I wish we could say the same about Israelis.
Not all Israelis support netanyahu or the death/colonisation. Even if maybe the majority do.
Too many do, unfortunately.
The jewish population in israel is in a better position to effect change than the loudest voices anywhere else
And most of them happily endorse the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestine. We need to oust the Israelis as the fascists they are and make it clear that they do no speak for Jews in general and their fascist ideology is in direct contradiction to the values of Judaism. I am most worried for and most impressed by the few Jews in Israel that fight this fascist regime and get attacked and in return by it, while the West proclaims to stand for the fight against antisemitism by supporting the abuse of Jews who stand up for Jewish values.
We can oppose genocide without anti semetic bullshit.
Read from Israeli activists like Ilan Papé describe the Israeli society as a fascist supremacist society. they don’t care about the right of Palestinians to live freely on their land.
I’m not arguing that what you’re saying isn’t true, but what does it have to do with OP’s post?
Participating in the Israeli conquest and ethnic purge absolutely deserves hatred and disgust.
This goes well beyond the Israeli’s right most partisan faction and extends to the entire Zionist movement.
Look, taking OP’s context into account, it sounds like you’re saying that you hold ethnic hatred and disgust for Jews.
I am hoping that’s not what you’re saying here, but again, looking at OP’s meme, and your responses to it and to me, I honestly can’t reach any other conclusion.
you hold ethnic hatred and disgust for Jews
Is Zionism an ethnicity? Does that mean anti-Zionist Jews aren’t Jewish?
I honestly can’t reach any other conclusion
Reach harder
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that OP said that hatred of Jews isn’t justified, and you sound like you are disagreeing.
OP said that hatred of Jews isn’t justified
Conflating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism is a right wing Israel talking point.
I thought we established that we don’t like them
I wasn’t talking about all jews around the world of course not, but arguing that Jewish people living in Israel and other jews supporting Israel are just as equally as responsible as the state of Israel. you wouldn’t even hear a shred of concern towards the Palestinians beings bombed by their own people with their own money.
Everyone should get the chance to prove themselves an asshole.
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I’m very opposed to Israels current actions. I don’t think Israel should have been created. I think they are guilty of genocide and apartheid. None of that makes is OK to talk of dismantling Israel. The fact that they have committed hateful crimes against humanity does not justify visiting similar crimes against them. You cannot just dispossess a whole people of their land. It’s a crime when Israel does it and it would be a crime to do it to them, too
makes is OK to talk of dismantling Israel.
It is perfectly okay - and necessary - to talk about dismantling Israel. It is even more okay to actually do it.
You cannot just dispossess a whole people of their land.
You mean… like was done by Israel since 1948? I’m going to guess you also think the Soviet Union tossing Nazi Germany out of western Russia was some “great injustice?”
It’s amazing how easily you liberals turn pro-colonialist at the drop of a hat. It’s almost like you’re no less right-wing than your (so-called) “conservative” cousins - you just need a different flavor of propaganda before you start shilling for the status quo.
FFS I’m not a liberal. At least not in the sense that Americans use the word. I’m anti crimes against humanity.
I don’t know why you bother talking to anyone on social media if you’re just going to to make up what you imagine they’re saying.
I’m not a liberal
You sure about that? Pearl-clutching about a genocidal white supremacist state’s crimes while unwilling to entertain the idea of actually doing anything real about it sounds like garden-variety liberal SOP to me.
You have no idea what I think
Then tell me what you think… as opposed to what the lib media has told you to think.
Oh fuck off you facetious fuck. You fucking lob insults at me in post after post and now you want me to spend time explaining myself to you? Go fuck yourself
Most people living there (with or without Israeli passport) do not want to be complicit in the project you are describing, so clearly no. What you are describing is the agenda of a minority.
so clearly no.
Which part of…
Israel is a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist project regardless of what government it has.
…didn’t you comprehend the first time around?
You dehumanize people for existing in a social construct they have not created and most of them have not chosen and some of them have no option of leaving. You write as if you want to protect people from hatred or atrocities, yet your wording is nothing but fuelling more hatred and atrocities.
You dehumanize people for existing in a social construct they have not created
And again - which part of…
Israel is a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist project regardless of what government it has.
…are you still having a hard time comprehending?
It does not matter what this or that individual Israeli citizen’s personal feels are on the matter - it does not change the fact that Israel is a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist project regardless of what government it has.
There’s nothing complicated about this.
it does represent most of israel though.
I mean his “actions” in gaza has 85% rating in israel and alot of other 15% is that he doesn’t do enough.
South Park’s comedic antics will be lost on droves of beautiful souls unless The Critic is rebooted.
It feels like Jews are the ones who need to understand this
Not “Jews”, but zionists specifically, who purposefully conflate themselves with Jews as a whole in order to label their opponents as antisemitic.
And opposing those actions is not antisemitic.
We take those two things together as truth and we are getting somewhere.
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Seems like some very motivated reasoning, there
demands for Israels destruction and the ouster and/or murder of All of it’s Jews
From the River To the Sea, and Hamas banners, and the Jews are the New Nazis
These are not the same thing.
I wish the mods would stop removing comments and instead refute them.
Would be more helpful and productive.
Tbf “from the river to the sea” and “Israel destruction” are pretty much the same thing.
You realize that this proclamation was first made by the Zionists who meant the genocide of Palestinians with it? This is strongly opposed from the Palestinians who demand freedom and rights from the River to the Sea and rightfully so.
A state with equals rights on th former Mandatory Palestine territory would free “from the river to the see”. If you think that it’s imply the destruction of the state of Israel, it’s mean that for you, the very existence of the Israel State couldn’t lead to the freedom of people on that territory.
If this only thing that matter is freedom, this exactly what is shout out.
If you thing this dog whistle, give sources. The only one I found was zionist organizations. In a time of war, I’m not sure we could rely on its.
Couldn’t let it be could you?
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Cretins? Not sure that’s a word you want to use, pal, it’s a pretty bad slur.
I really wish this didn’t need to be clarified every few days. Thanks, zionists and white supremacists!
You know, it’s that same right wing government’s hasbara for the 70 years to confuse the difference between an Israeli, a Jew, and a Zionist so they could use antisemitism as a cudgel and the Shoah as a shield.
FINE: If I’m not allowed to criticize Israel without fixing antisemitism first, then Israel can’t have any more weapons or cover in the UN until they solve race relations in the US.
I only hate the zionists and a great many of them are not Jewish.
Many of them are open antisemites even. Zionism and Antisemitism are allied ideologies.
Well that’s counterintuitive. Where’d you learn that?
It is counterintuitive but it does make sense. You see the initial plan the Nazis used to try to get rid of the Jews was to expel them from Germany. They had no problem if the Jews all grouped together and settled their own country so long as it was somewhere else. Far away from them. (And when they didn’t leave they made conditions horrible for them). That’s why antisemites love Zionism; it’s a way to get rid of the Jewish population in their country without dirtying their hands with ethnic cleansing. Which is how we get to conspiracy nutjobs who rant about Jewish space lasers setting forest fires in the US for some reason, turning around and enthusiastically supporting Israel and defence aid for Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_antisemitism
To put it briefly. Zionism is a ethno-nationalist ideology. One country for each ethnicity and were the dominating ethnicity gets to supress every minority. This on the one hand is what whit supremacist fascists believe too. On the other hand Israels key claim to its right to exist at the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is that Israel would be the only safe place for Jews in the world. If Jews are persecuted and discriminated against outside of Israel this is good for Israel as they can justify their existence with it. For Antisemites historically and today it is great to allow for an out to “get rid of the Jews” by sending them to Israel. Exactly what was done by Britain.
So they both share the same ideological core, which is ethnostates (“Blut und Boden” - blood and soil, like the Nazis called it) and operatively they profit from each other.
The current right wing government also doesn’t represent every citizen of Israel either, but it is ok to use ‘Israel’ as a shorthand for the actions of the current right wing government when the actions are a continuation of decades of similar colonialism and the government is in power due to how the majority of the population voted.
So hatred against everyone in Israel is also wrong, but saying Israel is committing genocide doesn’t require saying it is the current government.
This meme should say “The actions of Israel does not represent the will of all Jews,”
Edit: I expect everyone who down voted also refrains from using Russia, China, or the United States and other names of countries when making criticisms for consistency. “Russia didn’t invade Ukraine, the current Putin led government did.”
It happens to be the Israel government that claims anything hamas does should be taken out on all Arabs in Gaza.
It’s only fair to offer them the same privilege - you elect a government and they represent your country. What they do the people has to answer for.
Should I be allowed to vote for someone that say “we should exterminate all swedes” and not stand to answer for that when they get power and start killing swedes?
Not everyone voted for him you dipshit.
When trump got elected, did every american vote for him? Use your fucking brain.
doesn’t matter much as he got elected. He shouldn’t be stopped from power by vote - he should be unable to run.
You need to take responsibility for your laws and how your society works.
Trumps people seem to understand this and makes actual change to how the US works.
To me it seems they are making it worse, but there’s no revolt, so I’m guessing people accept it, even if not cheering.
I need to take responsibility for MY laws? I vote for the most left party available in my country. What do you want me to do? Walk into the presidents office and slap his ass across the room?
A ton of people are protesting. We are doing our best. The government is not like the little sloth operated office from zootopia. They will beat the fuck out of you and turn you into swiss cheese with bullets if you revolt.
I can’t fight a tank or an army.
Or do you think i get a letter in the mail for every law so i can vote for that specific one or deny it?
I don’t think you do. But you have resigned because what can you do than protest?
In time when you are pushed even further down into the shit your kids will figure it out. People always do, it just takes time to get to that level - and leave the humanity behind.
And it sure looks like it’s going to shit really fast - with 1700-era laws for guns and forcing women to be reproduction-machines without a voice. Especially as you didn’t have that much freedom in the first place.
Applying your logic to the letter, does that mean that a German Communist who lost years of his life in Auschwitz for trying to oppose the nazi regime should be punished for failing to prevent Hitler from reaching power? How does that work?
