Just wait until you’ve heard about the war crime that is Ohio Valley-style pizza

    • BreadstickNinja@lemmy.worldEnglish
      351·
      11 months ago

      Detroit Pizza is my favorite pizza style. I love a good New York pizza but the toasty favors and tang of detroit style are my favorite by far. I got the special pan to make it, and Charlie Anderson on YouTube has a fantastic recipe.

    • stevehobbes@lemy.lolEnglish
      165·
      11 months ago

      Detroit pizza is pretty good. It’s more or less a hybrid between Chicago and New York that matches the geographic location, same with Buffalo.

      • RampageDon@lemmy.worldEnglish
        518·
        11 months ago

        I am sure it’s true, but the wiki description sounds gross to me. A crispy and chewy crust does not sound appealing.

        Geez everyone be gentle, I’m entitled to my opinions about pizza

          • RampageDon@lemmy.worldEnglish
            82·
            11 months ago

            hmmmm fair point. As a first thought I don’t think I would have described it as crunchy and chewy, but thinking about it, I am not sure what else you would call that.

        • Bonehead@kbin.social
          143·
          11 months ago

          A crispy and chewy crust does not sound appealing.

          Speak for yourself. That sounds delicious.

            • Bonehead@kbin.social
              1·
              11 months ago

              Dude, seriously, don’t take it too hard. Lemmy is a harsh place where downvotes are given out freely and abundantly. Kbin doesn’t downvote nearly as hard, and downvotes don’t get imported from Lemmy instances. You have a +6 from my point of view.

              Just roll with it, and don’t let the haters get you down.

        • SexyTimeSasquatch@lemmy.worldEnglish
          123·
          11 months ago

          I mean it’s very crispy around the edges and it’s got a nice focaccia like texture in the middle. Honestly it’s great. I mean, it’s not life altering or anything, but as regional pizza goes it’s one of the better ones.

        • Cheems@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          11 months ago

          You sure are entitled to your opinion. But we’re also entitled to make fun of your dumb opinion

        • ricecake@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          54·
          11 months ago

          I feel like chewy is the wrong word.
          As two extremes, picture wonderbread and a thick sourdough. Wonderbread smushes, and tears effortlessly. The sourdough bounces back and takes effort to tear.

          If wonderbread is a 1 and sourdough is a 10, most pizza is a 4 or 5. Detroit style would be a 5 or 6.
          It’s mostly because it’s a bit thicker in the dough department, and the pan it’s cooked in is greased so the dough is a bit more crisp than the crunch of another pizza crust.

          You would not say that it’s “gummy”, just a little thicker and a slightly closer texture.

          Depending on where you are, jets pizza is a good representative. Domino’s and little Caesars both have a low grade offering in their deep dish or pan pizzas, as they’re both Detroit or Detroit adjacent.

        • stevehobbes@lemy.lolEnglish
          36·
          11 months ago

          It’s mid-deep dish, so crispy on the bottom/sides and a little chewy in the middle.

          I’m a New Yorker so I also have a preference for pizza that is foldable, but the bottom is crispy enough that it cracks when you fold it, but Detroit pizza is good. They use cupping pepperoni, like Buffalo, which I think is superior to the pepperoni we use broadly in NYC.

    • themeatbridge@lemmy.worldEnglish
      231·
      11 months ago

      Mmm tell me more about how this pizza is contaminated with motor oil and antifreeze. That’s really making my mouth water.

      Edit: Your downvotes have convinced me that thinking of an oil drip pan while eating pizza is appetizing. Detroit, I’m sure your pizza is as good as your football team.

    • ramirezmike@programming.devEnglish
      353·
      11 months ago

      Detroit pizza is so fucking good. New York pizza is a greasy flap of falling toppings and Chicagoans will be the first to tell you chicago deep dish is an overrated cheese pool in a piecrust

    • chris@l.roofo.ccEnglish
      18·
      11 months ago

      I never heard of Detroit style but I think it looks very similar to what I would call a baking tray pizza (Blechpizza) in Germany.

      1000007221

      • ricecake@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        10·
        11 months ago

        Pretty similar, yeah.
        Big difference would be that the Detroit pizza is a fair bit greasier, and the cheese goes to the edge so there’s no visible crust.
        It basically makes it so that the dough is fried rather than baked.

      • meowMix2525@lemm.eeEnglish
        3·
        11 months ago

        We call this style of pizza ‘deep dish’ here in Detroit which, I suppose, is just another name for the baking tray its cooked in. Though as the other commenter said, the deep dish allows you to cover it with cheese right up to the edge, which usually ends up dark and crunchy where it touches the pan.

        I’ve known people to fight over the corner pieces and I think it was Jet’s that has a whole thing with an “8-corner pizza” (as in, two smaller pizzas in a box-shaped trenchcoat, cut into quarters so that every piece is a corner piece)

    • amio@kbin.social
      8·
      11 months ago

      Thick, crispy, cheese-overloaded crust, that shit is awesome. I still think sauce-on-cheese is freaking stupid, but aside from that it’s a 10/10.

      • meowMix2525@lemm.eeEnglish
        111·
        11 months ago

        I am born and raised in metro Detroit and the only place I think I’ve seen this “sauce on cheese” you speak of is just now, in the ultra staged photos that came up when I searched “detroit-style pizza” to figure out what you meant

        You’re right, this is blasphemy. Let the record show that this is not at all authentic to Detroit what makes it a Detroit-style pizza

        • Zoolander@lemmy.worldEnglish
          42·
          11 months ago

          I don’t believe you. I’m also born and raised in Detroit and you’re only faking being a Detroiter if you haven’t had Jet’s Pizza, Buddy’s Pizza, or Nikki’s Pizza in Greektown. All 3 places are well-known in the metro area for their pizza and all 3 of them serve it sauce on cheese. That’s what makes a Detroit Pizza a Detroit Pizza. There’s also Shield’s Pizza which is also sauce on cheese but they weren’t in “Detroit” proper for years until 2019 (even though they originally opened in Detroit).

          Did you grow up in the suburbs or something?

          Edit: Shield’s and Buddy’s are the original Detroit pizzas. Anyone who tells you they know anything about Detroit pizza that hasn’t tried them is lying to you.

          • meowMix2525@lemm.eeEnglish
            61·
            11 months ago

            I mean just look up jets deep dish and not a single image that comes up has any sauce over the cheese. That’s how my deep dishes have always come from there or anywhere else. Haven’t eaten at Buddy’s and haven’t heard of Nikki’s or Shield’s. I said metro Detroit so yeah I grew up in the suburbs around Pontiac but I didn’t realize that invalidated my opinion and made me a “fake detroiter” lol

            Edit: also what makes it Detroit pizza is that it’s cooked in a deep square dish with little to no bare bread on the outside edges, not the toppings or sauce arrangement. You can take that or leave it and it’s still detroit-style.

            • Zoolander@lemmy.worldEnglish
              12·
              11 months ago

              I mean… Pontiac is not Detroit so yeah. If you haven’t even heard of the original Detroit Pizza, Shield’s, then you’re not a born and raised Detroiter. You’re a born and raised “Pontiacan”.

              And no, what makes it a Detroit-style pizza isn’t just that it’s cooked in the square dish (which was originally an oil or drip pan). A classic Detroit-style pizza is cooked in the square, deep dish with the sauce under and on top of the cheese. It’s called a red top and the sauce is added in strips. I don’t need to take or leave anything. I’m not taking lessons on Detroit pizza from someone who wasn’t even born and raised in Detroit.

              • meowMix2525@lemm.eeEnglish
                23·
                11 months ago

                lol sorry I didn’t realize you were the official gatekeeper of who/what is or isn’t Detroit. I guess I’ll just ignore all of the local news networks that refer to my area as metro Detroit and the rest of the world that will say I’m from Detroit and talk to me about Detroit when I point my city out on a map. I’ll just take your word for it that I don’t belong here since I didn’t come from your specific neighborhood.

                Not to mention all of the pizza I’ve had, literally from the first place you personally named as having Detroit-style pizza…

                YOU don’t have to take or leave or believe anything. Really not sure why you’re centering yourself in this conversation like that. Neither the world nor the detroit area revolves around you personally and I’m not about to take food lessons either from someone with their head so comfortably shoved up their own ass…

                • Zoolander@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  12·
                  11 months ago

                  Why would anyone take you seriously when you can’t even understand that Pontiac and Detroit are two different cities?

                  Just because people don’t know where Pontiac is doesn’t mean it’s suddenly the same thing as Detroit, especially when we’re discussing food from that specific city.

                  The only person with their head shoved somewhere is you, buddy. Don’t be clowning about our culture when you have no idea what it even is.

          • Telodzrum@lemmy.worldEnglish
            22·
            11 months ago

            Jets absolutely does not do sauce on cheese. Calling bullshit in your “born and raised” claim, son.

                • Zoolander@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  01·
                  11 months ago

                  False. It’s a red top with 3 stripes across the top.

                  Tell me you’ve never eaten a classic at Buddy’s or Shield’s without telling me.

  • Shalakushka@kbin.social
    4513·
    11 months ago

    This person must be from Chicago if they are describing their tomato casserole as a pizza. If Chicago can have their pizza crime, let others do as they please and get off your high horse.

    Let’s not even get into how overrated New York pizza is.

        • hibsen@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          11 months ago

          Chicago people can never believe that anything they have could possibly exist anywhere else, or, even worse, have pre-existed the Chicago version, which is usually exactly the same or slightly worse.

          You can observe this in the wild; just start doing literally anything with a person from Chicago and at some point they will stop and mention “this is nice, but in Chicago we have…” and then go on to describe the same thing.

        • NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social
          42·
          11 months ago

          No it’s not.

          I have had pizza all over the us and Chicago thin crust is different than just a regular hand tossed

  • t3h_fool@lemmy.worldEnglish
    342·
    11 months ago

    I do get pretty tired of food snobbery. Try it! You might like it! Worst thing that happens is you don’t eat it again.

      • JimVanDeventer@lemmy.worldEnglish
        81·
        11 months ago

        I tried fried caterpillars in Zambia. Despite a bit of hesitation, they were tastier than I expected. People tried to tell me they are full of brain controlling parasites, bla, bla, bla, but I would just like to say that it is perfectly safe for all your world leaders to eat them.

  • Zoolander@lemmy.worldEnglish
    29·
    11 months ago

    The only places I’ve heard of that have the balls to speak their names in proximity to NYC and Chicago are Detroit and New Haven, CT.

    Detroit Pizza is fucking great, especially with extra sauce and I haven’t had New Haven pizza but have been told it’s too big of a range to say that it’s all good pizza.

    • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.worldEnglish
      51·
      11 months ago

      Why’s everyone snubbing St. Louis?

      Also, what’s New Haven pizza supposed to be? Hot honey? Fuck off with that shit

      • BigilusDickilus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        11 months ago

        New Haven is generally thin crispy crust cooked in a coal oven and a bit charred on top. Basically a NYC pie cooked in a hotter oven. They might do the sauce a bit different, IDK.

    • GunValkyrie@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      11 months ago

      Frank Pepe’s (located in New Haven, CT) is easily the best pizza. I haven’t had a slice in New York that can beat it.

        • MidRomney@lemmy.worldEnglish
          31·
          11 months ago

          Nothing, it’s mediocre af.

          I’ve had dollar slices in the Bronx that beat Frank Pepe’s in quality.

            • MidRomney@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              11 months ago

              It’s floppy, dry (like not enough sauce), and the crust is too thick. I’d rate the sauce itself, but there wasn’t enough on my pizza to give it a proper rating.

          • Zoolander@lemmy.worldEnglish
            5·
            11 months ago

            Why? You neither made a case against Frank’s nor for Zuppardis. Based on your reply, I don’t think I want to touch any place you might go to.

            • Plum@lemmy.worldEnglish
              4·
              11 months ago

              Frank Pepe and Sally’s have the same general dry floury carbonized crust which some people will fight to the death over. I prefer an olive oil crust, without the black charred air pockets. It’s all preference.

  • SirSamuel@lemmy.worldEnglish
    29·
    11 months ago

    I live in Ohio and have no idea what Ohio-valley style Pizza is. Is that a thing? Is this a joke? Am I a joke to you? (I mean, it’s justifiable. I live in Ohio after all)

      • MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@kbin.social
        30·
        11 months ago

        The pizza is known for its distinctive cold toppings which are added after the pizza is cooked. It was nicknamed “The Poor Man’s Cheesecake” in the 1940s. In 2018, DiCarlo said he did not remember why the pizza was originally prepared that way but speculated that it may have been to avoid burning the toppings. The style became a part of local cuisine in Ohio and West Virginia, and was replicated by several other chains. However, its method of preparation is polarizing, and it has been negatively compared to Lunchables.

        🤣😂🤣

      • hperrin@lemmy.worldEnglish
        19·
        11 months ago

        It looks like if an adult was banned from buying Lunchables pizza, but still wanted that same disappointment.

      • witheyeandclaw@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        11 months ago

        Never heard of Steubenville, but I’m going to blame this war crime on the people of Pittsburgh nearby. That sounds like some Pittsburgh bullshit.

      • captainlezbian@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        11 months ago

        Ok that looks terrible especially compared to the Dayton style that’s right nearby.

        Steubenville has produced nothing but disappointment and tragedy

      • tiredofsametab@kbin.social
        1·
        11 months ago

        It oddly reminds me of something I had in Florence, Italy in the late '90s. I didn’t speak Italian more than enough to order food (though I could get by in French for the most part for the simple interactions I was doing), so I don’t know exactly what it was, but it looked like what is in that wiki. I grew up in Ohio but never had that style (which I think is more in the eastern part of the state).

    • Bonehead@kbin.social
      7·
      11 months ago

      But when does it become pizza? Is it pizza when you roll out the dough, or is it only pizza when it comes out of the oven?

    • CaptPretentious@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      11 months ago

      I used to think that, until I went to Chicago. Took the Chicago Pizza Tour, 12/10 I recommend. Each pizza was different and amazing. And the history lesson that came with it was just the extra credit that push it over the top.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldEnglish
    263·
    11 months ago

    St. Louis-style pizza is one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever eaten.

    The style has a thin cracker-like crust made without yeast, generally uses Provel cheese, and is cut into squares or rectangles instead of wedges.

    …

    Provel is a trademark for a combination of three cheeses (provolone, Swiss, and white cheddar) used instead of (or, rarely, in addition to) the mozzarella or provolone common to other styles of pizza.

    …

    Some of the sauces have a sweetness to them

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis–style_pizza

    Oh dear god it’s awful.

    • negativeyoda@lemmy.worldEnglish
      91·
      11 months ago

      Born and raised in StL. Can confirm. The worst part about the cheese is that it’s … sticky. It never quite congeales after you melt it so you get weird, greasy, molten shit stuck to the roof of your mouth

    • Daxtron2@startrek.websiteEnglish
      41·
      11 months ago

      I was expecting a rectangular pizza cut into squares which would make sense. Jesus Christ they really saw a circle and said, squares are the perfect way to cut this!

      • COASTER1921@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        11 months ago

        I assure you it is much, much worse than dominos. It’s like making a pizza with Cheez Wiz instead of real cheese. Considering the ingredients of provel cheese are all nice on their own is quite the feat.

        This is certainly a distinct style of pizza, as much difference as Chicago style is from New York. Unlike with those I have no idea how anyone thought this was a good idea.

  • Stamau123@lemmy.worldEnglish
    23·
    11 months ago

    ‘Colorado’ style is basically made in only one chain, Beau Joes, but it’s pretty good. Super-sized ‘Mountain Crust’ eaten with honey.

  • Mr_Blott@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3514·
    11 months ago

    I sincerely hope the Italians are asleep and don’t see any of the fuckin grease-abortions in this thread 😂

    Pizza is a flatbread, not a fuckin coronary

    • ricecake@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      318·
      11 months ago

      Pizza is a multinational dish made in a variety of places by a variety of people with a variety of recipes.

      If the dish never changed, then it doesn’t even get tomatoes on it because those were brought to Europe after the first pizza was invented.

      Italian food snobbery is the most confusing, since a lot of their key ingredients weren’t even brought to the country until comparatively recently.
      And it discounts all the actual Italians who left Italy and went other places as not making Italian food.
      And also the people in other parts of Italy, since they actually have a lot of different variants on the dish, even in Italy.

      • Soggy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        161·
        11 months ago

        Italian snobbery isn’t surprising at all, it’s a deeply conservative country. Steadfast adherence to cultural norms is the predictable behavior of a state with a strong religious backbone. They won’t even stop electing actual fascists (a true Italian invention.)

        • KevonLooney@lemm.eeEnglish
          8·
          11 months ago

          Italy is weird because their greatest food contributions were created by poor people. Pizza, pasta, and lasagna were created to stretch the tiny amount of meat people could afford.

          And almost all of the people who left the country were poor. So the actual creators of the original foods left and their descendants created new varieties. Now the richer descendants who were able to stay in Italy want to say these foods are not “correct”.

    • Ricky Rigatoni@lemm.eeEnglish
      139·
      11 months ago

      Pizza was invented in america. The food the italians call pizza is just a defective prototype.

  • YeetPics@mander.xyzEnglish
    202·
    11 months ago

    Trying new things is for LOSERS

    All my homies live like the cave-dwellers from Plato’s allegory of the cave.

  • iAvicenna@lemmy.worldEnglish
    248·
    11 months ago

    it is more sad when people think that what they eat in NY or Chicago is the real pizza

  • Sagifurius@lemm.eeEnglish
    14·
    11 months ago

    However, Detroit, Connecticut, Regina, Greek and a few others are excellent.