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California Cops Tased a Man Having a Seizure, Then Booked Him on Bogus Charges To Cover Their Mistake
Booked Him on Bogus Charges To Cover Their Mistake
To Cover Their Mistake
Mistake
Never has a word done so much heavy lifting.
“Human rights violation” just doesn’t sound muddled enough.
And newspaper or journalists don’t wanna get hit with a raid
For those curious to know why this is a fear for newsrooms.
Ex-Kansas police chief who raided local newspaper criminally charged - The Guardian 13 Aug 2024
Whoopsie! I done tazed a guy having a medical emergency again!! I’m so kooky!!!
Ok let’s also assume he was intoxicated. Even then why the fuck would you tase him? Should’ve waited for the medical personnel. Then man was in his own goddamned house. WTF!
Even then why the fuck would you tase him?
IIRC the thought the seizure induced thrashing was him resisting arrest. Of course that begs the question, why were they trying to arrest someone having a seizure (that they’d been sent to help BTW) in the first place?
Probably for committing one of the highest crimes of the land - disrespecting a police officer by not following their orders. They don’t care if he was seizing, unconscious, whatever. They will shoot to kill for such an infraction.
Which order to follow…
Jesus fucking christ
IN THEIR OWN HOUSE!
He was seizing right at them and they were afraid for their lives, they really had no other choice! Also, he didn’t stop when they told him to, which is an egregious crime in the US it seems - when a cop tells you to do something you do it, or risk getting tazed and/or shot, even if the order is to turn green, fly, crawl with your arms in the air or stop having a grand mal seizure…
Cops in a town arrested a woman for drinking at home because she was rude to them when they asked her about a unrelated hit and run that happened in front of her home.
She was watching a baseball game minding her own business and they left, then came back and arrested her.
Oh! I actually know the answer to this one!
Cuz the perpetrator was experiencing excited delirium which, to the untrained eye (and the trained eye and the doctor’s eye and any eye that doesn’t belong to a police officer), can LOOK like a seizure. According to numerous completely un-ridiculous lawsuits, the lawyers and doctors paid
offby Axon have determined that repeatedly applying the electric shocks of a taser actually CURE excited delirium!So, the fact that this man survived PROVES that the
assaultingresponding officer actually saved his life from an episode of excited delirium! Had the man died, it would have meant that the officer did everything within hisincompetencepower to rescue the man, but he simply succumbed to the grip of excited delirium. Also, had the man weighed the same as a duck, they would have had to burn him.THIS OFFICER IS A
MORONHERO!!!In case I was too subtle:
/s
maybe when they heard that he was going through a seizure, they assumed he was orchestrating a drugs bust.
County Jail on charges of resisting arrest and battery. Afterward, he was released “still wearing nothing but his underwear and a disposable hospital outfit; he had no wallet, phone or money,” the complaint states. “He did not remember Alice’s phone number in the jail and they would not help him contact her, so he walked in his hospital slippers about a half mile to a gas station,” where workers helped him call a taxi.
I’m familiar with the case but not this detail. Seriously, fuck these thugs.
Maybe we should defund the police.
Let’s hope they tase some more rich white guys so we can get them on board finally.
They literally won’t go in to those neighborhoods.
I used to think I was going to be a cop, I joined the explorers and hung out with cops, I went on rice alongs. I spent entire shifts following cops around watching them do cop shit my senior year of high school.
They would spend most of their time doing traffic patrols. The “good” cops hung out in more middle class neighborhoods, the shitheads specifically targeted poorer neighborhoods. No one patrols the affluent areas. When a call comes in they argue about who has to go. A domestic disturbance in the trailer park would get every officer not currently arresting someone out to see what’s going on, because they’re bored.
They know not to pull certain cars over, to look the other way when certain people are caught drunk or high in public. That’s just the extent of the stuff I personally saw.
Doesn’t surprise me, although eventually they’ll get so brazen they’ll go after everyone, not just the poor.
But that’s not how it works. The police are owned by them. Unless you mean that they get out of control of anyone and then attack their old masters as well. But that seems like such a bad idea that I don’t know if even cops could be braindead enough to do that.
Rich people have private security and doctors. If a rich kid is having a seizure an ambulance will show up not the police and if they did private security would escort the police if they have emt experience
Why are you conflating the class war with racism? There is only the class war.
Or replace them entirely.
I mean, they did go after a finance guy. that is what I’d like violent thugs to be doing, if we gotta have em in society. I feel like this one is more funny than bad.
yes I would be shouting bloody murder if they did this to, like, a random unhoused person, but this time was fine, too bad they let him live.
This finance guy? Who was having a seizure? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Stop that, please.
That entire “defund the police” is the dumbest idea out there. You NEED police, any society needs police. Either that, or next time your being assaulted or robbed, well, sucks to be you.
What the US needs is a completely restructured police system, from the ground up. It needs officers that received training, not the 3-6 months dicking around with idiots that teach them “anyways, then I started blasting”. It needs restructuring of yhe laws so that they can be held accountable when they abusre their powers. They need to learn how to de-escalate situations instead of throwing oil on fires. Racism needs to be squeezed out.
This is how police works in other countries, this is why in other countries we actually like and respect police .
This also requires other changes in the US. This justice system based on revenge has to go. Focus on rehabilitation instead. You gotta limit your guns. I know that people start screeching at the idea, bit if by now it’s still not clear that US citizens are NOT able to responsibly use their guns, then you have issues. You yourself might be super responsible but the next ten people are not. Take the guns away. Best would be all of it.
Those are things that will make your country nicer, and your police actually respectable.
While I agree that the system needs to be restructured, and rehabilitation and limiting of guns would be very very good policy. The idea of defunding the police exists for a reason.
US courts have ruled that police are not obligated to put themselves in danger for you. So if you are being attacked, and the police believe the attacker could pose a threat to them, they don’t have to do anything to help you or stop the attacker. So next time you’re being assaulted or robbed, it may still very well suck to be you even with the police in line of sight.
Furthermore, the police spend the budget that they do get on military equipment rather than training their officers in de-escalation.
So at what point do we stop funneling so much money into the police for them to waste it on things that make situations worse. We either have to defund the police and put the money towards other services such as social workers who can de-escalate through non violent means, or start putting restrictions on how the police are able to spend the money, and having stronger guidelines/requirements for the training they go through.
Defund the police means take their bloated military surplus budget, reduce it to reasonable levels and channel those funds into social services instead. It doesn’t mean ‘erase all cops’
They say something more precise
Defund the police is used uite successfully by extreme right to make centrist and moderate left look dumb
All of that is true, but our police also need to be defunded. Police spending makes up a huge percentage of most municipal budgets, and diverts money from other necessary and helpful things, like social workers, emergency responders, programs for the unhoused, education, etc.
Yeah but you still need police. You need well trained police who know how to de-escalate situations. It also requires a change in how usi citizens look at crime. Prison sentences in Europe are always een as too lenient and lax but that is because in the US they are to punish, to enact revenge for the victims. In Europe prison sentences are also meant to reeducate, to prepare the person to come back to society. If o get arrested in Europe, it sucks. If I get arrested in the US, my life is mostly over. Once you’ve been a prisoner in the US, and you come back into society, you’re fucked. Good luck getting a normal job. It makes it that crimjnals are mucbore aggressive in the US, so police needs to be more aggressive too. You need to change how you handle crime, you need to rework your entire justice system.
In Europe prison sentences are also meant to reeducate, to prepare the person to come back to society.
Keyword: meant, but i get what you… meant.
No shit. That starts with reducing how much money they’re allocated. That’s what defunding the police means. It doesn’t mean get rid of the police as your implying, it means give them less money, so we have more to spend on social programs, rehabilitation, and other things that actually reduce crime.
it means give them less money
…'cos they blow it all on military-grade equipment, among other stuff.
Increase the budget for those things, keep the police budget the same but with the changes op is outlining and reduce the military budget.
Military spending doesn’t affect municipal budgets.
police are essentially unneeded in a society that treats its members with compassion. That role is better handled by social workers. Defunding the police seems like a dumb idea to people principally unconcerned with compassion, but extremely concerned with a governmental occupationary force who, in a fit of paranoia, cant imagine that maybe humans arent rabidly violent without a looming threat of violence. One might in fact imagine that police themselves are responsible in part and often in whole for the many systemic failures that appear to justify them at their incredible unrivaled level of funding to you.
Also, you described reforms that would necessarily involve defunding the police. You agree with the position but think you dont because of the soundbite.
Defund the police doesn’t mean no police! It means not giving them so much money when that money is better spent on things that actually reduce crime. 99% of all blue collar crime is due to poverty. Why only treat the symptoms when you can get to the root of the problem. If cops really want to stop crime they would be more interested in white collar crime as that has far more impact down the road than any other crime.
Then don’t say defund the Police, say that instead. I agree that the US needs to fix a lot of issues, and you need police but restructured.
“Defund the pice” sounds like take all the money away and get rid of police. That’s how many conservatives interpret it, and it’s used successfully to ridicule the left.
It’s not anyone’s job to educate and cater to willfully ignorant.
That attitude will get you a lot more ignorant people than you’d like
I have so many questions, but I will limit it to one. Why are you content giving the power to defend yourself to someone else?
Because if you leave it up to each person to defend themselves, you have literal anarchy. You’ll have the weaker that will be at the bottom abused and only the strongest on top. You’ll have abuse and people getting away with abusing. It’s the thing I’m happy is far, far behind us.
We all need trained police.
Police are strong and abuse the “weak”. A monopoly on violence does make people weak.
I’m not sure if I am a top or bottom. I prefer horizontal.
No
Police is strong, yes, but in most countries they don’t abuse the weak. US police is another thing, but US police is in such a bad state that most US citizens don’t even know anymore what police is supposed to be for. Its supposed to be held accountable, it’s supposed to protect and serve. US police needs an complete top to bottom overhaul and unfortunately loads of current officers should be fired. A national “don’t hire” list should be instated. The police union as it exists today should be torn down and rebuilt too as currently it only exists to protect rotten apples.
But it won’t be enough. You’ll also have to change how US citizens see the justice system m. Currently it’s used as a tool for vengeance more than it’s a tool of rehabilitation. You gotta focus more on rehabilitation, people will get back in society one day and I’d like them less criminal, not more. Lower penalties and more pragmatic focus. Right now if I get arrested for a major crime in Europe, I’m in trouble but I’ll get help and a few years later I can have my life back on the rails. In the US, my life.is over, so of course I’ll be violent to the Police. Prisons must focus on mental health, education, etc.
You’ll need to chante gun laws and outlaw most guns, leave a few options available for hunters, sports, etc. US citizens have shown for over a century now tha they can’t handle guns responsibly. “But but I do” sure. But the other 99.99% don’t. All that violence and regular mass shooting stuff is a unique US thing.
Next up is the racism and poverty divides, they gotta go. Tax the shit out of the rich, use the money to lift everyone up.
That will fix your issues, that will fix your police and make them a friend in the street
Currently it’s used as a tool for vengeance more than it’s a tool of rehabilitation.
Prisons being run by private companies might have an influence on the number of inmates…
I’m so in love with the idea of a world with no police. A place where murder is acceptable and any crime you want to commit is never investigated.
You think the police is the line that makes crime not acceptable? Holy shit hahaha. Police officers investigating crime, like on TV? Haha
Murder is already acceptable if you’re a cop.
Hey everyone! A coward ⬆️
Yep I’m a coward, the guy who was arrested by the police for confronting my crack had neighbour for threatening my wife.
I’m the coward because even though I got in trouble I still support having the police around.
You know why?
Because I don’t come from the cesspool that is America
Sorry. ACAB
I’m not even on that person’s side but calling someone who doesn’t want to be murdered a coward is brain-dead.
He’s not going to be. The possibility is extremely low. That’s just the feeling cowards walk around with. No amount of fascist class traitors can change the heart of a coward. But it never stops them from pumping their fear and bootlicking…
I went to the cops with video proof that my neighbor was stealing stuff from my garden.
Nothing happened.
So I pretended to be away for the day and caught him in the act and fucking punched him repeatedly in the face.
I just found him bleeding on the floor. Must have tripped and fell. Idk why my cameras weren’t working.
I had a racist neighbor get angry at me for “shielding” my mixed race neighbor kid (he was six) and he trespassed on her property, which was really just him walking in the easement between the sidewalk and the road and him looking for bugs.
I outweighed her by close to 100lbs, but she wanted to start shit and wouldn’t leave, and I didn’t want to hurt her but wanted her to leave. Took my leaf blower and just blasted it into her face until she ran away. Cops showed up and questioned me, laughed their ass off at the whole thing and left.
She is the shit neighbor who thinks it’s ok to walk into people’s yards if she “sees something suspicious”, which is really her just being a shitter.
While the Marin County District Attorney’s office eventually refused to formally file charges against Frankel, he has still suffered lasting harm from his treatment by police. In addition to the physical injuries he sustained from Sinnott’s use of force, Frankel spent over $10,000 fighting the police’s attempts to have him prosecuted.
“Man who was not formally charged with a crime forced to spend $10 000 defending himself”
Officers “submitted the false reports or caused them to be submitted in an effort to smear [Frankel’s] reputation, preoccupy him with a criminal case, intimidate him, and prevent him from pursuing claims against them for improper and excessive use of force,” the complaint states, adding that police “acted willfully with the wrongful intention of injuring [Frankel] and for an improper and evil motive amounting to malice.”
So they collasally fucked up, then fucked up more trying to cover up the initial fuck up. Don’t suppose there were any actual consequences for the police officers blatantly lying to incriminate an innocent man?
All police officers involved in this, and thwir direct superiors should all be fired, be put on a national “no hire” list, and face prison time for their crimes
Edit: fixed typos
and face prison time for their crimes
Police falsifying reports should be a criminal offense. I feel like I shouldn’t have to say this.
The whole system is fucked up
Its like they arrive at the scene without any information at all.
They arrived their first, medical assistance still on the way. They should be to busy coordinating to make sure those can do their job efficiently when they arrive. Maybe performing first aid. They shouldn’t be looking for crimes even if they are present.
Theres just no reason for a cop to show up when 911 is called for a medical emergency.
Yep, basically the whole argument to the “defund the police” movement. Take some of that fucking cop money to hire social workers. Better for society, but the fascists don’t like things that are good for society.
Local jails are just holding facilities for the mentally ill. We need free and easy access to mental healthcare. We need to educate people on when and how to get it. We need early childhood interventions and we need to educate parents so that they aren’t afraid of the stigma of mental illnesses. We need to train regular doctors on how to recognize different illnesses and how to guide patients instead of prescribing anti-depresents for everything or saying someone is too young to have a mental illness.
I think most people would agree with that. Like so many issues though, the will of the people just doesn’t seem to have an impact.
I don’t think people are aware of the extent of the issue. Even the police, courts, jail guards, and even the people in jail aren’t really aware of the underlying problems. People who take illegal drugs are often self medicating. They do things like steal to pay for them. People with violent tendencies often have underlying conditions. People with mental illness often have difficulty with education and obtaining good jobs and lack economic opportunities.
Thats what I really don’t get. In other countries if you call an ambulance, police has nothing to do with it.
In my country (Germany) the central emergency hotline 112, the equivalent to 911, isn’t even run by police. Fire departments are coordinating emergencies.
Ours aren’t run by police either anymore. It’s a company with regional phone centers that alerts local police/ambulance/fire.
Is there a way to call for an ambulance without 911? Like to ensure one ONLY gets EMS. I know you can call the local police station without 911, you should be able to get medical help without meeting armed sociopaths.
Even without information, if your first reaction to the unknown is overwhelming violence, you belong in a mental institution
Yeah like, it’s not even that there’s NO job for cops in this situation it’s just that that job is; make sure there’s nothing obvious that’s going to hurt the paramedics. I can’t imagine,“man on the ground flopping like a fish and occasionally stopping to mumble incoherently” and “crying wife on the ground next to him” would flag as dangerous but their conflict deescalation classes apparently teach “everything is 2 seconds away from killing you so try to shoot it before that.”
As a parent of a teenager who has tonic-clonic seizures (aka grand mal), this story made me nauseous. A patient recovering from a seizure has absolutely no ability to respond or understand what’s going on. Police should be helping and making sure he’s on his side, not tasing him. Whoever these cops are should be fired immediately. I hope Mr Frankel bankrupts the department.
We need to fire all cops and have more paramedics and social workers instead.
Until a crime impacts you
So they can come out and, best case scenario, they tell you there’s nothing they can do? Or show up and wait on standby for the criminal to finish what they’re doing a la Uvalde?
Or would you prefer the come out to a potential burglary call and end up shooting the woman who called the police in the head?
Good thing we have so many of them to keep us safe during all these crimes. 🙄
No.
What you need is an actual police force that protects and serves. At this point, US police is little more than another criminal gang. You need police officers that get 4 years of training, that are held accountable for their actions when they cross lines, that come from the communities that they will serve… You know, basic rules that apply to police officers in most civilized countries.
Most US citizens don’t realize how messed up and weird theit country really is. Saying “defund police” may sound like a reasonable option from your perspective, but anyone living in a country with actual police that actually serves and protect, it sounds like crazy talk
The other thing to keep in mind about the “defund the police,” slogan is that most other countries cops do their jobs with way less than half the funding that US cops get. They also don’t have the largest and best equipped military in the world just handing them old equipment, from weapons, to body armor, to armored vehicles. US cops are a racket specifically designed to bleed the taxpayer dry, and waste as much money as possible.
Ok, well here, and I say this as someone who was victim to a pretty bad crime this summer, we’ve tried other things. Retrain the cops? They select training that teaches them to think of suspects as a constant threat to their life and listen to their gut or stuff like drug training that puts them in deadly fear of fentanyl and teaches them to mistreat marijuana users even where it’s legal. Fund them better? They buy military surplus equipment like MRAPs. Body cameras? They turn them off. Any accountability whatsoever? They stick together better than the mafia.
And all this with a purely puntitive justice system. It needs a complete overhaul and that begins by making sure the police can’t afford military vehicles.
Just try not living in America.
The whole world doesn’t have your fucked up problems
We’d have less crime if there were less poverty.
Solid answer, good job.
What would you prefer criminals doing the crime or the police?
My father has grand Mal seizures, these cops did not think that man was intoxicated. Anyone who’s seen someone have a grand Mal would immediately know something was up with their brain
The first time my dad ever had one I was awoken at 1am to my mom screeching and my dad spasming on his bed spewing blood from his mouth (bit his tongue) and even I knew immediately it was a fucking seizure (I was 15 at the time and entirely untrained), these cops wanted to hurt someone
A psychosis on heavy drugs can look like you’re being possessed by a demon. I’m not saying their actions are in any way justified, but there is some room for them to simply be ignorant towards the common people because of their prejudice. (Which in my opinion should be punished equally as hard.)
Why the fuck were the cops even dispatched? Any dispatcher should know that cops are fucking morons. And should not be send to a medical emergency. If an ambulance is not available you send firefighters. This is almost criminal negligence on the dispatcher’s part.
In a lot of places the police show up to any EMT/Fire response they can, as a safety thing. So it is likely the police got there before the EMTs could. So, that sucks.
Even in a perfect world, where cops actually protect and serve the people, if you’re going to send cops to a medical emergency they should only be there as a helping hand to paramedics. If the paramedic tells the cops to fuck off, they should comply. Cops aren’t medics, they’re not trained to properly handle really any medical emergency any more than the average person who’s watched greys anatomy. They have no business being there and if they are they should be the bitch boy to the actual trained professional.
poor country they live in. seems that country needs external help to develop a minimum bit of civilisation. 🤷♀️
I’ve had a seizure in public before, fortunately around my friends. No cops, just a couple of EMT’s. I guess Portland has its priorities a little more in order? They are short staffed.
I have a patient who had a seizure and 911 was called. He tends to get agitated, so his wife warned the cops that came to leave him alone to come out of it as sometimes he starts flailing his arms. Well he flailed his arms and the cops decided to handle that by punching him in the head a few times. Cops need seizure training very very badly.
Cops need de escalation training badly. They treat every call as a crime.
US Police officers need training very badly, period.
Also, don’t call them cops anymore. They don’t need a “cool” designation, they’re people with a job, ans that job is to protect and serve us, not being some cool dude that we need to fear
They don’t need more training. They need consequences
I mean, average training for a U.S based police person is 3 months, compared to a civilized country where it’s considerably longer. They need both.
They do need more training as they barely get any.
They also need consequences, yes
US Police officers need training very badly, period.
God, isn’t that the truth. Standardized training, and training that doesn’t invite quacks to give lectures on how you need a WARRIOR MENTALITY and killing people will give you the best sex of your life.
Cop = Citizen On Patrol. It’s derogatory, as it correctly implies they aren’t officers, and they absolutely hated being called cops as recently as the early '90s.
Cop is short for copper, which was a reference to the big brass buttons they used to have on their uniforms.
Could be both. Could be neither. I’m just a random person on the internet.
Police officer sounds authoritative. Cop is usually used in a derogatory manner. Gonna stick with cop.
Police officer is what they should be.
Cop, whatever it was before, is -to them- this cool ahrrif guy who will show the town who is boss.
You’re not that, you are. Apomoce officer who should be trained and sworn to uphold the law firstly to yourself, to serve and protect.
Can do.
ACAB
Even if they didn’t knew what to expect, a patient having a grand mal is lying on the floor unable to control his movements or communications.
How can that person possibly be percieved as a threat that has to be teasered?!?
Cops “For starters when we showed up with our guns waiting to start blasting, maybe the accused should have listened to us. You all should be thankfully, that we took a minute to decide to taser and beat someone would be far more beneficial for us.”
Oh, good. Another police fuckup that the taxpayers are going to be on the hook for.
(I’m assuming US) freedom isn’t free! /s
So this article mentions absolutely nothing about this man being a “financier”, but it does mention that the woman is his FIANCÉ. Did this tweet seriously mix those two words up? And then OP read the story, read this tweet, and still went ahead and screenshotted it?
financeer!
Huh, “light and moist,” the block-like shape makes it look like you could beat a rhino with it.
I am reading, rolled my eyes in pure disbelief and sighed out a heavy air. This kind of thing is something that third world cops would not even do. Plenty of comparison to be made with American cops and cops from poorer countries: corrupt, power-tripping, abusive, and have little to no standards of training. But this level of bullshit is something American cops would only do.
Although on the one hand, had the man been a black person, he probably would have already been shot straight away instead of being tased. American cops are just pure comical clowns and it is tragic.
