• Flocklesscrow@lemmy.zip
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    You mean Clarence Thomas didn’t put his criminal thumb on the scale to tip the five-justice majority in Bush v. Gore, which halted the manual recount of disputed ballots in Florida, effectively awarding the presidency to George W. Bush?

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      Either that or Roger Stone, Joel Kaplan, and a host of other deplorable people failed to stop the recount with their riot.

      I love to imagine the police actually doing their job and breaking it up the second that Republican Congressman gave the order to riot.

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      I have a clear memory in high school in 1991 of seeing a newspaper clipping posted about the Anita Hill testimony. I had no idea how bad Republican corruption was going to get.

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        “She only said all that to get famous” was something I heard a lot of during Lewinsky. Violent barf.

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      It’s wild that whole a full state recount would have been a Gore victory and we know what, but the requested specific recounts would actually have been insufficient to change the outcome.

      RCV would have been easily a Gore win.

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      ginny helped the Heritage Foundation in 2000, the brook bro’s riot.

      kavanaugh was involved in the shit show as well. funny stuff that.

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        Ginny is the worst human on Earth. But not even the worst person in her marriage.

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          yeah they’re in some sick twisted contest to see who can be more despicable. it’s a match made in the 9th plane of hades.

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    what the fuck

    why would you do this to me

    why would you make me cry on a perfectly fine day

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      I just wish 2024 went different. It’s weird being converted into what is essentially a Russia level fascist state in less than a year. Dump constantly speaks about being the president that’s done more than any in the last 100 years, and I don’t see why people aren’t believing him. We’re not getting out of this hole in our lifetime. It’s over. The highest office has legitimized double think, propaganda, lying, criminal rape, etc. We’re cooked as far as bringing respect or honor to government goes.

    • 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.world
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      Make your own timeline.

      Join a local mutual AID ASAP, and/or a local chapter of a grassroots led political action group (if there are non, look into how to start one).

      Forget doomscrolling, forget touching grass, let’s fix this fucking world together!

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          That is true, but we can also look at the broader resulting deaths from the global WoT.

          I think it’s best to not look back softly on any of 'em. We’re to quick to normalise past atrocities.

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            sadly I think the loss of programs like pepfar and the other successes USAID had worldwide are going to dware even the horrendous shit show that was THE CRUSADE AGAINST THE AXIS OF EVIL’S WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, er, oh, yes, that’s right, there never were any of these found, at all, and it took another decade to kill OBL, the actual villain

            it’s a horrible comparison to make, they’re both heinous tragedies foisted upon the world by utter fucking morons.

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    Many horrible things that were preventable, happened.
    But you know why what happened?

    It was the very same mediocre electoral stupidity we see today, the precious, lazy assholes, easily-manipulable into inaction, who latched onto the murdoch/limbaugh/drudge report propaganda of the time.

    bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe

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      9/11 was early in the Bush presidency, it probably would have happened if Al Gore was president.

      There’s a chance the US response would have been different, but I won’t hold my breath, although it would be likely we’d have much better climate policies

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        We 100% would have invaded.

        Would we have stayed so long? Probably, TBH. Obama stayed, and pendulum would’ve swung back to McCain anyway.

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          Tony Blair was a big “leftists” until 9/11. wouldn’t surprise me if the same thing would have happened to Gore

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    I so want to be in the Al Gore timeline. Bush picked up 3 electoral votes by lying to Nevada about yucca mountain, Ralph Nader siphoned off Dem votes, and one of the ‘stop the count’ rioters is now on the supreme court. Fuck the nazi bastard Rush Limbaugh who went from 1 station to 50 with no advertisers. Fuck Rupert Murdoch who got US citizenship just to by more media outlets. Fuck Scalito. Fuck the ‘both sides’ mainstream media. Fuck the washington post, its credibility died when KMG did. Fuck the repubs who pretended to care so much about little Elian. I swear to god I’m still in one of the matrix battery pods. Get me out of here Morpheus.

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      Fun fact: if 1% of the Florida Nader voters had instead voted for Al Gore instead, Bush wouldn’t have been President.

      This is why it’s important not to protest vote 3rd party in the General election.

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      I can feel your justified rage from here, but…

      I swear to god I’m still in one of the matrix battery pods. Get me out of here Morpheus.

      I’m in stitches. Didn’t see that one coming. And yes, I too am willing to ascend into a greater world of Gnostic horror; it might not be so bad.

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      Maybe if the administration wasn’t staffed with incompetent ghouls, they would’ve taken Ahmad Shah Massoud’s warnings more seriously.

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      Maybe, but keep in mind the USS Cole bombing happened right before the election. The stories from the transition were that the Clinton people tried to stress that Al Qaeda was a high priority, but the incoming Bush people ignored them because they cared more about finding an excuse to invade Iraq.

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      Seriously. It was a failure of Intel sharing that would have always happened. Plus, the first WTC attack took place in 1993 while Clinton was in office. Gore just being there wouldn’t have stopped that.

      If anything, Gore winning would have 100% prevented any chance of a President Obama happening. I know which one I would have rather had.

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        I know which one I would have rather had.

        The one that would have actually set up the much needed protections against global warming instead of the milquetoast middle of the road guy?

        (contrarian for the sake of it, not quite my exact view)

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        Gore?

        Don’t get me wrong, Obama spoke to my generation. The zeitgeist of the late 2000s. But uh, if you’re asking me if I want “Guy in 2008 who tries not to step on toes but is obstructed throughout his entire administration by conservative intransigence and an inability to bypass it” or “Guy in 2000 who WON’T start an unjustified war which led to the deaths of thousands of Iraqis and Americans, crater the national budget, and inflame fascist and racist sentiment in the US”, I, uh, I’m gonna go with the latter. Penny of preventing Bush is worth a pound of cure, and all that.

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          Further, I think while the GOP would have been follow up to Gore, there’s a good chance we would have gotten McCain, which is pretty good as far as the GOP goes. Then decent chance you might have still had Obama for, say, 2016. We almost certainly wouldn’t have seen Trump, since Obama’s delay would avoid petty Donald from going nuts over a non white president roasting him. In a public event.

          There’s just so many specific things that went wrong that credibly wouldn’t have followed a Gore victory.

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            We almost certainly wouldn’t have seen Trump, since Obama’s delay would avoid pretty Donald from going nuts over a non white president roasting him. In a public event.

            As narrative and cinematic as the idea is, I don’t actually think the mockery was core to the whole issue. He had run for president previously, and the only reason he got roasted to begin with was because he was performing public verbal defecation through his puckered asshole mouth with the whole “OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE” thing.

            As an idiotic narcissist who saw his inner racism increasingly reflected in the open rhetoric of the conservative party, he was always going to keep trying. And it’s to the GOP’s shame (insofar as they’re capable of such a thing) that they nominated him; and America’s shame that we elected him twice.

            But yes, a Gore presidency may have averted all of… this.

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          Fair. I would assume Gore would have ended up a 1-term president is the thing, and he would have absolutely been pushed into war in Afghanistan. remember who was VP when the US entered the Balkan war. Sure, for good reasons, but the precedent was set. But certainly not Iraq, we can agree on that. And that’s like $22 trillion of taxpayer money back.

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        If anything, Gore winning would have 100% prevented any chance of a President Obama happening.

        President Obama not happening means him not roasting Trump at the 2011 correspondents dinner and Trump not deciding to run for president out of sheer humiliation, narcissism, spite, and stupidity, though.

        Without that he’d been happy staying with his bankrupt casinos and TV gigs.

        Between that and Gore actually doing something against climate change it’d probably have been a net positive.

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          He’s always had an interest, and had run before. And Putin would still want him as a puppet.

          It’s more likely than not that he would have run anyway. Maybe not. He is too fucking old.

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        Same. Sure would be nice to have climate change actually solved. Not to mention abundant green energy.

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            Good chance 9/11 wouldn’t happen. And if it did, I doubt Gore would drop his baby of climate change.

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            Saw a fair argument that 911 might not have happened if Florida has been settled sooner, even if it were still a bush victory.

            Evidently party of the dysfunction and delay with intelligence agencies was due to a somewhat botched transition due to the uncertainty. Maybe they still would have missed it, but there’s at least a reasonable chance it would have been caught.

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              Eh, not that we’ll ever know, but it’s not like there would have been some magic to make government disfunction stop.