urbanites have not done so yet.
The average American does not live in a rural area, but they do hold incredibly reactionary beliefs.
Why would they mask if a majority of people agree with them? Masking is a response to being outnumbered, which means the masking is actually proof of my point. That’s why Trump has never won a majority of votes! Even this most recent election he only won a plurality. The reactionary settler cohort are simply not a majority of the US anymore.
Urban reactionaries are currently locally outnumbered on many issues, at least ostensibly.
Speaking of outnumbered, Americans on average are totally in favor of trans rights and have no reactionary beliefs on trans people, right? That’s why the DNC is completely reversing on this and most liberals seem to be in agreement with that decision. You haven’t been surprised to watch whiplash in the public-opinion-meter over the last few years on that one. Why do you think it’s impossible that other reactionary beliefs pervade every part of American society?
Wouldn’t cities be more representative of the average American than rural areas, since most Americans live in cities?
Would the state of masking be more representative of the average Autistic person’s true beliefs and feelings than a non-masking state, since most Autistic people are currently masking in public?
Your urban conservatives believe the same evil shit as our rural ones, they’re just mask-on. Ours will tell you their real thoughts instead of pretending. Look how quickly liberals are dropping the mask about Trans people. You’re gonna be amazed how fast people you thought were fairweather allies are going to join Atomwaffen.
re-education is for fashy grandmas and grandpas who never committed any crimes or held any power but just had a reactionary worldview. I don’t think anyone enacting any of these massive crimes against humanity deserves a second chance.
Re-education is like…for the petty bourgeoisie, reactionary members of the working class and lumpenproles, not for high level members of government, corporate higher ups, etc. Those people get shot. Cause you will get counter revolutioned super fast otherwise. Also they deserve it, which i generally dont consider a good enough reason to kill someone until a certain threshold is met. I cant think of anyone who would meet the qualifications of deserving it who also wouldnt land on the just necessary to kill strategically anyway, so it doesnt really matter. Ben does cross that threshold tho.
Re-education is for like…small business chuds, low power people who A) it could work on and B) haven’t committed crimes against humanity. Those in power get the pit, their is no repaying society for their crimes and you really dont want them skulking around and being potentially destabilizing. This guy should be tried in an international court and hanged for crimes against humanity under the rules as they currently stand anyway.
How sheltered are these people that they think anyone in the world would think this is normal? Israel is genuinely the best example of what happens when an entire country is just one giant echo chamber.
This isn’t just evil, this is like just being stupid too; and of course this won’t get the circulation on reddit that it should.
Ben Gvir is guilty of genocide and for that we can have little a death penalty, as a treat.
I think reeducation is morally preferable but it’s a question of power and resources. Once the revolution is won and the forces of reaction are absolutely crushed and defeated, sure, any remaining confusion can be dealt with by reeducation.
Libs criticize Che, because he shot a traitor “in cold blood”. What are you gonna do if you’re a guerilla on the run in the jungle? There’s no prison or social worker or anything. If you let him go, he’ll tell your position to the CIA death squads, sentencing you all to death. If you tie him up, he’ll just die of thirst. Is there any more humane option?
That’s standard procedure in a war. This guy would also be put to death by an international court if the UN followed its own rules as things currently stand anyway. You arent gonna be able to successful re educate everybody and a good few shouldnt even be granted the effort, if you succeed in a revolution, you dont leave potential threats alive. Not worth the risk.
I wish there was more de-humanizing language I can use to describe israelis. I’ve run out.
I get you, but venting in that way is easily misconstrued. Stick to objective descriptions, just call it a US puppet genocidal fascist apartheid entity and be done with it.
Just because of who I am, I don’t normally celebrate death. But I will legitimately cook a celebration freast when this fucker dies. Hopefully violently at the hands of the resistance.
Hopefully he doesn’t become supreme emperor of the earth and obtain cybernetics to achieve immortality instead, because that seems like the most likely outcome at this point.
Give him a used neuralink from the ape trials and hit the seizure button like it owes you money
the tweet is from today, btw: https://x.com/itamarbengvir/status/2114380495421075703
Jesus Christ teaches us that no one is irredeemable.
Whilst I agree, my economics background teaches me that some people are unviable to redeem by cost and/or timeline.
So I don’t care what Jesus has to say, bring out the trash compactor.
What happens to this demon should be the decision of the Palestinian people alone.
But… If the Palestinians decide to put a bullet in his head, it is going to fill my heart with joy.
oh he’s decided that for himself.
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