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As a kid, I was targeted by one of the local churches that some of my family members attended at the time. Apparently at some point in early grade school, some of my school peers who went to that church informed the pastor that I believe in evolution. From then on, adults from that church and kids I went to school with coordinated in tandem to ridicule and isolate me – a literal child.
Far too many of these people are evil to their core. If they’ll harass and intimidate other peoples’ children, they’ll surely cross any other boundary. It’s not even about being unintelligent, so many are simply willfully ignorant.
I went into an Orthodox church as a child with my dad, I’m really tall so I looked grown despite being 12 I guess. I was walking out and evidently you’re supposed to face the altar and cross yourself as you leave, walking backwards so your back isn’t to the church. I didn’t do that and this lady freaked the fuck out, grabbed me by the ear and dragged me back into the church screaming about respect. My dad was just standing there laughing at me. She yelled for a good 10 mins. Made me leave properly, including not crossing myself “like the Catholics”, then left. I only knew that way because I’d been in the States up until then and only visited one Catholic church with a friend lol. It scared me so much that I get emotional flashbacks, complete with anxiety attacks, any time I enter a church now. It gave me lifelong fear of religion and churches. I don’t understand how an adult can think this is in any way helping.
I’m part of some “Flat Earth Debate” groups because I love talking about physics
They are definitely out there and it does not matter what reality says because they claim that’s “man” and man never knows better than God
I’m telling you, you could put these people on a rocket, blast them into space, push them out into space with no space suit so they can see the round spinning “water ball” with their own un-filtered eyes and moments before their head froze in the vacuum of space their last thought would be, “the devil has taken my eyes”
Thia people vote and drive and hold office. Every day it’s harder to not fall into misanthropy
Oh god, there are soo many easy ways out of a literal interpretation of the bible…time isn’t the same for God, etc.
Lead can’t exist in a 7000 year timeframe…
Hand-waving it all away is their superpower. Hon, with “The Lord™”, all things are possible. Even lead in a 7,000 year time frame.
Not to mention that most of them consider science to be suspicious and wouldn’t have even the remotest idea of what lead has to do with anything. Even if you tried to explain it like you’d explain to a 5 year old, they would not get it. Partially because they aren’t capable, but partially because they don’t want to get it.
I like next-Tuesdayism. The universe will be created next Tuesday, in the exact state it will be then. What you think you’re experiencing now is the false memory that will have existed once the universe exists.
Your christian perspective is skewed. You should re-align it with the real, existing world.
Technically, neither side can prove our experiential realities are procedurally generated because for all we know CERN is the equivalent of Mario and Luigi smashing Bob-ombs together. Meditation leads to some insights though, such as how important intention is in the entanglement process of the mind. Whether this entanglement process is Karma and results in the procedural generation of each of our realities is up for debate, and personally I don’t want to debate someone who won’t do their own experiments to know what I’m talking about.
for a second there I thought this was an atheist saying that the cave guide was spouting info from a religious perspective and therefore the information was wrong.
how disappointing.
Had to read it twice too
I grew up in a religious sect that believed this. I was a young earth Creationist but never bought into the 6-7,000 year age of earth variety. That seemed obviously forced to me. I didn’t think the genealogies proved much of anything because they aren’t internally consistent . I also believed in evolution, just not as a theory of origin.
That said, even as someone who could accept a 20,000 year age of earth, I never felt the need to interrupt others in public. I recognized it wasn’t going to convince anyone and was just a dick move. I think most Creationists also view these people as weird assholes.
I think creationists are weird arseholes who just keep their shit quiet when they know they are outnumbered
They get plenty mouthy when they feel bold enough
Because they’re stupid, and ignorant, and incredibly insecure (because they know they’re stupid) when they hear intelligent people talk of things that are beyond their understanding
I think similar thoughts toward those who harbor these opinions about Creationists.
40% of Americans are Creationists. If they were all as you say, these things would happen to all of us all day, every day. But they don’t because most Creationists are capable of nuanced thinking and don’t stereotype everyone who disagrees with them.
What’s more… The age of the earth is never mentioned in the Bible. They just counted the years roughly using the genealogies in the various books.
These people just believe what they’re told by the clergy of whatever version of Christianity they aspire to.
A Bishop and their sheep.
Maybe we should start reviewing churches the same way: Nice church but the guy at the front was talking funny about his imaginary friend… Only two stars.
Lol the stained glass was beautiful but they hate gays here
The priest clearly doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Matthew 6:5-6 states “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.”. One star for not obeying the Bible.
You are not wrong but Jesus wasn’t against group prayer, he intended on building a church a few pages later
Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
You should have referenced a couple of pages after that where he has something direct to say about preachers
Matthew 23:8-12
“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. The greatest among you will be your servant. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
Jesus had some pretty rad opinions even if his reasoning was often flaky
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
Peter was demonstrably a superstitious idiot throughout the gospels. Jesus was just letting us all know what kind of people would be in charge of the organized religions with his name on them.
Matthean Jesus is cut your balls off for god levels of wild.
I’m not sure one can just pick lines out of random Gospels as ‘what Jesus said’, the US got really weird with that a while back with a red letter 4 gospel meme thing going viral.
I’m not sure one can just pick lines out of random Gospels as ‘what Jesus said’,
That’s literally how Christianity works. I don’t know of any denomination that follows the entire Bible exactly. It’s not even possible because the text is self-contradictory in places.
contradiction kinda the point, there’s four gospels even just in the mainline canon
if one can’t cope with contradictions there is little point in even attempting to approach scripture
Meme? I’ve got a red letter Bible from the 70s.
Red letters bibles were meme’ing hard in the US before the 1970’s but the 70’s is where memetics pops up as a theory afair.
A bit like apples were falling before Newton figured out it’s because we live in a clockwork universe.
Yes, sure, he’s a little flaky. But God is just so perfect, all loving, and timeless…
Exodus 21:20-21:
Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
Don’t forget the slavery.
And the incest
This right here. If you’re going to post a review of a church, review them based on how their actions conflict with what they claim to believe.
More importantly, if your faith is having an effect on policy… guess what, your religion must now start paying taxes.
Why should the rest of us pay for your idiotic ideas that are now turning into policy and law.
That would gladly pay the taxes if it means they get to force their religion on people. They already openly.defy election law by endorsing candidates and "vote yes on prop 66” statements during services, inviting prosecution because they expect to win in court.
I mean, if people understand “no taxation without representation” well, then logically: “no representation without taxation” should be equally easy to get behind.
They are already in our politics, may as well get them to pay for that privilege.
Well … I’d enforce the separation.
when people flat out refuse to consider facts, evidence, reality in forming their worldview, then the only thing left is mockery and ridicule, lest other people buy into the stupid bullshit
religion is a fucking cancer on the human species–it’s causing preventable deaths (“nO iNsULiN fOr BaBy!!! PRAYING WILL FIX IT”), and it’s long past time for it to be relegated to the embarrassing/shameful/fucking asinine drawer of history files
Now remember: These people are still allowed to vote…
And worse they exist in sufficient numbers for political parties wanting to cater to their views and ideas, changing the political landscape. Influencing policies, law making.
(This is a pretty echoey comment I guess)
They captured the religious racists in the south with the “Southern strategy” then Jerry Falwell captured the “religious” right with his anti-abortion message. From there we slithered into the Republican utopia of corporate dictatorship, poverty, ignorance and unaffordability.
echo “In fact, sometimes you get the impression they’re the only ones who vote.” echo “” > this.nation
“God put those fossils there to test our faith!”
Always gets me.
They’d sooner believe that their god would lie to them rather than that they’re wrong.
Wait. If God lies to you, is it blasphemy to call Him out on it?
Not to them, their god lies to SCIENTISTS and not THEM! They know better than to follow the false breadcrumbs left by their almighty.
Religion is indeed a plague on humanity.
The problem is they turn the ridicule around to “confirm” their beliefs and push themselves further in.
Cult behavior
The sad thing is that even mockery probably won’t help much, because this type of person, unfortunately, defends their ignorance with the very same, utterly idiotic strategy that allows those who control them to shield their outrageous nonsense from rational arguments: They convince their deluded followers that they belong to “the select few” who know the truth—“the enlightened”, or whatever they call themselfs. Thus, they proudly flaunt their absurd ignorance, paying no heed to arguments or ridicule, since they are genuinely convinced that they are the only ones who cannot be deceived.
However, these people cannot—and, above all, do not want to—realize that the deception lies precisely in their leaders’ strategy, for that would mean, of course, that they have wasted half their lives on some charlatan who has not only shamelessly exploited them but has also made them the laughingstock of society. Their idiocy is an integral part of their self-image and their personality, which is why turning away from it often means turning away from everything by which they define themselves - and that surely is a hard thing to do.
These are the typical tactics used by cult leaders. Unfortunately, there is an frighteningly high number of people who are susceptible to them—and not just in matters of religion, as the MAGA cult makes abundantly clear: It operates according to the same logic—an in-group is formed and sworn to the cult leaders’ goals, with the immediate understanding that rationality must be replaced by slavish faith in the leader or some kind of promise of salvation, because otherwise the cult members would, of course, immediately see through all the crude lies.
It’s truly amazing that even in an age when almost everyone carries the entirety of human knowledge in their pocket, it still works, but unfortunately, the internet also has the effect of bringing like-minded people together in their absurd worldview, as is the case with Truth Social, for example—though the name of this deranged platform already makes it very obvious that it is a tool designed precisely and exclusively to fulfill the aforementioned cult tactics.
Edit: Of course, you’re still absolutely right: scorn and contempt are the only things one can show toward people like this—they themselves are probably beyond redemption anyway, but openly rejecting them makes it harder for them to recruit new members for their cult. These people should be treated for what they are: a danger to society, even if they themselves are often nothing more than foot soldiers who may even be unwittingly advancing the interests of their evil masters.
It’s probably corny to reference Star Wars here but Andor really nailed it with the Mon Mothma speech when she said the distance between what’s said in the senate and known to be true has become an abyss and that the loss of an objective reality was perhaps the most dangerous thing to risk in a democracy. There is no common ground to have with these nutjobs because every time you offer them an inch, they’ll ask for a mile more.
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Of course it can be! Where is your faith? God’s ways are unfathomable!
I have been told that their god made time move at different rates, just because, and that’s why it’s different according to physics vs their fairytale
It’s wild that some people do genuinely believe the earth is only 6000 years old.
There are human-made artefacts you can go look at in a museum right now, potentially even touch with your own hands, that are older than 6000 years old.
Even if you refused to accept other archaeological evidence, recorded human history goes back about 10000 years. So are those 4000 years worth of humans just non-existent?((Edit - @Danquebec@sh.itjust.works is kinda right. The very earliest of proto-writing, for when one could even argue that recorded history begins, is around 6000-6600 years ago. So that actually would be within the Christian faith timeline, but just barely. And I seriously doubt the Christians had these people in mind as their earliest ancestors.))
Like it really must take some proper mental gymnastics to deny something you can see with your own eyes and say some demon made it all up specifically to fuck with Christians.
Humanity in 6k years would be quite the speedrun at a humorous glance.
Any other perspective arguing this is absolute lunacy.
Exactly. By the time you get to 6500 years ago, humanity has already been doing settlements and agriculture that we have archeological evidence of for 1000s of years.
Judging from the estimated timeline of humanity, 6500 years wouldn’t even be long enough for us to migrate beyond the hunter-gatherer system and stone tools.
Our ancestors had 100,000s of years, and we only got to settlements and agriculture maybe 10-20K years ago.
Also mind biological changes aren’t really quick (but sometimes spontaneous, yes) and even I can now talk about things that happened in two different centuries. So a few thousand years aren’t even that much generations (even if you count shorter lifespan but that is mostly a statistical thing due to high death rate of babies).
Recorded human history doesn’t go back 10’000 years. It’s closer to 5000 years.
You’re very much right. Complex writing systems like we have now begin around 4000-5000 years ago. You can get closer to the right number with proto-writing systems, but unfortunately just barely within what the Christian faith allows.
I guess the Christians can take the W on that one, discounting all over physical evidence of humanity’s existence beyond 6500 years ago.
“I do not understand,” reads an ancient line of pictographs depicting the sun, the moon, water, and a Sumerian who appears to be scratching his head. “A booming voice is saying, ’Let there be light,’ but there is already light. It is saying, ’Let the earth bring forth grass,’ but I am already standing on grass.”
“Everything is here already,” the pictograph continues. “We do not need more stars.”
(thank you for sharing the link. i hadn’t read that one yet and it’s very good <3)
Quite easy to explain: 6000-6500 years ago, when god created the world, it put those things there during the creation process for… reasons.
Checkmate atheists!
Because he’s a trickster! Haha! And if you fall for one of his tricks, he sends you to hell! For eternity!
The sanest worldview.
No, you see, the devil, who is a trickster and definitely not the same entity as God, created those fake artifacts to own the libs
And God, all-powerful and in control of everything, just let him do it. He could stop the devil but he just…doesn’t.
Somebody’s gotta give these babies cancer.
It seemed so plausible!
So when someone complains like this, you ask them if they are saying God can’t create 300 million year old caves when he created the world?
This is just last-thursdayism with extra steps
It’s to test the belief of christians of course.
We’ve found 28,000 year old dildos.
To be clear, yes there are sex toys older than Christians think the world is old.
Around 1400 AD, the word “dildo” was first used. It derives from the Latin word “dilatare,” which means “open wide,” and the Italian word “diletto,” which means “delight.”
Well, that is definitely something I hadn’t read before
It’s my favorite argument against young earth creationists. 28k year old dildo, your argument is invalid.
In North Africa 40,000 years old tools have been found as well
There is also hand stencil art in places like Indonesia and Australia from 67,800 years ago
And as I understand it, the aboriginese can actually “read” the stensils and paintings. A continuous culture over 40k years old…
It would be like we could read and understand the Lascaux Cave paintings like modern signs. And they are freshly painted compared to the Australian stuff at a mere 20k years old.
This does not get the attention it deserves
Like it really must take some proper mental gymnastics to deny something you can see with your own eyes and say some demon made it all up specifically to fuck with Christians.
Well, you can’t see the age of a thing. And young-earth creationists certainly don’t understand how we know the ages of things. So instead, they believe what they’re told by people they trust, and those people say shit like “were you there?”
And honestly, my response (if it ever comes up) will be this: “Yes. I was there. I am God. I was there before there was. I formed this world from nothing. I am your God. Worship me.” And if they question any of that, I will respond with “WERE YOU THERE?!! CUZ I FUCKING WAS!!! AND I SURE AS HELL DIDN’T SEE YOU THERE!!!” followed by “PROVE ME WRONG”
Thank you, have a nice day/night <3
We can count tree rings to 12000 years ago with our eyeballs. You don’t even need any fancy tools.
For a lot of people, science is just a matter of believing in something someone tells you, no different from religion…
While that is a valid argument for someone to make, I’d counter by saying that science is fundamentally built on the idea of empiricism and falsifiability.
With enough time, money, and the right equipment you could theoretically retrace every discovery science has ever made, from the stone age to the modern day Dr. Stone style.
Whereas the same really cannot be said for Religion. You can’t test for God. You can’t discover a miracle. There’s no hard evidence, only belief.
Now try explaining that to someone who thinks science is a matter of belief. Spoilers: they will stop paying attention after you say “empiricism and falsifiability”.
Well I’m pretty sure you can boil ALL science down to a simple equation. 1 + 1 = 2. Then science is built up from that. Until 1 + 1 isn’t equal to 2, I’ll go ahead and trust in science.
The author of that review also doesn’t know how to use punctuation.
“They gave inaccurate information from a Christian perspective,” is most straightforwardly read as if the person giving the information is Christian.
Whereas, “They gave inaccurate information, from a Christian perspective,” is what they meant, that the receiver of the information is Christian.
The Venn Diagram of People who believe a literal interpretation of the Bible & People who don’t know how to write well, is pretty much a circle within a circle.
That makes me think. Has there ever been a person who actually wrote a lot of fiction, like a novelist or something, who read the Bible and didn’t see signs that the authors were mostly either making shit up or retelling a story that they heard? Like, if it really was the inspired word of God, like God is just whispering in people’s ears, you’d think an author would sense something unusual or different about the quality of the writing, but it’s really no different from any old shit that some human might write.
So, it may in fact be that the only people who can believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible are people who cannot write well. Once you learn to write well, you lose the ability to believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible. Well, that ignores the real problem of compartmentalization, but it’s an interesting idea, I think.
that immediately annoyed me as well. I was ready to discount this person’s opinion before I even finished reading it.
Yeah, I had originally read it as if the tour guide was giving incorrect information, like by using religious terminology instead of B.C.E./C.E.
What if the tour guide says “300 million B.C.E.”?
lol, in my defense I had that thought after only reading the first 2 sentences, and I could see a cave tour including information like “This cave was discovered in <year> B.C.E./C.E.” But “300 million B.C.E.” would certainly get me to literally laugh out loud if a cave tour guide said that.
Yeah that confused me, but it didn’t annoy me until you pointed it out lol.
